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Postby Oracle » Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:50 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:I think we should find the positive in whoever is leading our country and encourage and support that to fruition.

Right now, I take comfort in the fact our President re-iterates the solution as being of ONE Sovereignty!


Firstly, I got to say that this is a very silly thread.

But I need to ask you. Christofias made some very damaging comments in New York. He compared Greece to Turkey and even stated that Greece had invaded Cyprus first before Turkey, referring to the Coup on 15 Jul 74. Now, this can be taken to mean many things. Some will no doubt manipulate this statement to support Turkey's justification to invade Cyprus, killing thousands, but not the occupation. So how positive for Cyprus do you think Christofias has been in light of his many concessions, including Shared Governance?

I am sorry, but I'm finding it very difficult to remain positive with Christofias at the helm. That does not mean that the Office of the Republic's President does not enjoy the support of all Cypriots.

You are witnessing the most destructive President in Cypriot history. And what is even more sad, is the fact that DIKO is now complicit to the suicidal politics. Shame on them all....

But all this has revealed another positive that has for so long slipped under the radar. Omirou's EDEK should be commended, and he is our only option as the next President of Cyprus! Bravo to him!

And shame to all the rest!!!!


I haven't seen this comparison between Greece and Turkey - could you post it?


No I don't want to post it!

It is all over the net. Just do a search on Christofias speech at Brookings Institute. The Cypriot and Greek media have also covered it extensively.

Anyway, back to the question. Just how positive are you about Christofias and his handling of the Cyprus Issue? :?


Ella reh Paphitis, with your listening to Chinese whispers! :roll:

First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island.


Fortunately for the people of Greece, these criminal actions of the Junda led to the withdrawal of Junda in Greece and the restoration of democracy in the country in which democracy was born.


Dearest Oracle, please read the entire transcript!

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... cyprus.pdf

pay close attention to page 7 and 8!

And please tell me if you truly believe that Christofias has been positive for Cyprus and why? If you have faith in this man, then please tell me what it is that gives you this faith because I really don't have any!

Do you also regret voting NO at the Annan referendum?


I read it dear, Paphitis. He clearly distinguishes the "people of Greece" from the junta's actions. He also uses the term "intervened" when describing the junta's messing with Cyprus' affairs and immediately goes on to describe how this gave "Turkey pretext to invade Cyprus".

I don't have a problem with his descriptions.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:00 pm

Oracle wrote:
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Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:I think we should find the positive in whoever is leading our country and encourage and support that to fruition.

Right now, I take comfort in the fact our President re-iterates the solution as being of ONE Sovereignty!


Firstly, I got to say that this is a very silly thread.

But I need to ask you. Christofias made some very damaging comments in New York. He compared Greece to Turkey and even stated that Greece had invaded Cyprus first before Turkey, referring to the Coup on 15 Jul 74. Now, this can be taken to mean many things. Some will no doubt manipulate this statement to support Turkey's justification to invade Cyprus, killing thousands, but not the occupation. So how positive for Cyprus do you think Christofias has been in light of his many concessions, including Shared Governance?

I am sorry, but I'm finding it very difficult to remain positive with Christofias at the helm. That does not mean that the Office of the Republic's President does not enjoy the support of all Cypriots.

You are witnessing the most destructive President in Cypriot history. And what is even more sad, is the fact that DIKO is now complicit to the suicidal politics. Shame on them all....

But all this has revealed another positive that has for so long slipped under the radar. Omirou's EDEK should be commended, and he is our only option as the next President of Cyprus! Bravo to him!

And shame to all the rest!!!!


I haven't seen this comparison between Greece and Turkey - could you post it?


No I don't want to post it!

It is all over the net. Just do a search on Christofias speech at Brookings Institute. The Cypriot and Greek media have also covered it extensively.

Anyway, back to the question. Just how positive are you about Christofias and his handling of the Cyprus Issue? :?


Ella reh Paphitis, with your listening to Chinese whispers! :roll:

First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island.


Fortunately for the people of Greece, these criminal actions of the Junda led to the withdrawal of Junda in Greece and the restoration of democracy in the country in which democracy was born.


