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US Congress Adopts Urgent Sanctions Against Turkey.

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Postby Gasman » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:26 am

Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus

And they didn't even put it in quote marks!

And, just last year, Obama, in his speech to the Turkish Parliament:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-obama-turkish-parliament
Some people have asked me if I chose to continue my travels to Ankara and Istanbul to send a message to the world. And my answer is simple: Evet -- yes. (Applause.) Turkey is a critical ally. Turkey is an important part of Europe. And Turkey and the United States must stand together -- and work together -- to overcome the challenges of our time.
This morning I had the great privilege of visiting the tomb of your extraordinary founder of your republic. And I was deeply impressed by this beautiful memorial to a man who did so much to shape the course of history. But it is also clear that the greatest monument to Ataturk's life is not something that can be cast in stone and marble. His greatest legacy is Turkey's strong, vibrant, secular democracy, and that is the work that this assembly carries on today. (Applause.)
This future was not easily assured, it was not guaranteed. At the end of World War I, Turkey could have succumbed to the foreign powers that were trying to claim its territory, or sought to restore an ancient empire. But Turkey chose a different future. You freed yourself from foreign control, and you founded a republic that commands the respect of the United States and the wider world.
And there is a simple truth to this story: Turkey's democracy is your own achievement. It was not forced upon you by any outside power, nor did it come without struggle and sacrifice. Turkey draws strength from both the successes of the past, and from the efforts of each generation of Turks that makes new progress for your people.
Now, my country's democracy has its own story. The general who led America in revolution and governed as our first President was, as many of you know, George Washington. And like you, we built a grand monument to honor our founding father -- a towering obelisk that stands in the heart of the capital city that bears Washington's name. I can see the Washington Monument from the window of the White House every day.
It took decades to build. There were frequent delays. Over time, more and more people contributed to help make this monument the inspiring structure that still stands tall today. Among those who came to our aid were friends from all across the world who offered their own tributes to Washington and the country he helped to found.
And one of those tributes came from Istanbul. Ottoman Sultan Abdulmecid sent a marble plaque that helped to build the Washington Monument. Inscribed in the plaque was a poem that began with a few simple words: "So as to strengthen the friendship between the two countries." Over 150 years have passed since those words were carved into marble. Our nations have changed in many ways. But our friendship is strong, and our alliance endures.


Then it goes on for ages in much the same vein. Then he speaks about Israel, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran (not a word about Cyprus) and ends by saying:

Turkey's greatness lies in your ability to be at the center of things. This is not where East and West divide -- this is where they come together. (Applause.) In the beauty of your culture. In the richness of your history. In the strength of your democracy. In your hopes for tomorrow.
I am honored to stand here with you -- to look forward to the future that we must reach for together -- and to reaffirm America's commitment to our strong and enduring friendship. Thank you very much. (Applause.) Thank you. Thank you.


Let's see what they're saying next year eh? I am sure the Cyprob will still be an 'issue' next year.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:55 am

insan wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:If only some TCs joined the Makarios guard to help quell the Greek coup… the TCs would’ve become the heroes of Cyprus today!

It’s amazing how one wrong split-second decision can mark the rest of your life…


What??? The Hyena is attacking the Fox and this Realist(!) expects the Lamb to come to the resque.... :? :? :?


GR does not have even one iota of a brain! :lol: TCs would join Makarios' guard to help quell the Greek coup for what? To keep negotiating the minority rights for TCs after kicking the coupists in the ass? :lol:

And when the right time would come, Greece return to democracy; TCs happily would join the Makarios' caravan of Enosis with Greece? :lol:

GR, your hero Makarios and his guard were against Enosis with a Greece under military rule... They were not against Enosis with Greece... They only had to postpone their Enosis dream because neither it was in the interest of left wing, nor in the interest of Makarios to accept Enosis with Greece under the rule of a fascist dictatorship...

Get your facts right and pray/thank TCs and Turkey that for some decades you at least have had an independent so-called Cyprus Republic on 64% of Cyprus! Otherwise, Cyprus would have become a Greek island in 50s had TCs not resisted against Enosists and Turkey not come to help TCs fight/struggle against Enosists...

and you... you would have been among the Choirokittian minority supposedly struggling for an independent Cyprus just like a small minority of Cretans...

