by insan » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:11 am
boomerang wrote:true so you gotta wonder which are the fools the turkish fm is addressing then with his double standards...
by Kikapu » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:24 am
insan wrote:Kikapu wrote:insan wrote:
Boomy, before I ask why Azerbaycan government hasn't recognized KKTC; you must ask yourself why haven't Kazak and Kırgız governments recognized TRNC...
Every state has it's own reason not to recognize the TRNC... For many of them, especially for China and Russia the main reason is not to fuel the seperatist movements in their own country...
For some others, a united Cyprus and the reconciled GCs, TCs, Turks and Greeks is a vital need for the stability of NATO thus adavancing the global policies of western world...
When the most powerful/influential countries are against anything, it is not in the interest of the weaker countries to officially support it because they are fed by west and stay in power...
On the other hand, Azerbaycan-Armenian dispute has nothing to do with Cyprus problem...
Insan, Insan, Insan,
Why would Russia and China want to see a stable NATO.??
Why not recognise the "trnc" and create an unstable NATO if what you say is true. Surely, China and Russia would love to see a unstable NATO, if it meant by them just recognising an insignificant place like the "trnc".!
Are you not putting just a little bit too much importance on the "trnc" stock as being a "world stabilizer" by remaining unrecognized in order to prevent the next WWIII.??
If so, then there goes VP's dream of a recognized north sometime in the future.!For many of them, especially for China and Russia the main reason is not to fuel the seperatist movements in their own country...
Kikapu, Kikapu, Kikapu! Most of the times you don't/can't? read what I've written...Where in my post I said China and Russia wanted to see a stable NATO?
In the past, by supporting/collaborating with the strong GC left wing and the weaker TC left wing in direction of the interests of communist block, Russia succeeded to "destabilize" the two communities of Cyprus...
A reconciled, united and "servant" of West type of Cyprus, Turks and Greeks is not in the interest of Russia nad China either... The status-quo in Cyprus best suits them...
Until when? The next world catastrophe...
For some others, a united Cyprus and the reconciled GCs, TCs, Turks and Greeks is a vital need for the stability of NATO thus adavancing the global policies of western world...
by boomerang » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:58 am
insan wrote:boomerang wrote:true so you gotta wonder which are the fools the turkish fm is addressing then with his double standards...
As I've always reiterated, there isn't much similarities between Turkey's Kurdish problem and the Cyprus problem... An ultra-superficial and ultra-biased look on the Cyprus problem is nothing else than an attempt like comparing watermelon with melon...
by insan » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:26 pm
boomerang wrote:insan wrote:boomerang wrote:true so you gotta wonder which are the fools the turkish fm is addressing then with his double standards...
As I've always reiterated, there isn't much similarities between Turkey's Kurdish problem and the Cyprus problem... An ultra-superficial and ultra-biased look on the Cyprus problem is nothing else than an attempt like comparing watermelon with melon...
insan, you think we are fools?...the turkish fm is spouting about azeri territorial integrity and other territorial integrities while she is occupying another country...got it...
i guess you must be one of the fools she is addressing, coz anyone with half a brain can see through the bullshit he is sprouting...
nice diverting tactics by the way, but unfortunately for you i ain't no fool...
by insan » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:29 pm
Kikapu wrote:insan wrote:Kikapu wrote:insan wrote:
Boomy, before I ask why Azerbaycan government hasn't recognized KKTC; you must ask yourself why haven't Kazak and Kırgız governments recognized TRNC...
Every state has it's own reason not to recognize the TRNC... For many of them, especially for China and Russia the main reason is not to fuel the seperatist movements in their own country...
For some others, a united Cyprus and the reconciled GCs, TCs, Turks and Greeks is a vital need for the stability of NATO thus adavancing the global policies of western world...
When the most powerful/influential countries are against anything, it is not in the interest of the weaker countries to officially support it because they are fed by west and stay in power...