Dearest Oracle, please read the entire transcript!

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... cyprus.pdf

pay close attention to page 7 and 8!

And please tell me if you truly believe that Christofias has been positive for Cyprus and why? If you have faith in this man, then please tell me what it is that gives you this faith because I really don't have any!

Do you also regret voting NO at the Annan referendum?


I read it dear, Paphitis. He clearly distinguishes the "people of Greece" from the junta's actions. He also uses the term "intervened" when describing the junta's messing with Cyprus' affairs and immediately goes on to describe how this gave "Turkey pretext to invade Cyprus".

I don't have a problem with his descriptions.


But Oracle, this is from page 7:

So as you know, Cyprus is a very, very beautiful island. A whole island. But unfortunately, let me say it’s been raped and we have to restore the visions of Cyprus. The island of Cyprus is famous as the island of love. It is the island of Aphrodite, as you know. And tomorrow, what we are going to do, it’s a witness of what I say now. An island with 10,000 years creation and civilization. Tomorrow I invite you all to the Smithsonian Institution to look at this exhibition. Of course, the past is glorious. Its contribution tells the worldwide civilization but we have to look forward. And the bitter past of the last 40 years, we have to take into account. We have to get lessons from this, but we have to look forward. We have to solve the problem. No other alternative, of course, than the peaceful negotiations between the two communities. And, of course, the involvement at the end of the day of the three guarantor powers which all played a negative role unfortunately towards the developments in Cyprus, the two so-called main lands, in fact, invaded both.


It is badly worded, but it does state that "both motherlands" invaded!

Anyway, I leave it to your interpretation. I don't believe that you agree with his statement. The Greek and Cypriot media outlets have made a very big issue of this, as they do see a problem with the descriptions.

And distinguishing between Junta and the Greek people is not important in my view. When you think about it, it was the Turkish Government that ordered the invasion of Cyprus, and there is little point in blaming this on all 70,000,000 illiterate Turkish peasants in Anatolia!!!

You are also reluctant to answer my question probably because you are don't see too many positives with his handling of serious matters but don't want to say anything.

If there are positives in your opinion, then why don't you list them?
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Postby insan » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:06 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:""First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island. The consequences were tragic, of course."
Although a badly prepared speech I see nothing inaccurate in the above part of the speech.
Greece INTERVENED , FACT ,
Greece gave turkey the excuse to invade , fact !


Don't be such an idiot.

The illegal Coup was an internal Cypriot matter that did not involve the TC community!

Turkey just took the opportunity to accomplish what it had always planned from 1963 and onwards! It was only a matter of time!



Wasn't first Sampson who claimed that the coup was an internal matter? Now the idiot Paphitis repeating the same nonesense! :lol:

An internal matter that sponsored by Greek junta! :lol: Which aspect of the matter was internal? The Cyprus born Sampson who was directly being controlled by the dictators of his mommyland? :lol:

How could an ultra nationalist, a fierce Enosist, deadly Turk hater could contribute the solution of Cyprus problem? :lol:

Had Sampson ever recognized the RoC? :lol: In his mind, Cyprus was a Greek island should have been ruled by Greeks! :lol:

You are a huge joke Pufidiot! :lol:
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Postby miltiades » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:07 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:""First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island. The consequences were tragic, of course."
Although a badly prepared speech I see nothing inaccurate in the above part of the speech.
Greece INTERVENED , FACT ,
Greece gave turkey the excuse to invade , fact !


Don't be such an idiot.

The illegal Coup was an internal Cypriot matter that did not involve the TC community!

Turkey just took the opportunity to accomplish what it had always planned from 1963 and onwards! It was only a matter of time!


don't be so daft the bloody greeks , you obviously were not around at the time so your knowledge of events that took place are second hand .
Listen stupid , the Greek junta WERE the guilty party who encouraged fucking idiots who still wanted Enosis with the so called motherland , the barbarians who now inhabit Greece !!!
The junta and ONLY the fucking junta were responsible in inviting turkey into Cyprus , everyone knows this apart from obvious plonkers like you !!!
Do listen boy and learn, the Greeks are wholly responsible for the catastrophic events of 1974 , ναι φίλε
ει καλαμαραδες μας γαμισανε κε μιν το χεχνας
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Postby AlanwithoneL » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:07 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:I think we should find the positive in whoever is leading our country and encourage and support that to fruition.

