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[Oracle]

Many nations integrated in Europe as seperate, independent states.. why not 2 nations of Cyprus island do the same? If you don't want to do the same go back to where you migrated from and leave us alone!

Because, Cyprus has always been one state. You are just invaders who have been falsely given too much credence and our patience is wearing thin with you. You have never shown any desire to belong by integrating, so why do you now suddenly want to be responsible for a separate "state". You are worthless, failure, dependent liabilities!

The 10 city-kingdoms of Cyprus established by people of various ethnic groups is a big lie then?

Clearly, in your teeny brain.

The "city kingdoms" were all governed by one ethnicity. Mostly, even, from one family. How many were around 3,000 years ago you dork-Turk?

[insan]

Many nations integrated in Europe as seperate, independent states.. why not 2 nations of Cyprus island do the same? If you don't want to do the same go back to where you migrated from and leave us alone!

Because, Cyprus has always been one state. You are just invaders who have been falsely given too much credence and our patience is wearing thin with you. You have never shown any desire to belong by integrating, so why do you now suddenly want to be responsible for a separate "state". You are worthless, failure, dependent liabilities!

The 10 city-kingdoms of Cyprus established by people of various ethnic groups is a big lie then?

Clearly, in your teeny brain.

The "city kingdoms" were all governed by one ethnicity. Mostly, even, from one family. How many were around 3,000 years ago you dork-Turk?

In 708 B.C. Cyprus encompassed seven independent kingdoms that were conquered by the Assyrian king, Sargon II. During the Assyrian dominance, about 100 years, Cypriot kings maintained considerable autonomy in domestic affairs and accumulated great wealth. The number of city-kingdoms increased to ten, one of which was Phoenician. The Cypriot kings were religious as well as secular leaders and generally commanded the city's defense forces. When Assyrian power and influence began to decline, near the end of the seventh century, Egypt filled the resulting vacuum in eastern Mediterranean affairs

http://www.mongabay.com/history/cyprus/ ... eriod.html

The term "eteocypriots" constitutes a recent invention which indicates the "aborigines" or the "original" or the "natives", inhabitants of Cyprus during prehistoric Antiquity. Those, that is, who were living on the island before the arrival and settlement of the Achaean Greeks and others, such as the Phoenicians later. But, as we have seen, Cyprus continuously received new immigrants, while immigrants were also its first inhabitants, consequently the term "eteocypriots" is used condescendingly and, indeed, some scientists do not consider it apposite.

http://www.daedalus.gr/prdinformatics/H ... ioiAEn.htm

Thx god i have "teeny" fresh brain that is far better than your rotten, washed brain...

Sorry dear but you are still under heavy influence of Greek mythology and Hellenic propaganda machine me thinks...

[wyoming cowboy]

sure it can but the tc and turkey are using the argument that it was an ethnic conflict which it wasnt, Cyprus has not used the cold war argument and keeps falling into the turk trap that a bizonal federation is needed to preserve the survival of the tc......if the cold war argument is used more effectively then the occupation of Cyprus becomes as antiquated as the Berlin Wall.

So, what about Cretan and Rhodesian Turks that had no chance to "create a problem" and most of them had to left the islands they inhabitted for 100s of years?

Why didn't the cold war affect the strategically important island Crete or Rhodes and cause a conflict there similar to Cyprus problem?

There are still many Turks in Rhodes. As for Crete, they left for Turkey. Nice decision!

The Land Forces on Crete 1897/98

Crete (Greek: Kriti, Turkish: Kirid, Italian: Candia) one of the largest islands in the Mediterranean Sea was in the last half of the 19th century an area of permanent troubles. The majority of inhabitants were of the Christian religion and rebelled against the Muslim minority which was supported by the local Ottoman government. After the great mutiny in 1866/67 the major powers advised the Ottoman Sultan to pass the authority over Crete to Greece to avoid any further bloody hostilities. The Ottoman government however refused but gave extensive autonomy and granted amnesty for the rebels. But the situation between the hostile members of the different religions didn't calm down especially because the Greek authorities permanently sent money, weapons and agitators to the island, ignoring the international agreement of 1869. Again In 1878 a major mutiny had to be put down by the legal Ottoman authorities under Mutkhtar Pasha, followed by more concessions to local self government in 1879 and again in 1889. This was good for the local people but of course not satisfying for the Greek government. They continued to stir the thorny situation by supporting the rebels with money and weapons. Again a critical point was reached when the Greek government started to transport armed soldiers of fortune to Crete in 1896 to support a new mutiny against the local government. In January 1897 the whole island was on fire, the majority (about 60%) of the inhabitants started to fight and kill the Muslim minority with the dedicated goal of joining Crete to the Greek Kingdom - a war between the Ottoman Empire and Greece was imminent. On the 15th of February 1897 2000 Greek soldiers, commanded by Colonel Vassos, landed at Crete to proclaim the union with Greece. In this situation the European major powers agreed to calm down the situation by blockading the island with ships to prohibit any troop transports, from whom ever, to Crete. Also an international peace force landed and took over control of several important places and ending any hostilities. Especially Russia, France and Italy were interested in weakening the Ottoman Empire and so they enforced their troublesome compromise to appoint the Greek Prince George as commissioner-ruler (Harmostes) of Crete but leave the island under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Sultan. The gendarmerie was newly formed under Italian control and the small local militia was put under control of foreign, mainly British, officers. No wonder that such a compromise against more than 30% of the inhabitants who were of Muslim religion and defacto deprived of their rights, could not work. After more mutinies, the largest in 1905, huge numbers of Cretan Muslims fled to the Ottoman mainland and at the end Crete became a part of the Greek Kingdom in 1913.


