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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby insan » Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:01 pm

humanist wrote:Insan
First you must acknowledge that the Cyprus problem and the current defacto situation is the consequence of some past and on going; local, regional and global events that make all concerned parties responsible/mistaken/guilty to various extends...


Insan by engaging this comment I would be doing exactly what what we have been doing for the past 35 years.

However, I would like to ask question of you ... are you happy with the current situation?


You have still been doing it anyway... In it's essential, there's no difference between your personal views and "your national cause" which was created and matured by your national front before maybe you were born...

I'm not happy with the current situation... neither in Cyprus, nor in our region even in the world... As long as everyone interpretes the international law as how it suits their interests I won't be happy...
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What is really happening?

Postby cymart » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:10 pm

The U.N and the E.U. seem to consider that if there is a convergence of views to allow a compromise on the property issue then the problem is virtually solved,despite all the negative rhetoric recently from Christophias and the local media......this is logical because the issue of guarantees and security can be dealt with at an international conference as they involve Greece,Turkey,Britain,the U.N. and now also the E.U.Britain has already confirmed it is ready to negotiate its role as guarantor as part of a solution and Greece would be glad to be rid of this liability,so Turkey will also have to be flexible about its status and any future intervention rights etc.
The big question now is whether Christophias has already planned to use Medvedevs visit here to get Russian support for a Security Council veto if the other members decide to push for an international conference later this year,in return for which Cyprus will supply the Russian government with much sought-after information on the financial activities of Russian firms operating here as part of a deal to remove Cyprus from their black-list of countries?I really hope he is not playing a dangerous game of brinkmanship to sacrifice a solution here in return for what he thinks are other advantages that will restore his popularity at home?This has happened before and from my own experience of so-called Communists in Russia and elsewhere they are very devious and wily people for whom power and control mean everything!AKEL know this only too well and I cannot imagine them risking everything for an attempt at a solution here which may not get a vote of approval at a referendum,especially with the way things are here now....So-called former Communists in Russia became capitalist businessmen overnight when the system collapsed,using often stolen assets to amass private wealth-along with the security services,now known as the F.S.B. they still form much of the corrupt elite which controls Russia today!
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Postby B25 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:37 pm

Cymart,

You cannot be serious "conference as they involve Greece,Turkey,Britain,the ...... "

It is precisely these three that caused us this problem in the first place.
Guarantors, no way, we will not accept this BS concept again. We are a modern EU member state in the 21st centuary and that my friend means no guarantors for any one.

where else in the world, EU are there guarantor powers???

Why does Cyprus always have to be dealt the shitty hand. We do not need guarantors no, no, no.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:45 pm

B25 wrote:Cymart,

You cannot be serious "conference as they involve Greece,Turkey,Britain,the ...... "

Don't waste your time with Cymart's posts... he's totally clueless. :lol:
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Postby Bananiot » Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:21 pm

So refreshing to se that GR agrees with B25. Cymart, a much bigger person than Christofias played the game of brinkmanship and look where it got us. I fear that your fears about Christofias and Russia are spot on.
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Postby humanist » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:10 pm

Insan
You have still been doing it anyway... In it's essential, there's no difference between your personal views and "your national cause" which was created and matured by your national front before maybe you were born...

I'm not happy with the current situation... neither in Cyprus, nor in our region even in the world... As long as everyone interpretes the international law as how it suits their interests I won't be happy...


Thank you.
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If only Bananiot and myself will turn out to be wrong......

Postby cymart » Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:28 pm

but in Cyprus you just have to expect the worst decisions by those in power.......if only we could send them to the Gulag to learn a few lessons!
Actually Medvedev is not such a bad guy and he is not one of the former K.G.B. creeps like Putin is but of course he has no more actual power in Russia than Eroglu does in the north!
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Postby EricSeans » Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:36 pm

humanist wrote:It's time for Britain to do the right thing and release the bases back to the RoC, pressuring Turkey to accept the proposal put forth by Christofias to free Famagusta and start the redevelopment immediately in order to create atmosphere of trust in view of Unification as a BBF. It is time for Turkey to immediately halve the troops stationed in Cyprus, in view and as good will gesture toward Unification as BBF. It is time that the EU tied a solution to the Cyprus Problem with Turkey's accession to the Union.

I think we cannot change the past but we can move forward. The sooner Turkey frees Cyprus the sooner she'll make it to the EU.

However, Germany and France would like to use Cyprus because they have the need to remain a little open minded despite they not want to be lol

I can't believe the Cyprus Problem is as complex not to be solved after the Union of Germany lol


Not to stray too far off-topic, but if the Brits do pull out of the bases they had better do a good job of securing the line between the north and Dhekilia before they leave. It's criminal how few warnings have been posted up there about how close to danger civilians are. Walking around Achna and Vrysoulles can be potentially lethal to anyone who isn't a local. The Turkish squaddies are practically in your face and are apt to try and abduct you over what pathetic excuse for a wire there is. At least the UN make the buffer zone clear.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:38 pm

B25 wrote:Cymart,

You cannot be serious "conference as they involve Greece,Turkey,Britain,the ...... "

It is precisely these three that caused us this problem in the first place.
Guarantors, no way, we will not accept this BS concept again. We are a modern EU member state in the 21st centuary and that my friend means no guarantors for any one.

where else in the world, EU are there guarantor powers???

Why does Cyprus always have to be dealt the shitty hand. We do not need guarantors no, no, no.


So we are just to accept your demand? Why? its the 21st century wont cut it, we need a system that will stop anyone doing anything stupid from both sides.
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Postby B25 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:29 am

Viewpoint wrote:
B25 wrote:Cymart,

You cannot be serious "conference as they involve Greece,Turkey,Britain,the ...... "

It is precisely these three that caused us this problem in the first place.
Guarantors, no way, we will not accept this BS concept again. We are a modern EU member state in the 21st centuary and that my friend means no guarantors for any one.

where else in the world, EU are there guarantor powers???

Why does Cyprus always have to be dealt the shitty hand. We do not need guarantors no, no, no.


So we are just to accept your demand? Why? its the 21st century wont cut it, we need a system that will stop anyone doing anything stupid from both sides.


perhaps so, but Guarantors is not the answer. The GCs will not go through that again.
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