Right now, I take comfort in the fact our President re-iterates the solution as being of ONE Sovereignty!


Firstly, I got to say that this is a very silly thread.

But I need to ask you. Christofias made some very damaging comments in New York. He compared Greece to Turkey and even stated that Greece had invaded Cyprus first before Turkey, referring to the Coup on 15 Jul 74. Now, this can be taken to mean many things. Some will no doubt manipulate this statement to support Turkey's justification to invade Cyprus, killing thousands, but not the occupation. So how positive for Cyprus do you think Christofias has been in light of his many concessions, including Shared Governance?

I am sorry, but I'm finding it very difficult to remain positive with Christofias at the helm. That does not mean that the Office of the Republic's President does not enjoy the support of all Cypriots.

You are witnessing the most destructive President in Cypriot history. And what is even more sad, is the fact that DIKO is now complicit to the suicidal politics. Shame on them all....

But all this has revealed another positive that has for so long slipped under the radar. Omirou's EDEK should be commended, and he is our only option as the next President of Cyprus! Bravo to him!

And shame to all the rest!!!!


I haven't seen this comparison between Greece and Turkey - could you post it?


No I don't want to post it!

It is all over the net. Just do a search on Christofias speech at Brookings Institute. The Cypriot and Greek media have also covered it extensively.

Anyway, back to the question. Just how positive are you about Christofias and his handling of the Cyprus Issue? :?


Ella reh Paphitis, with your listening to Chinese whispers! :roll:

First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island.


Fortunately for the people of Greece, these criminal actions of the Junda led to the withdrawal of Junda in Greece and the restoration of democracy in the country in which democracy was born.


Dearest Oracle, please read the entire transcript!

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... cyprus.pdf

pay close attention to page 7 and 8!

And please tell me if you truly believe that Christofias has been positive for Cyprus and why? If you have faith in this man, then please tell me what it is that gives you this faith because I really don't have any!

Do you also regret voting NO at the Annan referendum?


I read it dear, Paphitis. He clearly distinguishes the "people of Greece" from the junta's actions. He also uses the term "intervened" when describing the junta's messing with Cyprus' affairs and immediately goes on to describe how this gave "Turkey pretext to invade Cyprus".

I don't have a problem with his descriptions.


But Oracle, this is from page 7:

So as you know, Cyprus is a very, very beautiful island. A whole island. But unfortunately, let me say it’s been raped and we have to restore the visions of Cyprus. The island of Cyprus is famous as the island of love. It is the island of Aphrodite, as you know. And tomorrow, what we are going to do, it’s a witness of what I say now. An island with 10,000 years creation and civilization. Tomorrow I invite you all to the Smithsonian Institution to look at this exhibition. Of course, the past is glorious. Its contribution tells the worldwide civilization but we have to look forward. And the bitter past of the last 40 years, we have to take into account. We have to get lessons from this, but we have to look forward. We have to solve the problem. No other alternative, of course, than the peaceful negotiations between the two communities. And, of course, the involvement at the end of the day of the three guarantor powers which all played a negative role unfortunately towards the developments in Cyprus, the two so-called main lands, in fact, invaded both.


It is badly worded, but it does state that "both motherlands" invaded!

Anyway, I leave it to your interpretation. I don't believe that you agree with his statement but don't wish to say anything.

You are also reluctant to answer my question probably because you are don't see too many positives with his handling of serious matters but don't want to say anything.

If there are positives in your opinion, then why don't you list them?


Strange to say the least. Greeks are brilliant at distorting facts. Christofias is a bit rusty it seems, perhaps a visit to the CF will polish his skills of lying, denial and distortion.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:11 pm

AlanwithoneL wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:I think we should find the positive in whoever is leading our country and encourage and support that to fruition.

Right now, I take comfort in the fact our President re-iterates the solution as being of ONE Sovereignty!