On the other hand, Azerbaycan-Armenian dispute has nothing to do with Cyprus problem...
Insan, Insan, Insan,
Why would Russia and China want to see a stable NATO.??
Why not recognise the "trnc" and create an unstable NATO if what you say is true. Surely, China and Russia would love to see a unstable NATO, if it meant by them just recognising an insignificant place like the "trnc".!
Are you not putting just a little bit too much importance on the "trnc" stock as being a "world stabilizer" by remaining unrecognized in order to prevent the next WWIII.??
If so, then there goes VP's dream of a recognized north sometime in the future.!For many of them, especially for China and Russia the main reason is not to fuel the seperatist movements in their own country...
Kikapu, Kikapu, Kikapu! Most of the times you don't/can't? read what I've written...
In the past, by supporting/collaborating with the strong GC left wing and the weaker TC left wing in direction of the interests of communist block, Russia succeeded to "destabilize" the two communities of Cyprus...
A reconciled, united and "servant" of West type of Cyprus, Turks and Greeks is not in the interest of Russia nad China either... The status-quo in Cyprus best suits them...
Until when? The next world catastrophe...
I understood very well what you said, so lets take it from the top, because it seem like you did not understand what you wrote.!
I highlighted in my post in which you said;For some others, a united Cyprus and the reconciled GCs, TCs, Turks and Greeks is a vital need for the stability of NATO thus adavancing the global policies of western world...
Meaning, that if there were to be a recognition of the "trnc" by anyone in NATO (west), it would cause a unstable NATO, so my question to you was, if recognition of the "trnc" would cause such a unstable NATO, why wouldn't then China and Russia recognise the "trnc" to create an unstable NATO.? Surely, such a recognition by them would cause a great friction between Turkey and Greece, wouldn't it.?? So the question is, why doesn't Chine and Russia recognize the "trnc" to cause instability within NATO members.??
Or are you saying, if only those members within NATO should recognise the "trnc" it would cause a unstable NATO, but not if anyone else outside of NATO does it.! But Turkey is a NATO member and recognizes the "trnc" (after creating it), so where is the instability of NATO.??
by Kikapu » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:27 pm
insan wrote:Kikapu wrote:insan wrote:Kikapu wrote:insan wrote:
Boomy, before I ask why Azerbaycan government hasn't recognized KKTC; you must ask yourself why haven't Kazak and Kırgız governments recognized TRNC...
Every state has it's own reason not to recognize the TRNC... For many of them, especially for China and Russia the main reason is not to fuel the seperatist movements in their own country...
For some others, a united Cyprus and the reconciled GCs, TCs, Turks and Greeks is a vital need for the stability of NATO thus adavancing the global policies of western world...
When the most powerful/influential countries are against anything, it is not in the interest of the weaker countries to officially support it because they are fed by west and stay in power...
On the other hand, Azerbaycan-Armenian dispute has nothing to do with Cyprus problem...
Insan, Insan, Insan,
Why would Russia and China want to see a stable NATO.??
Why not recognise the "trnc" and create an unstable NATO if what you say is true. Surely, China and Russia would love to see a unstable NATO, if it meant by them just recognising an insignificant place like the "trnc".!
Are you not putting just a little bit too much importance on the "trnc" stock as being a "world stabilizer" by remaining unrecognized in order to prevent the next WWIII.??
If so, then there goes VP's dream of a recognized north sometime in the future.!For many of them, especially for China and Russia the main reason is not to fuel the seperatist movements in their own country...
Kikapu, Kikapu, Kikapu! Most of the times you don't/can't? read what I've written...
In the past, by supporting/collaborating with the strong GC left wing and the weaker TC left wing in direction of the interests of communist block, Russia succeeded to "destabilize" the two communities of Cyprus...
A reconciled, united and "servant" of West type of Cyprus, Turks and Greeks is not in the interest of Russia nad China either... The status-quo in Cyprus best suits them...
