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Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:28 pm

And you guys need to understand that Australia is a small country, with a very capable and well trained Military, considered to have the highest standards in training in the world. There is much pride in our ADF, as we have fought many battles, made our own history and immortalised our own legends which are considered the backbone of this very young country which has come a very long way in the last 200 odd years! Our people are united, support the ADF in every respect and you have absolutely no idea how this makes you feel as a serving soldier. Our men and women are humbled by it, they have very big boots to fill of those they gain strength from and much care is taken to never disgrace the country or its Armed Service. War is not fun, and killing a person is something we prefer to avoid if that can be helped!

Now you may understand what I was telling you earlier about the ANZAC spirit/legend! Now you understand how we feel about the ADF and the very spirit that gave birth to this young country. It is our foundation, and it is immortal. It exists within the ranks of the ADF to this present day. We nurture it. It is one in all in, because that's how we roll! And these very principles DO NOT permit us to condone killing of innocent civilians. We take this very seriously. A little more seriously than other countries both friend and foe!

That's what its all about!

And now, you have learned a little about what makes Australia tick and why it is a fantastic country and why we are very proud of our achievements and Military! This gave birth to Australia and gave it a National Character.

The Anzac spirit or Anzac legend is a concept which suggests that Australian and New Zealand soldiers possess shared characteristics, specifically the qualities those soldiers are believed to have shown on the battlefield in World War I.[1] These qualities cluster around several ideas, including endurance, courage, ingenuity, good humour, larrikinism, and mateship.[2] According to this concept, the soldiers are perceived to have been innocent and fit, stoical and laconic, irreverent in the face of authority, naturally egalitarian and disdainful of British class differences.[3]
The Anzac spirit also tends to capture the idea of an Australian and New Zealand "national character", with the Gallipoli Campaign often described as being the moment of birth of the nationhood of both Australia[3] and New Zealand.[4][5][6]


And may I just say, that Cypriots have very similar qualities, which makes me very proud of you all. You have faced the same adversities and then some. Unfortunately, we don't have any unity. But we have maintained our dignity and identity from those that try to rip us apart!

Get Real, I really do like this thread, because there is are very important messages and values within it. Values I respect a great deal! And no, these values DO NOT have anything to do with killing people! These are the values of many people here, and of those that gave their lives for Cyprus in the 50s and 74!

Values which will also give the accused soldiers a fair trial and which will eventually get to the bottom of this terrible situation! Another example of what makes Australia a very great country!
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Postby humanist » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:43 pm

No excuse for killing innocent civilians end of story ..... what the Australian government has failed to recognise its the emotional and psychological impact war has on people primarily soldiers who experience it each and everyday.

I was there protesting against the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Australian government needs to be held accountable for sending 20 year olds to war to fight for something that we have no right to have been involved in the first lace because Howard wanted to kiss Bush arse.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:12 am

Oracle wrote:Loosely connected to topic ...

http://melbourne-leader.whereilive.com. ... rejection/


Well, I would presume that most of the Councillors within the council, are particularly aware about Cyprus or knowledgeable about the Cyprus Problem. And then it probably raises another issue, whereby some 100 odd other communities would wish to raise their flag on public buildings as well, maybe even Turkey!

There excuse is very flimsy though! If they stated the above, then it would make sense!
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:24 am

humanist wrote:No excuse for killing innocent civilians end of story ..... what the Australian government has failed to recognise its the emotional and psychological impact war has on people primarily soldiers who experience it each and everyday.

I was there protesting against the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Australian government needs to be held accountable for sending 20 year olds to war to fight for something that we have no right to have been involved in the first lace because Howard wanted to kiss Bush arse.


The Australian Government recognizes the sacrifices made by the ADF, there is no question about this. But at the end of the day, all ADF personnel are volunteers in serving their country. They are highly motivated, intelligent, and sensitive about the plight of innocent Afghanis. We are very particular about disassociating ourselves with US and British Forces, because some of the acts of cruelty is just something we do not accept. If you tell an Aussie Digger that they are just as bad as US or British soldiers, they will knock your block off when half tanked. The Australian Military has held much contempt for British Forces since WW1. We don't like them. We don't accept their mentality because they do not meet our Australian standards. And yes, we believe firmly that we are better!

Of course there is no excuse for murdering civilians. But it is very unclear that this was premeditated murder with intent! That is the issue.

If this is proven to be an accident, because the insurgent had a human shield, then the murder charges will not stand. If this is not the case, then the soldiers will be put away for a very long time. I am no legal expert, but it appears, even with my limited knowledge about the facts, that the defence appears quite solid! This is probably the reason why the soldiers were not charged earlier. There is a belief that these charges came about because the ICC started to make some inquiries over the incident.
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Postby RichardB » Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:27 am

Well I dont know about war crimes but passing off that fizzy pop shi* Fosters as lager is a 'Crime against Humanity' :wink:
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:23 pm

RichardB wrote:Well I dont know about war crimes but passing off that fizzy pop shi* Fosters as lager is a 'Crime against Humanity' :wink:


I agree!

May I just say that no one actually drinks Fosters in Australia as there are so many nicer beers, but you Europeans just love it so much because you think that Fosters is the epitome of Australia.... :lol:

Victoria Bitter is better! :wink:
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Postby gauss » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:50 pm

Paphitis wrote:The Australian Government recognizes the sacrifices made by the ADF, there is no question about this.

Really? I read today that the leader of the parliamentary coalition that received a plurality of votes and holds a plurality of seats in the parliament didn't bother to drop in on the dingos as he flew right over Afghanistan on his way to London. Perhaps he doesn't want to stain himself by shaking their bloody hands, cobber?

Doesn't he represent the opinions of more than half the country?
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:04 pm

gauss wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The Australian Government recognizes the sacrifices made by the ADF, there is no question about this.

Really? I read today that the leader of the parliamentary coalition that received a plurality of votes and holds a plurality of seats in the parliament didn't bother to drop in on the dingos as he flew right over Afghanistan on his way to London. Perhaps he doesn't want to stain himself by shaking their bloody hands, cobber?

Doesn't he represent the opinions of more than half the country?


You better do some research because Australia has a Minority Government at the moment. They only hold one more seat from the support from 3 independents, which means that the Liberal Coalition has the most seats in parliament and they also received 500,000 thousand more votes.

Our Prime Minister visited Australian troops in Afghanistan only yesterday!

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/nati ... 5933383003

Tony Abbot, the leader of the opposition has also been to Afghanistan! John Howard, Australia most popular post WW2 Prime Minister, also did the same!
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Postby gauss » Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:13 pm

Paphitis wrote:Australia has a Minority Government at the moment

You don't say. When did this happen?

So did or did not the leader of the biggest party group in the parliament snub the dingos doing the butchering in Afghanistan?
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