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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

If Turkey becomes an EU member ...

as a TC, I would consider emigrating there
1
10%
as a GC, I would consider emigrating there
1
10%
as a Turk/Settler, I would consider returning
0
No votes
as a Greek, I would consider re-colonising
1
10%
I have no interest in living in Turkey-EU
7
70%
 
Total votes : 10

Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:48 pm

I like petitions! :D

Here are a few more for our British friends…

Help stop the badger slaughter petition
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/ACTIVE/ ... n=wildlife

Fox Hunting to be Banned
http://www.petitiononline.com/foxes/petition.html

Tougher Sentencing for Animal Cruelty UK
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10885948875

Harsher Animal Cruelty Laws Petition
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=47449019619


And don’t forget the British Cat bin lady caught in the act…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildli ... uelty.html
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Postby Hermes » Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:15 am

The Turks just don't get it...

Ankara: Turkish public put off by EU members' intrigues

ANKARA, Turkey — A high-placed Turkish official stated on Sunday that the Turkish public is becoming increasingly frustrated by European "political intrigues" that are stalling its EU membership bid. The statement was issued to mark the fifth anniversary of the start of the accession talks.

Turkey started negotiation in 2005 but has made little progress since then due to a dispute over Cyprus — an EU member that is divided between the ethnic Greek south and Turkish north. In addition, France and Germany have expressed opposition to its bid.

Turkey's chief EU negotiator Egemen Bagis said in a blunt statement Sunday: "The negotiation process is interrupted by political intrigues in a way that has never been experienced by a candidate country before."

Bagis added that the EU members' approach to Turkey is "neither fair nor sustainable."


http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=190063

It needs repeating: Turkey is solely responsible for the stalling of its EU accession process. Turkey merely has to fulfill its obligations to recognise the Republic of Cyprus and work constructively towards a compromise settlement.

President Christofias has recently put forward a proposal that would allow Turkey to fulfill its obligations to Cyprus and the EU, open the town of Varosha to its lawful inhabitants, speed up the peace talks and, as a result, unblock the relevant EU chapters. Turkey has refused to consider them.

It defies belief that a Turkish official can then accuse the EU of playing games with Turkey's candidacy. Do Turkish officials not understand that the accession process is being blocked by their own stupidity and belligerence? Without an end to the partition and occupation of Cyprus, Turkey cannot join the EU. Turkey must know this and yet it seems to be in a state of denial and lashes out at Europe when it should take a look at its own failings.
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Postby Murataga » Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:58 am

Hermes wrote:The Turks just don't get it...

Ankara: Turkish public put off by EU members' intrigues

ANKARA, Turkey — A high-placed Turkish official stated on Sunday that the Turkish public is becoming increasingly frustrated by European "political intrigues" that are stalling its EU membership bid. The statement was issued to mark the fifth anniversary of the start of the accession talks.

Turkey started negotiation in 2005 but has made little progress since then due to a dispute over Cyprus — an EU member that is divided between the ethnic Greek south and Turkish north. In addition, France and Germany have expressed opposition to its bid.

Turkey's chief EU negotiator Egemen Bagis said in a blunt statement Sunday: "The negotiation process is interrupted by political intrigues in a way that has never been experienced by a candidate country before."

Bagis added that the EU members' approach to Turkey is "neither fair nor sustainable."


http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=190063

It needs repeating: Turkey is solely responsible for the stalling of its EU accession process. Turkey merely has to fulfill its obligations to recognise the Republic of Cyprus and work constructively towards a compromise settlement.

President Christofias has recently put forward a proposal that would allow Turkey to fulfill its obligations to Cyprus and the EU, open the town of Varosha to its lawful inhabitants, speed up the peace talks and, as a result, unblock the relevant EU chapters. Turkey has refused to consider them.

It defies belief that a Turkish official can then accuse the EU of playing games with Turkey's candidacy. Do Turkish officials not understand that the accession process is being blocked by their own stupidity and belligerence? Without an end to the partition and occupation of Cyprus, Turkey cannot join the EU. Turkey must know this and yet it seems to be in a state of denial and lashes out at Europe when it should take a look at its own failings.


Turkey has no obligation to recognize a solely Greek Cypriot government as the representative of Cyprus. On the other hand, the entire world has an obligation to recognize the government of Cyprus as it describes itself in its own Constitution.
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Postby boomerang » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:05 am

Murataga wrote:
Hermes wrote:The Turks just don't get it...

Ankara: Turkish public put off by EU members' intrigues

ANKARA, Turkey — A high-placed Turkish official stated on Sunday that the Turkish public is becoming increasingly frustrated by European "political intrigues" that are stalling its EU membership bid. The statement was issued to mark the fifth anniversary of the start of the accession talks.

