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[insan]

Insan you are a Turkish Cypriot and you know best .......


Eroglu

He added: “This isn’t for just any kind of peace; we are trying to find a solution that won’t bypass Turkey’s best interests

But what do i know am a mere Greek speaking Cypriot who thinks TC's in general are getting a raw deal because Turkish interests comes first. But then again it is impossible for you to imagine that someone could want all Cypriots to live equally. Would you like me highlight other sentnces within the 5 paragraph article where he talks more about Turkey's interest rather than TC interests

Actually, humanist; there isn't much difference between the interests of Turkey and TCs... However, this does not mean we don't care about the interests of GCs or other's interests that we have or should have bilateral/multifaceted relations to various extends... I'm not so sure about what's in the mind of Eroğlu and his active supporters but as far as i know vast majority of TCs who are aware of what's what; wish a solution that will serve, to various extends the interests of all concerned parties in a balanced way...

Eroğlu, in his speech made a nonsense when concluding about why Cyprus problem wasn't solved and the GC obstacle in front of Turkey...

He put forth 2 reasons to explain why Cyprus peoblem hadn't been resolved and then concluded that any solution plan should serve the interests of Turkey...

He could make it clearer and more intelligible by explaining it with details...

Humanist, GCs must acknowledge that TCs and Turkey have common interests because of various reasons...

1- Political solidarity against all unjust global plans of some global and regional world powers regarding middle east and caucauses... Such an interest conflict/debate in and around our region is highly possible in a very near future... Don't forget that Greeks and GCs have fairly good relations and common interests with almost all the "enemies" of Turkey... The "enemies" of Turkey have various interests and destructive ideals on Turkey... For a long time, they have been supporting your cause and if one day you get what you aspire in Cyprus; you would be asked to support them to get what they aspire from Turkey... You personally might be against such political relations that were intended to destroy the ROT but could not be even one iota helpful to stop them harrass and destroy RoT and her people... and the issue is not only ROT but whole middle east and caucauses...


2- Ancestral ties... this is a very well known fact...

[Me Ed]

So what exactly is the RoC negotiating here?

Is the RoC negotiating a solution for Cyprus or Turkeys EU membership.

Either Turkey is stupid or is attempting to have its cake and eat it going for the jackpot of retaining the occupied area AND EU membership.

Turkey its simple: concentrate on either constructively solving the Cyprus problem, or better still keep out of things that do not concern you and let the Cypriots sort it amongst themselves and EU membership will follow ...

[insan]

So what exactly is the RoC negotiating here?

Is the RoC negotiating a solution for Cyprus or Turkeys EU membership.

Either Turkey is stupid or is attempting to have its cake and eat it going for the jackpot of retaining the occupied area AND EU membership.

Turkey its simple: concentrate on either constructively solving the Cyprus problem, or better still keep out of things that do not concern you and let the Cypriots sort it amongst themselves and EU membership will follow ...

Cyprus problem and it's solution has nothing directly to do with Turkey's EU membership in it's essential...

Even if Turkey lets TCs, TCs don't let Turkey to go... and you very well know why...

[boomerang]

So what exactly is the RoC negotiating here?

Is the RoC negotiating a solution for Cyprus or Turkeys EU membership.

Either Turkey is stupid or is attempting to have its cake and eat it going for the jackpot of retaining the occupied area AND EU membership.

Turkey its simple: concentrate on either constructively solving the Cyprus problem, or better still keep out of things that do not concern you and let the Cypriots sort it amongst themselves and EU membership will follow ...

Cyprus problem and it's solution has nothing directly to do with Turkey's EU membership in it's essential...

Even if Turkey lets TCs, TCs don't let Turkey to go... and you very well know why...

edit...
never mind out of respect for "costa"...

cheers
ahmat the sebriod

[humanist]

Insan .... thank you for a great post ..... However, what am hearing of it is that TC's aren't willing to let go of their ties with Turkey as we have with Greece. In any case the more you side with Turkey the more difficult it will be to find a solution for the Cypriots by the Cypriots. It appears to me we have to people's to negotiate Turks and TC's.

The rest is covered well in Me Ed's comments above.

Think about it clearly ......... the EU will not recognise the 'trnc" knowing very well that you will either align yourselves with Turkey or annex yourselves with Turkey. It is in the best interest of the EU that either Turkey joins the club or she is at least 40 miles away ..... rather than a border separating her from its territory.

Like I said you have chosen Eroglu, you have made your decision and therefore I personally have no empathy with how long it takes you to get what you want. I think the longer a decision is delayed this will be detrimental to the TC community.

As someone who believes in cultural heritage ... I think Cyprus is unique in that it has the TC and GC influence and it will be ashame to see homogeneous communities on either side of the divide.

The other obstacle to the 'trnc' getting recognition is the fact that you cannot be in the EU and have different laws applying to GC's as European citizens and their rights to settle where ever, and have different rights for the English for example, who are currently given more rights than GC's racism based on ethnic lines will not be accepted by the EU and all your proposals thus far are based on racist values.

[Viewpoint]

humanist

Insan .... thank you for a great post ..... However, what am hearing of it is that TC's aren't willing to let go of their ties with Turkey as we have with Greece. In any case the more you side with Turkey the more difficult it will be to find a solution for the Cypriots by the Cypriots. It appears to me we have to people's to negotiate Turks and TC's.

Please ask yourself why we side with Turkey? and how the isolation you support so much actually means thats you are cutting your noses off despite your face.

Think about it clearly ......... the EU will not recognise the 'trnc" knowing very well that you will either align yourselves with Turkey or annex yourselves with Turkey. It is in the best interest of the EU that either Turkey joins the club or she is at least 40 miles away ..... rather than a border separating her from its territory.