http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/troopscreta.htm

Had TCs not resisted by collaborating with Brits and Turkey, they would have shared the same fate of the Cretan Turks... So, before the cold war almost no TCs would have left in Cyprus... GR would have born in a Greek island and been a proud Hellene...

there were 15000 fully armed Greek troops on Cyprus in 1967, when George Papandreou was PM, after the right wing coup the junta through American pressure withdraws the troops, If everyones intentions was enosis in 67 why wasnt it executed????

[Oracle]

Many nations integrated in Europe as seperate, independent states.. why not 2 nations of Cyprus island do the same? If you don't want to do the same go back to where you migrated from and leave us alone!

Because, Cyprus has always been one state. You are just invaders who have been falsely given too much credence and our patience is wearing thin with you. You have never shown any desire to belong by integrating, so why do you now suddenly want to be responsible for a separate "state". You are worthless, failure, dependent liabilities!

The 10 city-kingdoms of Cyprus established by people of various ethnic groups is a big lie then?

Clearly, in your teeny brain.

The "city kingdoms" were all governed by one ethnicity. Mostly, even, from one family. How many were around 3,000 years ago you dork-Turk?

In 708 B.C. Cyprus encompassed seven independent kingdoms that were conquered by the Assyrian king, Sargon II. During the Assyrian dominance, about 100 years, Cypriot kings maintained considerable autonomy in domestic affairs and accumulated great wealth. The number of city-kingdoms increased to ten, one of which was Phoenician. The Cypriot kings were religious as well as secular leaders and generally commanded the city's defense forces. When Assyrian power and influence began to decline, near the end of the seventh century, Egypt filled the resulting vacuum in eastern Mediterranean affairs

http://www.mongabay.com/history/cyprus/ ... eriod.html

The term "eteocypriots" constitutes a recent invention which indicates the "aborigines" or the "original" or the "natives", inhabitants of Cyprus during prehistoric Antiquity. Those, that is, who were living on the island before the arrival and settlement of the Achaean Greeks and others, such as the Phoenicians later. But, as we have seen, Cyprus continuously received new immigrants, while immigrants were also its first inhabitants, consequently the term "eteocypriots" is used condescendingly and, indeed, some scientists do not consider it apposite.

http://www.daedalus.gr/prdinformatics/H ... ioiAEn.htm

Thx god i have "teeny" fresh brain that is far better than your rotten, washed brain...

Sorry dear but you are still under heavy influence of Greek mythology and Hellenic propaganda machine me thinks...

Thanks for proving my point. We also swallowed up the Phoenicians and recombined them into our DNA; have you not read the latest genealogical studies?

[ZoC]

Many nations integrated in Europe as seperate, independent states.. why not 2 nations of Cyprus island do the same? If you don't want to do the same go back to where you migrated from and leave us alone!

Because, Cyprus has always been one state. You are just invaders who have been falsely given too much credence and our patience is wearing thin with you. You have never shown any desire to belong by integrating, so why do you now suddenly want to be responsible for a separate "state". You are worthless, failure, dependent liabilities!

The 10 city-kingdoms of Cyprus established by people of various ethnic groups is a big lie then?

Clearly, in your teeny brain.

The "city kingdoms" were all governed by one ethnicity. Mostly, even, from one family. How many were around 3,000 years ago you dork-Turk?

