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[BOF]

I dont think Christofias is doing something new making a statement regarding the Greek incursion into Cyprus, just repeating what Makarios said previously some years before when he made a speech and called it an Invasion..
Theres no mistake about who he was talking about.

[Paphitis]

I think we should find the positive in whoever is leading our country and encourage and support that to fruition.

Right now, I take comfort in the fact our President re-iterates the solution as being of ONE Sovereignty!

Firstly, I got to say that this is a very silly thread.

But I need to ask you. Christofias made some very damaging comments in New York. He compared Greece to Turkey and even stated that Greece had invaded Cyprus first before Turkey, referring to the Coup on 15 Jul 74. Now, this can be taken to mean many things. Some will no doubt manipulate this statement to support Turkey's justification to invade Cyprus, killing thousands, but not the occupation. So how positive for Cyprus do you think Christofias has been in light of his many concessions, including Shared Governance?

I am sorry, but I'm finding it very difficult to remain positive with Christofias at the helm. That does not mean that the Office of the Republic's President does not enjoy the support of all Cypriots.

You are witnessing the most destructive President in Cypriot history. And what is even more sad, is the fact that DIKO is now complicit to the suicidal politics. Shame on them all....

But all this has revealed another positive that has for so long slipped under the radar. Omirou's EDEK should be commended, and he is our only option as the next President of Cyprus! Bravo to him!

And shame to all the rest!!!!

I haven't seen this comparison between Greece and Turkey - could you post it?

No I don't want to post it!

It is all over the net. Just do a search on Christofias speech at Brookings Institute. The Cypriot and Greek media have also covered it extensively.

Anyway, back to the question. Just how positive are you about Christofias and his handling of the Cyprus Issue?

Ella reh Paphitis, with your listening to Chinese whispers!

First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island.

Fortunately for the people of Greece, these criminal actions of the Junda led to the withdrawal of Junda in Greece and the restoration of democracy in the country in which democracy was born.

Dearest Oracle, please read the entire transcript!

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... cyprus.pdf

pay close attention to page 7 and 8!

And please tell me if you truly believe that Christofias has been positive for Cyprus and why? If you have faith in this man, then please tell me what it is that gives you this faith because I really don't have any!

Do you also regret voting NO at the Annan referendum?

I read it dear, Paphitis. He clearly distinguishes the "people of Greece" from the junta's actions. He also uses the term "intervened" when describing the junta's messing with Cyprus' affairs and immediately goes on to describe how this gave "Turkey pretext to invade Cyprus".

I don't have a problem with his descriptions.

But Oracle, this is from page 7:

So as you know, Cyprus is a very, very beautiful island. A whole island. But unfortunately, let me say it’s been raped and we have to restore the visions of Cyprus. The island of Cyprus is famous as the island of love. It is the island of Aphrodite, as you know. And tomorrow, what we are going to do, it’s a witness of what I say now. An island with 10,000 years creation and civilization. Tomorrow I invite you all to the Smithsonian Institution to look at this exhibition. Of course, the past is glorious. Its contribution tells the worldwide civilization but we have to look forward. And the bitter past of the last 40 years, we have to take into account. We have to get lessons from this, but we have to look forward. We have to solve the problem. No other alternative, of course, than the peaceful negotiations between the two communities. And, of course, the involvement at the end of the day of the three guarantor powers which all played a negative role unfortunately towards the developments in Cyprus, the two so-called main lands, in fact, invaded both.

It is badly worded, but it does state that "both motherlands" invaded!

He doesn't use your quote of "both motherlands" anywhere! You are making incorrect assumptions (as are the many who have capitalized on a badly worded and frequently inaudible speech).

He in fact immediately follows up the comment about the THREE guarantor powers' ineffectiveness, and reiterates the earlier points I made with this:

Fortunately for the people of Greece, these criminal actions of the Junda led to the withdrawal of Junda in Greece and the restoration of democracy in the country in which democracy was born.