Firstly, I got to say that this is a very silly thread.

But I need to ask you. Christofias made some very damaging comments in New York. He compared Greece to Turkey and even stated that Greece had invaded Cyprus first before Turkey, referring to the Coup on 15 Jul 74. Now, this can be taken to mean many things. Some will no doubt manipulate this statement to support Turkey's justification to invade Cyprus, killing thousands, but not the occupation. So how positive for Cyprus do you think Christofias has been in light of his many concessions, including Shared Governance?

I am sorry, but I'm finding it very difficult to remain positive with Christofias at the helm. That does not mean that the Office of the Republic's President does not enjoy the support of all Cypriots.

You are witnessing the most destructive President in Cypriot history. And what is even more sad, is the fact that DIKO is now complicit to the suicidal politics. Shame on them all....

But all this has revealed another positive that has for so long slipped under the radar. Omirou's EDEK should be commended, and he is our only option as the next President of Cyprus! Bravo to him!

And shame to all the rest!!!!


I haven't seen this comparison between Greece and Turkey - could you post it?


No I don't want to post it!

It is all over the net. Just do a search on Christofias speech at Brookings Institute. The Cypriot and Greek media have also covered it extensively.

Anyway, back to the question. Just how positive are you about Christofias and his handling of the Cyprus Issue? :?


Ella reh Paphitis, with your listening to Chinese whispers! :roll:

First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island.


Fortunately for the people of Greece, these criminal actions of the Junda led to the withdrawal of Junda in Greece and the restoration of democracy in the country in which democracy was born.


Dearest Oracle, please read the entire transcript!

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... cyprus.pdf

pay close attention to page 7 and 8!

And please tell me if you truly believe that Christofias has been positive for Cyprus and why? If you have faith in this man, then please tell me what it is that gives you this faith because I really don't have any!

Do you also regret voting NO at the Annan referendum?


I read it dear, Paphitis. He clearly distinguishes the "people of Greece" from the junta's actions. He also uses the term "intervened" when describing the junta's messing with Cyprus' affairs and immediately goes on to describe how this gave "Turkey pretext to invade Cyprus".

I don't have a problem with his descriptions.


But Oracle, this is from page 7:

So as you know, Cyprus is a very, very beautiful island. A whole island. But unfortunately, let me say it’s been raped and we have to restore the visions of Cyprus. The island of Cyprus is famous as the island of love. It is the island of Aphrodite, as you know. And tomorrow, what we are going to do, it’s a witness of what I say now. An island with 10,000 years creation and civilization. Tomorrow I invite you all to the Smithsonian Institution to look at this exhibition. Of course, the past is glorious. Its contribution tells the worldwide civilization but we have to look forward. And the bitter past of the last 40 years, we have to take into account. We have to get lessons from this, but we have to look forward. We have to solve the problem. No other alternative, of course, than the peaceful negotiations between the two communities. And, of course, the involvement at the end of the day of the three guarantor powers which all played a negative role unfortunately towards the developments in Cyprus, the two so-called main lands, in fact, invaded both.


It is badly worded, but it does state that "both motherlands" invaded!

Anyway, I leave it to your interpretation. I don't believe that you agree with his statement but don't wish to say anything.

You are also reluctant to answer my question probably because you are don't see too many positives with his handling of serious matters but don't want to say anything.

If there are positives in your opinion, then why don't you list them?


Strange to say the least. Greeks are brilliant at distorting facts. Christofias is a bit rusty it seems, perhaps a visit to the CF will polish his skills of lying, denial and distortion.


And what exactly do the Greeks have to do with all this in this day and age?

They have done nothing, which is probably a problem in itself!
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:17 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:""First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island. The consequences were tragic, of course."
Although a badly prepared speech I see nothing inaccurate in the above part of the speech.
Greece INTERVENED , FACT ,
Greece gave turkey the excuse to invade , fact !


Don't be such an idiot.

The illegal Coup was an internal Cypriot matter that did not involve the TC community!