In 708 B.C. Cyprus encompassed seven independent kingdoms that were conquered by the Assyrian king, Sargon II. During the Assyrian dominance, about 100 years, Cypriot kings maintained considerable autonomy in domestic affairs and accumulated great wealth. The number of city-kingdoms increased to ten, one of which was Phoenician. The Cypriot kings were religious as well as secular leaders and generally commanded the city's defense forces. When Assyrian power and influence began to decline, near the end of the seventh century, Egypt filled the resulting vacuum in eastern Mediterranean affairs

http://www.mongabay.com/history/cyprus/ ... eriod.html

The term "eteocypriots" constitutes a recent invention which indicates the "aborigines" or the "original" or the "natives", inhabitants of Cyprus during prehistoric Antiquity. Those, that is, who were living on the island before the arrival and settlement of the Achaean Greeks and others, such as the Phoenicians later. But, as we have seen, Cyprus continuously received new immigrants, while immigrants were also its first inhabitants, consequently the term "eteocypriots" is used condescendingly and, indeed, some scientists do not consider it apposite.

http://www.daedalus.gr/prdinformatics/H ... ioiAEn.htm

Thx god i have "teeny" fresh brain that is far better than your rotten, washed brain...

Sorry dear but you are still under heavy influence of Greek mythology and Hellenic propaganda machine me thinks...

Thanks for proving my point. We also swallowed up the Phoenicians and recombined them into our DNA; have you not read the latest genealogical studies?

i can see why the phoenicians were up for it if you swallowed...

[wyoming cowboy]

sure it can but the tc and turkey are using the argument that it was an ethnic conflict which it wasnt, Cyprus has not used the cold war argument and keeps falling into the turk trap that a bizonal federation is needed to preserve the survival of the tc......if the cold war argument is used more effectively then the occupation of Cyprus becomes as antiquated as the Berlin Wall.

So, what about Cretan and Rhodesian Turks that had no chance to "create a problem" and most of them had to left the islands they inhabitted for 100s of years?

Why didn't the cold war affect the strategically important island Crete or Rhodes and cause a conflict there similar to Cyprus problem?

But in the case of Cyprus, the disruptive tensions were not
the product of the communities’ antipathy toward one another. What was viewed from
the outside as an internal conflict was actually an illegal conflict consisting of actions by
terrorists on both sides that lacked any social or political support. In other words while these independent militias from both sides were causing problems in Cyprus, the regular Gc and Tc citizens of Cyprus were still working together doing business together selling their produce to one another, In actuality the right wing Gc militias were in direct confrontation with the Republic President Makarios...Turkey's assertion that there was an ethnic conflict is null and void.

[BirKibrisli]

sure it can but the tc and turkey are using the argument that it was an ethnic conflict which it wasnt, Cyprus has not used the cold war argument and keeps falling into the turk trap that a bizonal federation is needed to preserve the survival of the tc......if the cold war argument is used more effectively then the occupation of Cyprus becomes as antiquated as the Berlin Wall.

So, what about Cretan and Rhodesian Turks that had no chance to "create a problem" and most of them had to left the islands they inhabitted for 100s of years?

Why didn't the cold war affect the strategically important island Crete or Rhodes and cause a conflict there similar to Cyprus problem?

There are still many Turks in Rhodes. As for Crete, they left for Turkey. Nice decision!

The Land Forces on Crete 1897/98

Crete (Greek: Kriti, Turkish: Kirid, Italian: Candia) one of the largest islands in the Mediterranean Sea was in the last half of the 19th century an area of permanent troubles. The majority of inhabitants were of the Christian religion and rebelled against the Muslim minority which was supported by the local Ottoman government. After the great mutiny in 1866/67 the major powers advised the Ottoman Sultan to pass the authority over Crete to Greece to avoid any further bloody hostilities. The Ottoman government however refused but gave extensive autonomy and granted amnesty for the rebels. But the situation between the hostile members of the different religions didn't calm down especially because the Greek authorities permanently sent money, weapons and agitators to the island, ignoring the international agreement of 1869. Again In 1878 a major mutiny had to be put down by the legal Ottoman authorities under Mutkhtar Pasha, followed by more concessions to local self government in 1879 and again in 1889. This was good for the local people but of course not satisfying for the Greek government. They continued to stir the thorny situation by supporting the rebels with money and weapons. Again a critical point was reached when the Greek government started to transport armed soldiers of fortune to Crete in 1896 to support a new mutiny against the local government. In January 1897 the whole island was on fire, the majority (about 60%) of the inhabitants started to fight and kill the Muslim minority with the dedicated goal of joining Crete to the Greek Kingdom - a war between the Ottoman Empire and Greece was imminent. On the 15th of February 1897 2000 Greek soldiers, commanded by Colonel Vassos, landed at Crete to proclaim the union with Greece. In this situation the European major powers agreed to calm down the situation by blockading the island with ships to prohibit any troop transports, from whom ever, to Crete. Also an international peace force landed and took over control of several important places and ending any hostilities. Especially Russia, France and Italy were interested in weakening the Ottoman Empire and so they enforced their troublesome compromise to appoint the Greek Prince George as commissioner-ruler (Harmostes) of Crete but leave the island under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Sultan. The gendarmerie was newly formed under Italian control and the small local militia was put under control of foreign, mainly British, officers. No wonder that such a compromise against more than 30% of the inhabitants who were of Muslim religion and defacto deprived of their rights, could not work. After more mutinies, the largest in 1905, huge numbers of Cretan Muslims fled to the Ottoman mainland and at the end Crete became a part of the Greek Kingdom in 1913.