Until when? The next world catastrophe...
I understood very well what you said, so lets take it from the top, because it seem like you did not understand what you wrote.!
I highlighted in my post in which you said;For some others, a united Cyprus and the reconciled GCs, TCs, Turks and Greeks is a vital need for the stability of NATO thus adavancing the global policies of western world...
Meaning, that if there were to be a recognition of the "trnc" by anyone in NATO (west), it would cause a unstable NATO, so my question to you was, if recognition of the "trnc" would cause such a unstable NATO, why wouldn't then China and Russia recognise the "trnc" to create an unstable NATO.? Surely, such a recognition by them would cause a great friction between Turkey and Greece, wouldn't it.?? So the question is, why doesn't Chine and Russia recognize the "trnc" to cause instability within NATO members.??
Or are you saying, if only those members within NATO should recognise the "trnc" it would cause a unstable NATO, but not if anyone else outside of NATO does it.! But Turkey is a NATO member and recognizes the "trnc" (after creating it), so where is the instability of NATO.??
The answer is simple Kikapu... Keeping their own country stable is much more important than making NATO unstable by recognizing the TRNC... They have other ways and methods that are much preferable to create instability in NATO... currently the "currency wars" is the most popular one...
by boomerang » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:27 pm
insan wrote:boomerang wrote:insan wrote:boomerang wrote:true so you gotta wonder which are the fools the turkish fm is addressing then with his double standards...
As I've always reiterated, there isn't much similarities between Turkey's Kurdish problem and the Cyprus problem... An ultra-superficial and ultra-biased look on the Cyprus problem is nothing else than an attempt like comparing watermelon with melon...
insan, you think we are fools?...the turkish fm is spouting about azeri territorial integrity and other territorial integrities while she is occupying another country...got it...
i guess you must be one of the fools she is addressing, coz anyone with half a brain can see through the bullshit he is sprouting...
nice diverting tactics by the way, but unfortunately for you i ain't no fool...
Boomy... for you and those who have the same perspective and similar or common interests; that's the situation but not for us and those who have the same perspective and have similar or common interests like us...
This is what anyone with half a brain can see in such articles you posted and such claims you've put forth...
Turkish FM: Armenia Should Withdraw From Occupied-Lands Of Azerbaijan
Wednesday, 29 September 2010
If Armenia really stands for peace and stability in the Caucasus, it should withdraw from the occupied Azerbaijani territory, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said in New York, the Cihan news agency reported.
"Everyone must respect the territorial integrity of another country, and sooner or later, relations between Baku and Yerevan will have to return to normal," Davutoglu said adding that restoration of the Azerbaijani-Armenian relations remain as the main condition for normalizing relations between Armenia and Turkey.
Davutoglu said the Yerevan- Ankara protocols on establishing diplomatic relations signed in Zurich in October 2009are still in force.
The conflict between the two South Caucasus countries began in 1988 when Armenia made territorial claims against Azerbaijan. Armenian armed forces have occupied 20 percent of Azerbaijan since 1992, including the Nagorno-Karabakh region and 7 surrounding districts.
Azerbaijan and Armenia signed a ceasefire agreement in 1994. The co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group - Russia, France, and the U.S. - are currently holding the peace negotiations.
Armenia has not yet implemented the U.N. Security Council's four resolutions on the liberation of the Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding regions.
Davutoglu called on the Armenian lobby abroad to stop impeding peace in the region, by speculating the events of 1915, which Armenians deliberately present as "genocide."
"Do not close the doors that opened for establishing peace, and do not blame Turkey in this," -Davutoglu said.
Turkey seeks to improve relations with all the Armenians residing in different countries, but not exclusively with the authorities in Yerevan, because both people - the Turkish and Armenian - historically lived side by side, he said.
Davutoglu named as unacceptable the falsification of the events of the past century, which Armenians present as "genocide" equating it with the obliteration of the Jewish people in Europe - the Holocaust.