Turkey just took the opportunity to accomplish what it had always planned from 1963 and onwards! It was only a matter of time!


don't be so daft the bloody greeks , you obviously were not around at the time so your knowledge of events that took place are second hand .
Listen stupid , the Greek junta WERE the guilty party who encouraged fucking idiots who still wanted Enosis with the so called motherland , the barbarians who now inhabit Greece !!!
The junta and ONLY the fucking junta were responsible in inviting turkey into Cyprus , everyone knows this apart from obvious plonkers like you !!!
Do listen boy and learn, the Greeks are wholly responsible for the catastrophic events of 1974 , ναι φίλε
ει καλαμαραδες μας γαμισανε κε μιν το χεχνας


You have lost the plot. I suppose the Turkish bombings and the near invasion in 1967 were also Greece's fault!

It's all Greece fault Milti, and in your mind, the UK was and is totally innocent in all this, and heaven forbid someone rightfully mention the fact that it was indeed Henry Kissinger who coordinated all the events leading to the invasion, and he my friend was Secretary of State of the Greatest Nation in the world after Cyprus in your pathetic and sick mind!
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:18 pm

insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:""First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island. The consequences were tragic, of course."
Although a badly prepared speech I see nothing inaccurate in the above part of the speech.
Greece INTERVENED , FACT ,
Greece gave turkey the excuse to invade , fact !


Don't be such an idiot.

The illegal Coup was an internal Cypriot matter that did not involve the TC community!

Turkey just took the opportunity to accomplish what it had always planned from 1963 and onwards! It was only a matter of time!



Wasn't first Sampson who claimed that the coup was an internal matter? Now the idiot Paphitis repeating the same nonesense! :lol:

An internal matter that sponsored by Greek junta! :lol: Which aspect of the matter was internal? The Cyprus born Sampson who was directly being controlled by the dictators of his mommyland? :lol:

How could an ultra nationalist, a fierce Enosist, deadly Turk hater could contribute the solution of Cyprus problem? :lol:

Had Sampson ever recognized the RoC? :lol: In his mind, Cyprus was a Greek island should have been ruled by Greeks! :lol:

You are a huge joke Pufidiot! :lol:


I gave up talking to idiots a long time ago!
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Postby miltiades » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:31 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:""First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island. The consequences were tragic, of course."
Although a badly prepared speech I see nothing inaccurate in the above part of the speech.
Greece INTERVENED , FACT ,
Greece gave turkey the excuse to invade , fact !


Don't be such an idiot.

The illegal Coup was an internal Cypriot matter that did not involve the TC community!

Turkey just took the opportunity to accomplish what it had always planned from 1963 and onwards! It was only a matter of time!


don't be so daft the bloody greeks , you obviously were not around at the time so your knowledge of events that took place are second hand .
Listen stupid , the Greek junta WERE the guilty party who encouraged fucking idiots who still wanted Enosis with the so called motherland , the barbarians who now inhabit Greece !!!
The junta and ONLY the fucking junta were responsible in inviting turkey into Cyprus , everyone knows this apart from obvious plonkers like you !!!
Do listen boy and learn, the Greeks are wholly responsible for the catastrophic events of 1974 , ναι φίλε
ει καλαμαραδες μας γαμισανε κε μιν το χεχνας


You have lost the plot. I suppose the Turkish bombings and the near invasion in 1967 were also Greece's fault!

It's all Greece fault Milti, and in your mind, the UK was and is totally innocent in all this, and heaven forbid someone rightfully mention the fact that it was indeed Henry Kissinger who coordinated all the events leading to the invasion, and he my friend was Secretary of State of the Greatest Nation in the world after Cyprus in your pathetic and sick mind!

I repaet , the Greek officers stationed in Cyprus took their orders from the Greek Junta, no one else. INDISPUTABLE FACT .
The Greek Junta orchestrated the coup against Makarios , INDISPUTABLE FACT.
The invasion by Turkey was as a direct consequense of the stupid actions by the ELLAS ELLINON XRISTIANON bullshiitters , so no more bullshit mate , your mates the poushtokalamarades fucked us and then the bloody cowards deserted us ! FACT !
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Postby Oracle » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:31 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:I think we should find the positive in whoever is leading our country and encourage and support that to fruition.

