Oracle wrote:Paphitis wrote:Oracle wrote:Paphitis wrote:Oracle wrote:Paphitis wrote:Oracle wrote:Paphitis wrote:Oracle wrote:I think we should find the positive in whoever is leading our country and encourage and support that to fruition.
Right now, I take comfort in the fact our President re-iterates the solution as being of ONE Sovereignty!
Firstly, I got to say that this is a very silly thread.
But I need to ask you. Christofias made some very damaging comments in New York. He compared Greece to Turkey and even stated that Greece had invaded Cyprus first before Turkey, referring to the Coup on 15 Jul 74. Now, this can be taken to mean many things. Some will no doubt manipulate this statement to support Turkey's justification to invade Cyprus, killing thousands, but not the occupation. So how positive for Cyprus do you think Christofias has been in light of his many concessions, including Shared Governance?
I am sorry, but I'm finding it very difficult to remain positive with Christofias at the helm. That does not mean that the
Office of the Republic's President does not enjoy the support of all Cypriots.
You are witnessing the most destructive President in Cypriot history. And what is even more sad, is the fact that DIKO is now complicit to the suicidal politics. Shame on them all....
But all this has revealed another positive that has for so long slipped under the radar. Omirou's EDEK should be commended, and he is our only option as the next President of Cyprus! Bravo to him!
And shame to all the rest!!!!
I haven't seen this comparison between Greece and Turkey - could you post it?
No I don't want to post it!
It is all over the net. Just do a search on Christofias speech at Brookings Institute. The Cypriot and Greek media have also covered it extensively.
Anyway, back to the question. Just how positive are you about Christofias and his handling of the Cyprus Issue?
Ella reh Paphitis, with your listening to Chinese whispers!
First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island.
Fortunately for the people of Greece, these criminal actions of the Junda led to the withdrawal of Junda in Greece and the restoration of democracy in the country in which democracy was born.
Dearest Oracle, please read the entire transcript!
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... cyprus.pdfpay close attention to page 7 and 8!
And please tell me if you truly believe that Christofias has been positive for Cyprus and why? If you have faith in this man, then please tell me what it is that gives you this faith because I really don't have any!
Do you also regret voting NO at the Annan referendum?
I read it dear, Paphitis. He clearly distinguishes the "people of Greece" from the junta's actions. He also uses the term "intervened" when describing the junta's messing with Cyprus' affairs and immediately goes on to describe how this gave "Turkey pretext to
invade Cyprus".
I don't have a problem with his descriptions.
But Oracle, this is from page 7:
So as you know, Cyprus is a very, very beautiful island. A whole island. But unfortunately, let me say it’s been raped and we have to restore the visions of Cyprus. The island of Cyprus is famous as the island of love. It is the island of Aphrodite, as you know. And tomorrow, what we are going to do, it’s a witness of what I say now. An island with 10,000 years creation and civilization. Tomorrow I invite you all to the Smithsonian Institution to look at this exhibition. Of course, the past is glorious. Its contribution tells the worldwide civilization but we have to look forward. And the bitter past of the last 40 years, we have to take into account. We have to get lessons from this, but we have to look forward. We have to solve the problem. No other alternative, of course, than the peaceful negotiations between the two communities. And, of course, the involvement at the end of the day of the three guarantor powers which all played a negative role unfortunately towards the developments in Cyprus, the two so-called main lands, in fact, invaded both.
It is badly worded, but it does state that "both motherlands" invaded!
He doesn't use your quote of "both motherlands" anywhere! You are making incorrect assumptions (as are the many who have capitalized on a badly worded and frequently
inaudible speech).
He in fact immediately follows up the comment about the THREE guarantor powers' ineffectiveness, and reiterates the earlier points I made with this:
Fortunately for the people of Greece, these criminal actions of the Junda led to the withdrawal of Junda in Greece and the restoration of democracy in the country in which democracy was born.
The take home message is that he is distinguishing the actions of the junta from those of the "people of Greece". It's a rather important distinction and not akin to Turkey's actions which were carried out by
elected representatives and who were not later judged and
punished.
[Can we reach agreement on these important points first, before we dissect the others, as I am a little torn with attention giving
]
He mentioned "both motherlands" earlier in the piece!
I am not the only one making a big issue of this. Phileleftheros, Simerini, Politis and many other reputable sources in Greece are also turning this into a big issue.
But in my view, this is not that important, as regrettable as his speech is. But it is just another speech in a long line of speeches and political blunders and miscalculations which have and will cause much damage to Cyprus! The key underlying factor is his incompetent handling of the Cyprus issue, from compromising on Illegal Settlers, to accepting a Rotational Presidency etc
I don't accept your argument. The Turkish Government was elected, but you can hardly blame ALL Turkish people for the invasion. So there are some parallels between the 'elected' Government of Turkey and the non elected Greek Junta. Not all Turks support the continued occupation of Cyprus. This is only natural. It is only natural that ALL Australians do not support Australia's involvement in Afghanistan. You can't really blame all Australians for the War on Iraq as you can't blame All Brits or Americans of the same. Naturally, the Greek people are not to blame for the Coup, and not ALL Turks are to blame for Turkey's policy on Cyprus. Many Turks can't even read or write, and it is debatable whether many Turks did in fact vote at all from deep within Anatolia in the early 70s....
But we will leave it at that!