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Even back then (1978) the RoC was denying Makarios ever making such stupid statements that Denktash was manufacturing...

I have the honour to refer to the recent debate on the
question on Cyprus and to inform you that it was with great
astonishment that I heard Mr. Rolandis categorically deny,yesterday,
that Archbishop Makarios had made the statement which
H.E. Mr. Orhan Eralp, the Representative of Turkey, had mentioned
in his address to the General Assembly, viz:

[insan]

Even back then (1978) the RoC was denying Makarios ever making such stupid statements that Denktash was manufacturing...

I have the honour to refer to the recent debate on the
question on Cyprus and to inform you that it was with great
astonishment that I heard Mr. Rolandis categorically deny,yesterday,
that Archbishop Makarios had made the statement which
H.E. Mr. Orhan Eralp, the Representative of Turkey, had mentioned
in his address to the General Assembly, viz:

john akritas said...

Prom. I still can't see the significance of this point you're making about Makarios signing the Zurich-London agreements. It is obvious that Makarios – and others from our side – thought that the 1959 constitution was not a final solution and that we would continue with our struggle for self-determination/enosis. Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots had the same attitude to Zurich-London – that it was an interim solution that they would use to work towards partition. Thus, no one – maybe only Karamanlis, glad to be rid of the Cyprus problem – who signed Zurich-London believed in these agreements, which wouldn't be the first time this has happened with an international treaty.

And Makarios would have felt that the alternative to signing Zurich-London would have been an imposed partition, as the British had warned. As I pointed out in a previous comment above regarding the Greek government position, Karamanlis had told Makarios in no uncertain terms that if he didn't sign then Greece would no longer support Cyprus. Nevertheless, there were those – Tassos Papadopoulos, Vassos Lyssarides – who advised Makarios not to sign. It should also be stressed that Zurich and London were secretly negotiated between Greece, Turkey and the UK – with no Cypriot input – and this would also have encouraged Greek Cypriots to believe that these treaties didn't reflect their will.

And just to make clear how Makarios continued to believe in enosis and what he thought enosis entailed, this is from a speech he made in 1971 in Yialousa – in Karpasia, which Acheson had offered to Turkey:

'Cyprus is Greek, Cyprus has been Greek since the dawn of its history, and will remain Greek. Greek and undivided we have taken it over. Greek and undivided we shall preserve it. Greek and undivided we shall deliver it to Greece.'

Or what about this in an interview with Le Point in 1973: 'I have struggled for union of Cyprus with Greece, and enosis will be always be my deep national aspiration, as it is the aspiration of all Greek Cypriots. My national creed has never changed and my career as a national leader has shown no inconsistency or contradiction.'
18 June 2009 11:29

http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/20 ... earch.html

... but John Akritas, who is a fierce admirer(as much as you) of TPapa and Makarios confirms it ...

[insan]

... and Harry Anastasiou confirms it that Makarios said what quoted by Gasman...

Harry Anastasiou

Harry Anastasiou Ph.D. is professor of International Peace and Conflict Studies in the Conflict Resolution Graduate Program and International Studies Program at Portland State University. Prior to relocating to the USA in 2002, Dr. Anastasiou was the Executive Director of the Cyprus office of the Institute of World Affairs: Office of the Eastern Mediterranean and the Middle East, 1997-2002; Academic auditor and assistant professor at the University of Nicosia, Cyprus 1998-2002; Senior Researcher in Curriculum Development and Peace Issues at the Cyprus Neuroscience and Technology Institute, Nicosia, Cyprus, 1996-2001; and adjunct professor in Social Science for the graduate program in Cyprus of Trenton State College of New York State University, 1989-1991.

Dr. Anastasiou received a Ph.D. in International Peace and Conflict Studies in 2001 from the Union Institute & University, Cincinnati, USA, a doctorandus degree in Social Science and Philosophy in 1982 from the Free University of Amsterdam, Holland, an M.A. in the Sociology of Technology in 1979 from the University of Toronto, Canada, an M.Phil. in the Philosophy of Science and Technology in 1977 from the Institute for Christian Studies, Toronto, Canada, and a B.A. in Political Science and Philosophy in 1975 from Geneva College, Pennsylvania, USA.

Dr. Anastasiou’s academic and research endeavors center on nationalism and inter-ethnic conflict, post-nationalist conflict transformation, conflict resolution, peacebuilding, peace and democracy, conflict transformation in Cyprus, Greek-Turkish relations and the European Union. His most recent work focuses on American nationalism and peace-building challenges in US foreign policy.