:lol:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 54&start=0



Insan your hypocritical assessment of the Cyprus problem is getting on my nerves man. What ROC president from the first day of the establishment of the Republic has asked or proclaimed enosis, unlike the Tc who betrayed the Republic betrayed Zurich and now want taksim,

And dont fall back to the coup because Greek cyps fought the coupist at the presidential palace and throughout cyprus. And to add the coup was not for enosis it was to remove Makarios from the junta point of view and for the turks a signal to invade.
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Re: US Congress Adopts Urgent Sanctions Against Turkey.

Postby lola-tulip » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:00 pm

EPSILON wrote:
lola-tulip wrote:Some shocking news for Ankara today.



U.S. Congress House of Representatives adopted a resolution on urgent protection and rescue of churches and historical places in the territories of Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

This resolution calls on U.S. President, State Secretariat, the International Committee on Religious Freedom to assume urgent sanctions against Turkey, since religious freedom is deeply exploited in the Turkish Cyprus and historical sanctuaries are ruined.




http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2010 ... ul-turqia/



"Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus." There is not such a state.


Hallo "Epsilon" or Epsilon or EPSILON :)

I see there is some kind of idiosyncratic obsession, on this forum, with the use and misuse of quotation marks.

You are an unknown forumer whichever of those terms above I choose to use, are you not? And whichever of those I use, unless there was another forumer using a particular same style, everyone would instantly know to whom I am referring. But you would still be the anonymous forumer.

The territory described by some as 'TRNC' is legitimately known as the occupied area of Cyprus, no matter what its nickname might be. It does not have recognition nor will it ever acquire. That is why Turkey pursues a negotiated retreat.
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Postby runaway » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:04 pm

Come on it's been days and I haven't seen any "urgent" sanctions yet. How urgent are they? We need another 40 years maybe???
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Postby Lit » Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:19 pm

Pro-Israel groups deny role in Cyprus bill

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/10 ... yprus-bill

October 18, 2010

WASHINGTON (JTA) -- Pro-Israel groups denied any role in passing a congressional resolution slamming Turkey for its alleged role in removing the Greek cultural presence in Northern Cyprus.

A report last week in Congressional Quarterly said the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobbied for the nonbinding resolution passed in the U.S. House of Representatives on Sept. 28 by voice vote.

Officials for all three groups denied any such role to JTA.

A spokesman for Rep. Gus Bilirakis (R-Fla.), a Greek American who initiated the legislation, would say only that "we did not seek support of any outside group, although many Jewish members of Congress cosponsored the resolution."

Four Jewish lawmakers are among the 27 sponsors. One is Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.), the powerful chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Another is Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), whose district has a strong Armenian presence and who routinely has taken on Turkey in his House career.

Another cosponsor, Rep. Shelley Berkley (D-Calif.), is of Greek-Jewish heritage. The House has more than 30 Jewish members.

The Congressional Quarterly story cast what it said was pro-Israel support for the resolution as part of deteriorating Israel-Turkey relations in the wake of the 2009 Gaza war and Israel's deadly May 31 raid on a Turkish-flagged aid flotilla attempting to breach Israel's blockade of Gaza.

Israel and Greece have enhanced ties over the summer, in part because Turkey recently canceled joint military exercises.

Bilirakis at a recent Washington conference promoting Israeli-Greek ties said such an evolution was natural, blaming Turkey for alienating both countries. But diplomats from Greece and Israel at the conference were at pains to say that enhanced ties would not be at Turkey's expense.

Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 after a coup engineered by the ultranationalist junta in power in Greece at the time. The coup had threatened to remove protections for the island's ethnic Turkish minority.

Atrocities occurred on both sides. Turkey removed Greek populations in the north, and Turks in the south moved to the Turkish enclave. The north declared independence in 1983 under Turkish protection. Only Turkey has recognized the entity.

International cultural groups have praised Cyprus for preserving Turkish cultural heritage, and have slammed Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot authorities for not doing the same in the north, where international dealers are alleged to have removed priceless Byzantine artifacts.

Bilirakis' resolution mentions only the Turkish invasion and not the coup by Greek ultranationalists. By focusing strictly on cultural heritage, it bypasses claims by both Turks and Greeks regarding recovery of civilian dead and of property.
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Postby ZoC » Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:54 pm

runaway wrote:Come on it's been days and I haven't seen any "urgent" sanctions yet. How urgent are they? We need another 40 years maybe???


runaway. you got nothing to contribute here. runalong.
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Postby runaway » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:10 pm

ZoC wrote:
runaway wrote:Come on it's been days and I haven't seen any "urgent" sanctions yet. How urgent are they? We need another 40 years maybe???


runaway. you got nothing to contribute here. runalong.