http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/troopscreta.htm

Had TCs not resisted by collaborating with Brits and Turkey, they would have shared the same fate of the Cretan Turks... So, before the cold war almost no TCs would have left in Cyprus... GR would have born in a Greek island and been a proud Hellene...

there were 15000 fully armed Greek troops on Cyprus in 1967, when George Papandreou was PM, after the right wing coup the junta through American pressure withdraws the troops, If everyones intentions was enosis in 67 why wasnt it executed????

The Junta withdrew the Greek troops in 1967 because Turkey threatened to invade had they stayed. This came about after Grivas made a terrible mistake and tried to destroy two TC villages, Aytotro and Kofunye ,because the TCs had cut some road and wasnt allowing GC police into their villages...Grivas was withdrawn at the same time...It is all in Clerides' memoirs,if you dont believe me...

[Get Real!]

The Junta withdrew the Greek troops in 1967 because Turkey threatened to invade had they stayed. This came about after Grivas made a terrible mistake and tried to destroy two TC villages, Aytotro and Kofunye ,because the TCs had cut some road and wasnt allowing GC police into their villages...Grivas was withdrawn at the same time...It is all in Clerides' memoirs,if you dont believe me...

That's a very screwed up version of the events but I haven't got time right now to set the record straight...

[BirKibrisli]

The Junta withdrew the Greek troops in 1967 because Turkey threatened to invade had they stayed. This came about after Grivas made a terrible mistake and tried to destroy two TC villages, Aytotro and Kofunye ,because the TCs had cut some road and wasnt allowing GC police into their villages...Grivas was withdrawn at the same time...It is all in Clerides' memoirs,if you dont believe me...

That's a very screwed up version of the events but I haven't got time right now to set the record straight...

I can hardly wait for your version of those events,GR! Please hurry up!

[Paphitis]

Many nations integrated in Europe as seperate, independent states.. why not 2 nations of Cyprus island do the same? If you don't want to do the same go back to where you migrated from and leave us alone!

Because, Cyprus has always been one state. You are just invaders who have been falsely given too much credence and our patience is wearing thin with you. You have never shown any desire to belong by integrating, so why do you now suddenly want to be responsible for a separate "state". You are worthless, failure, dependent liabilities!

The 10 city-kingdoms of Cyprus established by people of various ethnic groups is a big lie then?

Clearly, in your teeny brain.

The "city kingdoms" were all governed by one ethnicity. Mostly, even, from one family. How many were around 3,000 years ago you dork-Turk?

In 708 B.C. Cyprus encompassed seven independent kingdoms that were conquered by the Assyrian king, Sargon II. During the Assyrian dominance, about 100 years, Cypriot kings maintained considerable autonomy in domestic affairs and accumulated great wealth. The number of city-kingdoms increased to ten, one of which was Phoenician. The Cypriot kings were religious as well as secular leaders and generally commanded the city's defense forces. When Assyrian power and influence began to decline, near the end of the seventh century, Egypt filled the resulting vacuum in eastern Mediterranean affairs

http://www.mongabay.com/history/cyprus/ ... eriod.html

The term "eteocypriots" constitutes a recent invention which indicates the "aborigines" or the "original" or the "natives", inhabitants of Cyprus during prehistoric Antiquity. Those, that is, who were living on the island before the arrival and settlement of the Achaean Greeks and others, such as the Phoenicians later. But, as we have seen, Cyprus continuously received new immigrants, while immigrants were also its first inhabitants, consequently the term "eteocypriots" is used condescendingly and, indeed, some scientists do not consider it apposite.

http://www.daedalus.gr/prdinformatics/H ... ioiAEn.htm

Thx god i have "teeny" fresh brain that is far better than your rotten, washed brain...

Sorry dear but you are still under heavy influence of Greek mythology and Hellenic propaganda machine me thinks...

Thanks for proving my point. We also swallowed up the Phoenicians and recombined them into our DNA; have you not read the latest genealogical studies?

i can see why the phoenicians were up for it if you swallowed...

That will teach you for spitting you poof!