The take home message is that he is distinguishing the actions of the junta from those of the "people of Greece". It's a rather important distinction and not akin to Turkey's actions which were carried out by elected representatives and who were not later judged and punished.

[Can we reach agreement on these important points first, before we dissect the others, as I am a little torn with attention giving ]

He mentioned "both motherlands" earlier in the piece!

NO, HE DOES NOT!

OK!

Good. Finally! That shows the degree of misrepresentation he suffers.

But how does this matter when he mentions both Greece and Turkey and that both invaded!

He doesn't. He's talking about the three guarantor powers. There is no knowing what he was trying to say -- UK? Turkey? Greece? You jumped to Greece and Turkey because of YOUR preconceptions and the fact you clearly (shown above) had decided he was previously talking about "motherlands".

Err no!

He specifically mentions the 2 "mainlands" (motherlands). Now, with this he is referring to both Greece and Turkey. The UK doesn't even enter into the equation.

You say he is misrepresented, but the fact of the matter is, the Cypriot people are fed up with this lunatic!

[Gasman]

Yes they are. And he made a point about the SBAs being 'here to stay' too.
Even if he prefaced it with summat like 'unfortunately' lol!

What was it? A problem for OUR GRANDCHILDREN?

So he ain't giving them the boot any time soon either.

[Paphitis]

Yes they are. And he made a point about the SBAs being 'here to stay' too.
Even if he prefaced it with summat like 'unfortunately' lol!

What was it? A problem for OUR GRANDCHILDREN?

So he ain't giving them the boot any time soon either.

The SBAs will stay as long as we allow them to stay.

At the moment, we have bigger fish to fry, and so the SBAs are irrelevant!

Furthermore, we are talking about a President that does not instill much confidence in his people. I think we can all deduce that Christofias has absolutely no idea what he is saying, and is an embarrassment to us internationally!

Whilst he is President, we will need to practice damage control! His term can't end soon enough. If ever a Coup was justified, then this is the time, but alas, this will only empower Turkey once again!

[denizaksulu]

Gasfart,

Oracle posted many parts of the transcript earlier, and so your haste and inattention exposes you!

Now get lost!

I was having an interesting discussion with someone far more intelligent than you, about the 'positive' aspects of Christofias' handling of the Cyprus Issue!

It is not necessary to be rude. Posts often cross midway.

There was over an hour "cross" ... is the fartbag sooo retarded?

His/her stalking tactics (waiting for debates to reach a climax or end, then butting in with some "oracle" quotes) are well known ...

Still, its not necessary to be rude.

Pity no-one can debate her responses and just insult. Shame really.

You are (both) far too slow.

The "response" was one of merely (tiresomely) pointing out that the debate had been concluded and the slowness of fartbag was one of not having "cottoned on", or negligently avoiding the conclusion (to gain more attention, courtesy of the likes of you).

Basically, shut up Deniz, because two wrongs (you and fartbag) don't make a right.

Thank you 'OMBUDSPERSON'.

Bilmukabil.

[Gasman]

The SBAs will stay as long as we allow them to stay.

No. That's not what he said at all. But I am sure you want to believe that is what he 'meant' lol!

Read it again.

[Gasman]

There was over an hour "cross" ... is the fartbag sooo retarded?

An hour? Not everyone spends their every waking hour posting on here like you do O!

You should find some new insults. The retard one is wearing a bit thin.

You are the one that was too retarded to have known about, read about, and even be unable to FIND the text for yourself!

Were you too busy writing to the EU asking them why they are taking so long to eradicate every trace of Turkishness from this isle?

How long's it been now since you DEMANDED they act?

[denizaksulu]

There was over an hour "cross" ... is the fartbag sooo retarded?

An hour? Not everyone spends their every waking hour posting on here like you do O!

You should find some new insults. The retard one is wearing a bit thin.

You are the one that was too retarded to have known about, read about, and even be unable to FIND the text for yourself!

Were you too busy writing to the EU asking them why they are taking so long to eradicate every trace of Turkishness from this isle?