He has published numerous books, book chapters and journal articles. His most recent include: The Broken Olive Branch: Nationalism, Ethnic Conflict and the Quest for Peace in Cyprus. Volume I: The Impasse of Ethnonationalism. Syracuse, New York: Syracuse University Press, 2008; The Broken Olive Branch: Nationalism, Ethnic Conflict and the Quest for Peace in Cyprus. Volume II: Nationalism versus Europeanization. Syracuse, New York: Syracuse University Press, 2008; “Encountering Nationalism: The Contribution of Peace Studies and Conflict Resolution” Chapter 2 in Dennis J. D. Sandole, Sean Byrne, Ingrid Sandole-Staroste, Jessica Senehi (Eds.) Handbook of Conflict Analysis and Resolution. New York: Routledge, 2008; “Securing Human Rights Through War and Peace: From Paradox to Opportunity” in Gail M. Presbey (Ed.) Philosophical Perspectives on the War on Terrorism. Amsterdam: Rodopi Press, the Philosophy of Peace series, 2007; “Conflict Transformation in Greek-Turkish Relations: Between Belligerent Nationalism and Conciliatory Europeanization,” Peace Studies Journal, Volume 2, Issue 1, pages 15-38, Fall 2009; “The EU as a Peace Building System: Deconstructing Nationalism in an Era of Globalization,” The International Journal of Peace Studies. 12(2), 31-50. Autumn/Winter 2008; “Nationalism as a Deterrent to Peace and Inter-Ethnic Democracy: The Failure of Nationalist Leadership From the Hague Talks to the Cyprus Referendum,” International Studies Perspectives. Vol. 8, no. 2, 190-205, 2007; “The Communication Imperative in an Era of Globalization: Beyond Conflict-Conditioned Communication,” Global Media Journal: Mediterranean Edition. Vol. 2, no. 1, 63-75, 2007; “Communication Across Conflict Lines,” Journal of Peace Research. Vol. 39, no. 5, 581-596, 2002.

http://web.pdx.edu/~harrya/Resume.html


http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=WHS ... is&f=false

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A search at Le Point reveals no such article or interview!

http://www.lepoint.fr/recherche/recherc ... X=50&C=163

Incidentally, Le Point was founded in the spring of 1972 so the chances of an unknown French magazine being granted an interview just a few months after its establishment with Makarios was zero!

Not a shred of evidence exists that Le Point magazine ever interviewed Makarios in 1973, yet one can easily find evidence of Richard Gilbert interviewing Makarios in 1964!! That's almost 10 years earlier yet evidence exists! Oriana Fallaci’s 1974 interview is also easily available on the net!

In fact, the only place you’ll find about this “interview” is in Denktash's incessant howlings to the UN that nobody else knows anything about!

[Get Real!]

Insan, your quotes of people borrowing quotes from other people who also borrowed quotes from others is…

A LOAD OF AMATEURISH RUBBISH!

[insan]

A search at Le Point reveals no such article or interview!

http://www.lepoint.fr/recherche/recherc ... X=50&C=163

Incidentally, Le Point was founded in the spring of 1972 so the chances of an unknown French magazine being granted an interview just a few months after its establishment with Makarios was zero!

Not a shred of evidence exists that Le Point magazine ever interviewed Makarios in 1973, yet one can easily find evidence of Richard Gilbert interviewing Makarios in 1964!! That's almost 10 years earlier yet evidence exists! Oriana Fallaci’s 1974 interview is also easily available on the net!

In fact, the only place you’ll find about this “interview” is in Denktash's incessant howlings to the UN that nobody else knows anything about!

Just because they don't have it in their online web database, this does not mean it does not exist...

[Get Real!]

Just because they don't have it in their online web database, this does not mean it does not exist...

NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE EXISTS!

It's a load of MANUFACTURED rubbish by the Denktash propaganda!

[insan]

Insan, your quotes of people borrowing quotes from other people who also borrowed quotes from others is…

A LOAD OF AMATEURISH RUBBISH!

A respected researcher never borrows quotes from others... Academic researchers neither need to do such thing nor dare to do it because of the risk to lose the respect they gained with their hard work on serious matters...

...besides, they are not as stupid as you to do such a mistake and blot their copybook with their own hands...

[Cossie]

Hey Guys, lets not forget the point of this topic was about the Cold War being the cause of the Problem. You can go on and on posting quotes, maybe of dubious origin or maybe not, but I am curious to see the views of other on this issue.

Ive already indicated that I think its an example of bogus reductionist thinking, assigning a single cause to a complex problem.

What do you guys think?

[insan]

... and Harry Anastasiou confirms it that Makarios said what quoted by Gasman...

Harry Anastasiou

Harry Anastasiou Ph.D. is professor of International Peace and Conflict Studies in the Conflict Resolution Graduate Program and International Studies Program at Portland State University. Prior to relocating to the USA in 2002, Dr. Anastasiou was the Executive Director of the Cyprus office of the Institute of World Affairs: Office of the Eastern Mediterranean and the Middle East, 1997-2002; Academic auditor and assistant professor at the University of Nicosia, Cyprus 1998-2002; Senior Researcher in Curriculum Development and Peace Issues at the Cyprus Neuroscience and Technology Institute, Nicosia, Cyprus, 1996-2001; and adjunct professor in Social Science for the graduate program in Cyprus of Trenton State College of New York State University, 1989-1991.

http://web.pdx.edu/~harrya/Resume.html


http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=WHS ... is&f=false

Dr. Harry Denktash, eh?