You must be the US sanctions part. We had been waiting for you south cypriot.
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Postby insan » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:23 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:
insan wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Get Real! wrote:If only some TCs joined the Makarios guard to help quell the Greek coup… the TCs would’ve become the heroes of Cyprus today!

It’s amazing how one wrong split-second decision can mark the rest of your life…


What??? The Hyena is attacking the Fox and this Realist(!) expects the Lamb to come to the resque.... :? :? :?


GR does not have even one iota of a brain! :lol: TCs would join Makarios' guard to help quell the Greek coup for what? To keep negotiating the minority rights for TCs after kicking the coupists in the ass? :lol:

And when the right time would come, Greece return to democracy; TCs happily would join the Makarios' caravan of Enosis with Greece? :lol:

GR, your hero Makarios and his guard were against Enosis with a Greece under military rule... They were not against Enosis with Greece... They only had to postpone their Enosis dream because neither it was in the interest of left wing, nor in the interest of Makarios to accept Enosis with Greece under the rule of a fascist dictatorship...

Get your facts right and pray/thank TCs and Turkey that for some decades you at least have had an independent so-called Cyprus Republic on 64% of Cyprus! Otherwise, Cyprus would have become a Greek island in 50s had TCs not resisted against Enosists and Turkey not come to help TCs fight/struggle against Enosists...

and you... you would have been among the Choirokittian minority supposedly struggling for an independent Cyprus just like a small minority of Cretans...

:lol:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 54&start=0



Insan your hypocritical assessment of the Cyprus problem is getting on my nerves man. What ROC president from the first day of the establishment of the Republic has asked or proclaimed enosis, unlike the Tc who betrayed the Republic betrayed Zurich and now want taksim,

And dont fall back to the coup because Greek cyps fought the coupist at the presidential palace and throughout cyprus. And to add the coup was not for enosis it was to remove Makarios from the junta point of view and for the turks a signal to invade.


Don't make me laugh WC! :lol: Only a bunch of GC leftists, aka so-called Resistance Fighters fought against coupists at the presidential palace...

Many GC leftists were slaughtered in many places of Southern Cyprus...

“With all evidence before me, there are two cases I see, those members of the police force who were part of the resistance (against the coup in 1974) but didn’t get promoted and those who shared the same cell with the latter during the coup but who did get promoted,” said Nicolaou.

Those that were actively involved in the resistance but didn’t get a promotion were discriminated against simply because they are members of the Democratic Rally DISY, claimed Nicolaou.

“I have all the facts, and passed them on to the Justice Minister. We are talking about soldiers, or civilians who had nothing to do with the police at the time, while others had nothing to do with the resistance at all,” he said.

Nicolaou gave an example of the bride of one person executed before 1974 and who went on to marry his brother after 1974, being given a promotion.

“She had nothing to do with the resistance against the coup. The law says there had to be personal involvement to be eligible for promotion,” he said.

The DISY deputy maintained that the list of people who were not even in the force during the coup reaches 40, including 12 pupils, 10 soldiers and 12 civilians.

Reports in yesterday’s press claimed that people who joined the force in 1982 and 1985 were also on the list.


http://beta.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/poli ... ets-bitter

Do you deny the fact that it was not in the interest of GC left to persue Enosis policy while Greece was under fascist, anti-leftist military rule?


What are these Karagoizis olaaann! :lol:

WC, it's high time for you to get rid off that Hellenic propaganda machine and get your facts right! :D
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Postby ZoC » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:36 pm

runaway wrote:
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runaway wrote:Come on it's been days and I haven't seen any "urgent" sanctions yet. How urgent are they? We need another 40 years maybe???


runaway. you got nothing to contribute here. runalong.


You must be the US sanctions part. We had been waiting for you south cypriot.


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Postby lola-tulip » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:42 pm

runaway wrote:Come on it's been days and I haven't seen any "urgent" sanctions yet. How urgent are they? We need another 40 years maybe???


No need to wait so long.

"Defence secretary Robert Gates said this week that Washington would not ask Nato member Turkey to provide new bases for missile systems."
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