How long's it been now since you DEMANDED they act?

Donr be ridiculous Gasman; Oracle loves TC's ...........to death.

[Oracle]

Gasfart,

Oracle posted many parts of the transcript earlier, and so your haste and inattention exposes you!

Now get lost!

I was having an interesting discussion with someone far more intelligent than you, about the 'positive' aspects of Christofias' handling of the Cyprus Issue!

It is not necessary to be rude. Posts often cross midway.

There was over an hour "cross" ... is the fartbag sooo retarded?

His/her stalking tactics (waiting for debates to reach a climax or end, then butting in with some "oracle" quotes) are well known ...

Still, its not necessary to be rude.

Pity no-one can debate her responses and just insult. Shame really.

You are (both) far too slow.

The "response" was one of merely (tiresomely) pointing out that the debate had been concluded and the slowness of fartbag was one of not having "cottoned on", or negligently avoiding the conclusion (to gain more attention, courtesy of the likes of you).

Basically, shut up Deniz, because two wrongs (you and fartbag) don't make a right.

Thank you 'OMBUDSPERSON'.

Bilmukabil.

I'm sorry I told you to "shut up", Deniz -- I didn't mean it generally; only in the specific sense against encouraging fartbag to cut-in on debates when she/he clearly hasn't got a clue about rhetorical requests to highlight various points. She/he seems to think this is a call for her to cut and paste something she/he imagines is what is being referred to. I wanted Paphitis to justify his claim, which is different to asking to see some speech accessible to everyone. Gasbag's immature responses are the singular cause of 90% of thread derailments at the moment. I hope she/he is wise enough to not post another ten subtexting this exchange.

[Paphitis]

Gasfart,

Oracle posted many parts of the transcript earlier, and so your haste and inattention exposes you!

Now get lost!

I was having an interesting discussion with someone far more intelligent than you, about the 'positive' aspects of Christofias' handling of the Cyprus Issue!

It is not necessary to be rude. Posts often cross midway.

There was over an hour "cross" ... is the fartbag sooo retarded?

His/her stalking tactics (waiting for debates to reach a climax or end, then butting in with some "oracle" quotes) are well known ...

Still, its not necessary to be rude.

Pity no-one can debate her responses and just insult. Shame really.

You are (both) far too slow.

The "response" was one of merely (tiresomely) pointing out that the debate had been concluded and the slowness of fartbag was one of not having "cottoned on", or negligently avoiding the conclusion (to gain more attention, courtesy of the likes of you).

Basically, shut up Deniz, because two wrongs (you and fartbag) don't make a right.

Thank you 'OMBUDSPERSON'.

Bilmukabil.

I'm sorry I told you to "shut up", Deniz -- I didn't mean it generally; only in the specific sense against encouraging fartbag to cut-in on debates when she/he clearly hasn't got a clue about rhetorical requests to highlight various points. She/he seems to think this is a call for her to cut and paste something she/he imagines is what is being referred to. I wanted Paphitis to justify his claim, which is different to asking to see some speech accessible to everyone. Gasbag's immature responses are the singular cause of 90% of thread derailments at the moment. I hope she/he is wise enough to not post another ten subtexting this exchange.

Well actually, I don't mean to insist so I will drop it!

I understand you like or support him, and there is nothing wrong with that. I support him as well, and really hope he gets his act together and solves the Cyprus Problem as well as preserve the fundamental human and democratic rights of the Cypriot people and not make things worse. I think this is what we all want!

But there are some differences of opinion. You think he is good, I think he is bad! Therefore, it would be nice if you can tell me exactly what it is you believe is so good about his handling of the Cyprus Issue. Those of us that have lost our faith in this man would very much appreciate it, and if you can show us some of the silver lining, then perhaps you might convince some of us to be less harsh on him.

There are naturally no right or wrong answers. Just differences in opinion!

Anyway, this has been a nice exchange. It is a real shame that some go out of their way to ruin things for everyone!