Turkey started negotiation in 2005 but has made little progress since then due to a dispute over Cyprus — an EU member that is divided between the ethnic Greek south and Turkish north. In addition, France and Germany have expressed opposition to its bid.

Turkey's chief EU negotiator Egemen Bagis said in a blunt statement Sunday: "The negotiation process is interrupted by political intrigues in a way that has never been experienced by a candidate country before."

Bagis added that the EU members' approach to Turkey is "neither fair nor sustainable."


http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=190063

It needs repeating: Turkey is solely responsible for the stalling of its EU accession process. Turkey merely has to fulfill its obligations to recognise the Republic of Cyprus and work constructively towards a compromise settlement.

President Christofias has recently put forward a proposal that would allow Turkey to fulfill its obligations to Cyprus and the EU, open the town of Varosha to its lawful inhabitants, speed up the peace talks and, as a result, unblock the relevant EU chapters. Turkey has refused to consider them.

It defies belief that a Turkish official can then accuse the EU of playing games with Turkey's candidacy. Do Turkish officials not understand that the accession process is being blocked by their own stupidity and belligerence? Without an end to the partition and occupation of Cyprus, Turkey cannot join the EU. Turkey must know this and yet it seems to be in a state of denial and lashes out at Europe when it should take a look at its own failings.


Turkey has no obligation to recognize a solely Greek Cypriot government as the representative of Cyprus. On the other hand, the entire world has an obligation to recognize the government of Cyprus as it describes itself in its own Constitution.


really...isn't the acceptance of a yes from cyprus for turkey getting a date for eu accesion as regognition?... :lol:

otherwise she wouldn't get a date... :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:31 am

Hermes wrote:The Turks just don't get it...

Ankara: Turkish public put off by EU members' intrigues

ANKARA, Turkey — A high-placed Turkish official stated on Sunday that the Turkish public is becoming increasingly frustrated by European "political intrigues" that are stalling its EU membership bid. The statement was issued to mark the fifth anniversary of the start of the accession talks.

Turkey started negotiation in 2005 but has made little progress since then due to a dispute over Cyprus — an EU member that is divided between the ethnic Greek south and Turkish north. In addition, France and Germany have expressed opposition to its bid.

Turkey's chief EU negotiator Egemen Bagis said in a blunt statement Sunday: "The negotiation process is interrupted by political intrigues in a way that has never been experienced by a candidate country before."

Bagis added that the EU members' approach to Turkey is "neither fair nor sustainable."


http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=190063

It needs repeating: Turkey is solely responsible for the stalling of its EU accession process. Turkey merely has to fulfill its obligations to recognise the Republic of Cyprus and work constructively towards a compromise settlement.

President Christofias has recently put forward a proposal that would allow Turkey to fulfill its obligations to Cyprus and the EU, open the town of Varosha to its lawful inhabitants, speed up the peace talks and, as a result, unblock the relevant EU chapters. Turkey has refused to consider them.

It defies belief that a Turkish official can then accuse the EU of playing games with Turkey's candidacy. Do Turkish officials not understand that the accession process is being blocked by their own stupidity and belligerence? Without an end to the partition and occupation of Cyprus, Turkey cannot join the EU. Turkey must know this and yet it seems to be in a state of denial and lashes out at Europe when it should take a look at its own failings.


Well said. Clearly points to their failure to understand. Comes from never having cultivated civilisation through peaceful means. Stuck in jungle-war mode.
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Postby Hermes » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:58 pm

Murataga wrote:
Turkey has no obligation to recognize a solely Greek Cypriot government as the representative of Cyprus.


That is not what Turkey is being asked to do. The crux of the problem has been Turkey's non-compliance with obligations set out in the 2004 Ankara Protocol, which were later included in the country's negotiating framework for EU accession.

In its progress report on Turkey, the European Commission highlighted how Ankara has not progressed on normalising bilateral relations with the Republic of Cyprus. Turkey is yet to fully implement the Additional Protocol of the Association Agreement and has not removed all obstacles to the free movement of goods, including restrictions on direct transport links with Cyprus.

Turkey's accession process has ground to a halt because Turkey sees these obligations as undermining its partitionist agenda in Cyprus. So Turkey is lashing out against the EU.

In addition, Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots have yet to face the reality that a solution in Cyprus must be in line with EU principles regarding free movement. This strikes at the heart of Turkish demands for a racially pure Turkish statelet in northern Cyprus.

The real problem for Turkey is not that the EU is blocking Turkish accession but that the EU accession process is preventing Turkey from fulfilling its goal of a permanent division of Cyprus.
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Postby B25 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:16 pm

Amen to that hermes, excellent post.

I wonder what excuses the Turks will now find to counter that.

Good on you.
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