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[kurupetos]

Makarios = enosis = TC death warrant

I hope you're not a mathematician.

[wyoming cowboy]

enjoy.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go0TXuXP ... re=related

[wyoming cowboy]

The Cyprus government should base its Cyprus problem policy on the statements of the above video

[Viewpoint]

Where do these people live? why dont they keep their nose out of our business.

[repulsewarrior]

...urm, he was here, and in the thick of it.

...is it odd to you that a citizen of one of the interlocutors speaks in a manner which gives Cypriots hope?

...;or are Cypriots to be subjects to a foreign will forever?

...if this impasse stagnates to the fait accompli that exists, what does it say of the power of deep states deeper than the deep state?

[wyoming cowboy]

Where do these people live? why dont they keep their nose out of our business.

i dont see you asking turkey to keep her nose out of our business, and dont give me the usual tc/turk reply,,,,well turkey is here to protect us.....bl,ah blah blah......the tc were not in any danger and wouldnt be if the foreign powers nato would have kept their nose out of cyprus...blah blah blah

[supporttheunderdog]

This is a nice post: The cold war argument certainly has some attraction to it, as being a part of the problem, but I suspect it is only a part, and what you have to factor in is another aspect of Local real-politikmovement for what I think was termed Megali, the irredentist campaign by Greece that I understand started in the 1830's (following Greek Independence,) with the aim of incoroprating into Greece some parts of the Ottoman Empire situated mostly round the coasts of Med sea and Blcak Sea Coasts of what is Modern Turkey, which had a large Greek Speaking/Eastern Orthodox Population.

This movement was given impetuus following the end of world war one, with some Promises by the victorious allies to give Greece territory at the expense of the Ottoman Empire. (The dulicity of vthat promise is revealed by the fact that similar promises were made to Italy) In 1919 Greek Troops then occupied Smyrna/Izmir, and (so I understand it) in 1920 launched a Military campaign, which lasted until 1922 but which ended with defeat for Greece and "Ethnic Cleansing" of the Greeks in Asia Minor.

This war left a legacy of distrust between Turkey and Greece, and I suspect that this was another significant factor leading to Turkish opposition to Enosis, seen (rightly or wrongly) as a resurgence of the Megali ideal, and leaving its' southern coast unprotected.

They therefore exlpoited the situation in 1974 to invade.
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[CyprusNewsReport]

The problem in Cyprus is the result of the Cold War of the 60's and 70's...

Once the Turkish cyp side allows this fact to sink into their heads then the closer we are in reaching a solution. Taking away ones ethnicity whether its Greek or Turkish will not solve anything because the propaganda and brain feeding thats been endured by the Turkish cypriot
brain will want the Greeks to drop their religion also, and so on and so forth...

If you want a recap of history the 60's and 70's was the height of the cold war, and coincidentally the problems of Cyprus occured during these two decades. Anything and everything was used to incite these two ethnic groups on Cyprus. Turkish commandoes burning Tc mosques, The British with Major Massey training and arming Tc rebels, and the Greek Junta implanting fervent anti communist officers to lead the CNG. Not only did they lead the CNG but the junta officers who only 10-15 years before the 60's were fightning in the Greek civil war along side the Brits and Americans, and slaughtering suspected Greek communists, were forming the same organizations and military wings in Cyprus that they formed in the Greek civil war ie LOK. The LOk incidentally were the CNG army units that stormed the Presidential palace on July 15th 1974..ELDYK never took part in anything during the coup but actually stayed in their barracks until the Turkish invasion.

A description of LOK and how it was formed in Greece:

LOK squadrons were so successful against the communist insurgents that the Raider Forces Command was expanded to two brigades. Gamma Raider Squadron, also formed in 1949, was redesignated as an amphibious-capable unit in 1963, while Alpha Raider Squadron, disbanded at the end of the Civil War, was reactivated in 1968, and later re-formed as an amphibious unit in 1974, after the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.


A Z' MAK team conducting an urban assault exerciseIn the late 1960s, the Greek Central Intelligence Service (KYP), and the CIA became secretly involved with training and arming the Lokatzides. A tool of the KYP and CIA, a LOK detachment played a part in the coup d'état of 1967 by storming and securing the GES, the Army General Staff buildings at Cholargos, Athens.

Up to this day today the CNG is not under the command of a Greek Cypriot but under the command of a Nato Greek officer.. Of all the things the Turkish side complains about why have they never complained about this?

Fact George Papandreou sent into Cyprus 15000 Greek soldiers to guard against a Turkish invasion

Fact Turksih navy threatens invasion but retreats while the 15000 Greek soldiers are stationed on Cyprus

Fact Papadopoulous a Greek colonel with fervent anti communist roots overthrows Papandreou

Fact Papadopolos withdraws the 15000 Greek troops from Cyprus in 1967

Fact There are no intercommunal conflicts between the Greek cyp and Tc in 67 and until right after the invasion of Turkey in 1974

Fact Tc are beginning to return to their villages after their going into their self imposed canton

Fact Grivas is sent to Cyprus fronm Junta Greece to form Eoka B in 1971 to form EOKA B with the intent of overthrowing Makarios

Fact Makarios is supported by AKEL which represents over 40% of Cyprus' voters

Fact Makarios wants to keep his postion as Prez of Cyprus

Fact Makarios kisses up to eastern bloc and nonaligned countries ie: MAo, Nasser, Castro and Gandhi and Tito

Fact Kissinger calls Makarios the Castro of the MED.

Im sure all of you see the points, except the TC of course The problem of Cyprus at the time was not inherently an ethnic issue but the Great powers with their interests in mind.

It's also a leftover from another regional war, between Greece and Turkey. So it's very complex and the causes go back a long way in time. Combine a regional feud with the Great Powers' strategic war games and you've got Cyprus' current situation.

[Viewpoint]

Where do these people live? why dont they keep their nose out of our business.

i dont see you asking turkey to keep her nose out of our business, and dont give me the usual tc/turk reply,,,,well turkey is here to protect us.....bl,ah blah blah......the tc were not in any danger and wouldnt be if the foreign powers nato would have kept their nose out of cyprus...blah blah blah

36 years of peaceful exsistence is more than enough reason for Turkey to intervene plus we want them here.

[wyoming cowboy]

Where do these people live? why dont they keep their nose out of our business.

i dont see you asking turkey to keep her nose out of our business, and dont give me the usual tc/turk reply,,,,well turkey is here to protect us.....bl,ah blah blah......the tc were not in any danger and wouldnt be if the foreign powers nato would have kept their nose out of cyprus...blah blah blah

36 years of peaceful exsistence is more than enough reason for Turkey to intervene plus we want them here.

36 years of your people living on stolen ethnically stolen lands, a continuing embargo of those lands by turkey, the most heavily militarized area in the world, legal fights in court, an unsteady ceasefire with countless shootings throughout the years, death , uncertainty, insecurity and you call this peace???? From the beginning if your people didnt want to create a Republic of Cyprus after the Zurich agreements you should have left..