Right now, I take comfort in the fact our President re-iterates the solution as being of ONE Sovereignty!


Firstly, I got to say that this is a very silly thread.

But I need to ask you. Christofias made some very damaging comments in New York. He compared Greece to Turkey and even stated that Greece had invaded Cyprus first before Turkey, referring to the Coup on 15 Jul 74. Now, this can be taken to mean many things. Some will no doubt manipulate this statement to support Turkey's justification to invade Cyprus, killing thousands, but not the occupation. So how positive for Cyprus do you think Christofias has been in light of his many concessions, including Shared Governance?

I am sorry, but I'm finding it very difficult to remain positive with Christofias at the helm. That does not mean that the Office of the Republic's President does not enjoy the support of all Cypriots.

You are witnessing the most destructive President in Cypriot history. And what is even more sad, is the fact that DIKO is now complicit to the suicidal politics. Shame on them all....

But all this has revealed another positive that has for so long slipped under the radar. Omirou's EDEK should be commended, and he is our only option as the next President of Cyprus! Bravo to him!

And shame to all the rest!!!!


I haven't seen this comparison between Greece and Turkey - could you post it?


No I don't want to post it!

It is all over the net. Just do a search on Christofias speech at Brookings Institute. The Cypriot and Greek media have also covered it extensively.

Anyway, back to the question. Just how positive are you about Christofias and his handling of the Cyprus Issue? :?


Ella reh Paphitis, with your listening to Chinese whispers! :roll:

First (inaudible) Greece intervened in the internal affairs of Cyprus with President Makarios. They achieved this for one week and this was enough to give the pretext to Turkey to invade Cyprus and until now Turkey by 37 percent of the island.


Fortunately for the people of Greece, these criminal actions of the Junda led to the withdrawal of Junda in Greece and the restoration of democracy in the country in which democracy was born.


Dearest Oracle, please read the entire transcript!

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... cyprus.pdf

pay close attention to page 7 and 8!

And please tell me if you truly believe that Christofias has been positive for Cyprus and why? If you have faith in this man, then please tell me what it is that gives you this faith because I really don't have any!

Do you also regret voting NO at the Annan referendum?


I read it dear, Paphitis. He clearly distinguishes the "people of Greece" from the junta's actions. He also uses the term "intervened" when describing the junta's messing with Cyprus' affairs and immediately goes on to describe how this gave "Turkey pretext to invade Cyprus".

I don't have a problem with his descriptions.


But Oracle, this is from page 7:

So as you know, Cyprus is a very, very beautiful island. A whole island. But unfortunately, let me say it’s been raped and we have to restore the visions of Cyprus. The island of Cyprus is famous as the island of love. It is the island of Aphrodite, as you know. And tomorrow, what we are going to do, it’s a witness of what I say now. An island with 10,000 years creation and civilization. Tomorrow I invite you all to the Smithsonian Institution to look at this exhibition. Of course, the past is glorious. Its contribution tells the worldwide civilization but we have to look forward. And the bitter past of the last 40 years, we have to take into account. We have to get lessons from this, but we have to look forward. We have to solve the problem. No other alternative, of course, than the peaceful negotiations between the two communities. And, of course, the involvement at the end of the day of the three guarantor powers which all played a negative role unfortunately towards the developments in Cyprus, the two so-called main lands, in fact, invaded both.


It is badly worded, but it does state that "both motherlands" invaded!


He doesn't use your quote of "both motherlands" anywhere! You are making incorrect assumptions (as are the many who have capitalized on a badly worded and frequently inaudible speech).

He in fact immediately follows up the comment about the THREE guarantor powers' ineffectiveness, and reiterates the earlier points I made with this:

Fortunately for the people of Greece, these criminal actions of the Junda led to the withdrawal of Junda in Greece and the restoration of democracy in the country in which democracy was born.


The take home message is that he is distinguishing the actions of the junta from those of the "people of Greece". It's a rather important distinction and not akin to Turkey's actions which were carried out by elected representatives and who were not later judged and punished.

[Can we reach agreement on these important points first, before we dissect the others, as I am a little torn with attention giving :wink:]
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