You cleearly do not know the dynamics of the EU, we are not push for recognition only a relaxation of the isolation on the north so that we may endevour to stand on our own two feet and be less dependent on financial support from Turkey, but this you GCs oppose.

Like I said you have chosen Eroglu, you have made your decision and therefore I personally have no empathy with how long it takes you to get what you want. I think the longer a decision is delayed this will be detrimental to the TC community.

We are here for the long haul and if that means assimilation with Turkey then so be it the alternative is unthinkable, never forget that we are not just Cypriots but also have Turkish origins the last 37 years have seen a change in the majority of TCs they are more Turkish that they are Cypriots and this trend will continue, we accepted this in 1974. So seeing we are resigned to our fate this leeaves you our in the cold with only 63% of the island and no one to negotiate with, is that what you really want?

As someone who believes in cultural heritage ... I think Cyprus is unique in that it has the TC and GC influence and it will be ashame to see homogeneous communities on either side of the divide.

Get used to it because with the cuurent mindset on both sides of the divide thats where we are headed.

The other obstacle to the 'trnc' getting recognition is the fact that you cannot be in the EU and have different laws applying to GC's as European citizens and their rights to settle where ever, and have different rights for the English for example, who are currently given more rights than GC's racism based on ethnic lines will not be accepted by the EU and all your proposals thus far are based on racist values.

Laws are made by man and not set in stone they can be changed overnight if need be, but there is no need as there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

[humanist]

VP am not very god with setting up the pages like you have.

however, I think its sad that you think there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

Vp I know why you sided with Turkey. However, Turkey has moved on and you haven't.

Yes I support the embargoes because I believe what has transpired in Cyprus is wrong. People have the right to their properties and their Country and the right to be free in their country to settle where ever they wish. Whilst you deny them this right with by inviting 40,000 Turkish soldiers then I support the embargoes as they are. When that changes my views will change also.

[Viewpoint]

VP am not very god with setting up the pages like you have.

however, I think its sad that you think there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

Vp I know why you sided with Turkey. However, Turkey has moved on and you haven't.

Yes I support the embargoes because I believe what has transpired in Cyprus is wrong. People have the right to their properties and their Country and the right to be free in their country to settle where ever they wish. Whilst you deny them this right with by inviting 40,000 Turkish soldiers then I support the embargoes as they are. When that changes my views will change also.

Humanist you cannot see further than the end of your nose as long as you support embargoes on the TCs there will be no solution as the North is financially depedent on Turkey. Now do you understand where you are going wrong it is people like you who do not question their own actions and just follow the official line that will make sure that there will never be any light at the end of the tunnel. Your actions only reconfirm timeand time again that GCs are not to be trusted and they will treat us like second class citizens the fist opportunity they get if we allow them.

You will only get what you seek when you have seen the light that should be at the end of the tunnel, you have continued with your current mindset for over 50 years, what has it got you? a divided island yet you still continue with the same mentality that will ensure division is made permanent, why not chnage this and take measures to win the TCs over and allow them the freedom to break away from Turkey financially and stnad on their own two feet so that Turkeys influence is reduced to a minimum which wil in turn help TCs understand that GCs also have their best interests at heart and can be trusted therefore demanding less to accomadate GCs concerns. I hope you a little wiser now as to why the current GC mentality will never yield results.

[humanist]

I can say the same about you VP and your occupation of people's homes and thinking its okay.

President Christofias has made a proposal in relation to Famagusta, I think the task now is for Eroglu to review it made suggestions about the mechanics of who will be able to put an expression of interest in the rebuilding process. I believe that perhaps is knocked back because a Greek Cypriot suggested it. Anyway that's my take on the matter.

Am sorry VP I disagree with your comments about tunnel vision. I have just shown you a proposal that will move the unification talks the right way, both communities benefiting. The current situation which I support isn't helping anyone. Unless of course its all Rhetoric, that the Cypriot community wants to solve the issue in Cyprus and that of Turkish Occupation. But you have your opinion and am happy to accept it.

VP the same way GC's aren't trusted in this circumstance the TC's aren't trusted. We have put a proposal forward that can work if you allow it. Your leader speaks of Turkish interests and Turkish path. We aren't agreeing with that but we have a way forward.

Your second sentence is covered in my post. There is a proposal forward. Look at it make recommendations agree and lets get started rebuilding the nation.

[Viewpoint]

humanist

I can say the same about you VP and your occupation of people's homes and thinking its okay.

You were the bully and got bullied, the situation did not manifest itself.

President Christofias has made a proposal in relation to Famagusta, I think the task now is for Eroglu to review it made suggestions about the mechanics of who will be able to put an expression of interest in the rebuilding process. I believe that perhaps is knocked back because a Greek Cypriot suggested it. Anyway that's my take on the matter.

What proposals? please clarify.

Am sorry VP I disagree with your comments about tunnel vision. I have just shown you a proposal that will move the unification talks the right way, both communities benefiting. The current situation which I support isn't helping anyone. Unless of course its all Rhetoric, that the Cypriot community wants to solve the issue in Cyprus and that of Turkish Occupation. But you have your opinion and am happy to accept it.

Where are your proposals lets read them again please post.

VP the same way GC's aren't trusted in this circumstance the TC's aren't trusted. We have put a proposal forward that can work if you allow it. Your leader speaks of Turkish interests and Turkish path. We aren't agreeing with that but we have a way forward.

You have every right not to trust us yet you deny me this right, why? where are these proposals that will work?

Your second sentence is covered in my post. There is a proposal forward. Look at it make recommendations agree and lets get started rebuilding the nation

Again what are you referring to?