"No Turkish city has and never had the Armenian ghetto. The events of 1915 affected both parties - the Turkish and Armenian, so the spread propaganda [of the Armenian genocide] is false. If the Turks were guilty of "genocide", then how we should name the extermination of the Turkic peoples in the Caucasus and the Balkans. It is necessary to hear all sides, "Davutoglu said.
Davutoglu said Turkey is not satisfied with the situation of neighboring Armenia, which is deteriorating day by day.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/108007/turkish-fm-armenia-should-withdraw-from-occupied-lands-of-azerbaijan-.html
Turkish FM: Armenia Should Withdraw From Occupied-Lands Of Azerbaijan
If turkey really stands for peace and stability in the cyprus, it should withdraw from the occupied cypriot territory, says the UN and EU.
"Everyone must respect the territorial integrity of another country, and sooner or later, relations between cyprus and turkey will have to return to normal," UN and EU said adding that resolutions of the cyprus-turkey relations remain as the main condition for normalizing relations between cyprus and turkey.
The conflict between the cyprus and turkey began in 1974 when turkey made territorial claims against cyprus. turkish armed forces have occupied 37 percent of cyprus since 1974, including the 55% of beachfront.
cyprus and turkey signed a ceasefire agreement in 1974. The co-chairs of the UN and EU are currently holding the peace negotiations.
turkey has not yet implemented the U.N. Security Council's many resolutions on the liberation of cyprus
UN called on turkey to stop impeding peace in the region.
"Do not close the doors that opened for establishing peace, and do not blame cyprus in this," -UN and EU said.
by boomerang » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:31 pm
Kikapu wrote:insan wrote:Kikapu wrote:insan wrote:Kikapu wrote:insan wrote:
Boomy, before I ask why Azerbaycan government hasn't recognized KKTC; you must ask yourself why haven't Kazak and Kırgız governments recognized TRNC...
Every state has it's own reason not to recognize the TRNC... For many of them, especially for China and Russia the main reason is not to fuel the seperatist movements in their own country...
For some others, a united Cyprus and the reconciled GCs, TCs, Turks and Greeks is a vital need for the stability of NATO thus adavancing the global policies of western world...
When the most powerful/influential countries are against anything, it is not in the interest of the weaker countries to officially support it because they are fed by west and stay in power...
On the other hand, Azerbaycan-Armenian dispute has nothing to do with Cyprus problem...
Insan, Insan, Insan,
Why would Russia and China want to see a stable NATO.??
Why not recognise the "trnc" and create an unstable NATO if what you say is true. Surely, China and Russia would love to see a unstable NATO, if it meant by them just recognising an insignificant place like the "trnc".!
Are you not putting just a little bit too much importance on the "trnc" stock as being a "world stabilizer" by remaining unrecognized in order to prevent the next WWIII.??
If so, then there goes VP's dream of a recognized north sometime in the future.!For many of them, especially for China and Russia the main reason is not to fuel the seperatist movements in their own country...
Kikapu, Kikapu, Kikapu! Most of the times you don't/can't? read what I've written...
In the past, by supporting/collaborating with the strong GC left wing and the weaker TC left wing in direction of the interests of communist block, Russia succeeded to "destabilize" the two communities of Cyprus...
A reconciled, united and "servant" of West type of Cyprus, Turks and Greeks is not in the interest of Russia nad China either... The status-quo in Cyprus best suits them...
Until when? The next world catastrophe...
I understood very well what you said, so lets take it from the top, because it seem like you did not understand what you wrote.!
I highlighted in my post in which you said;For some others, a united Cyprus and the reconciled GCs, TCs, Turks and Greeks is a vital need for the stability of NATO thus adavancing the global policies of western world...
Meaning, that if there were to be a recognition of the "trnc" by anyone in NATO (west), it would cause a unstable NATO, so my question to you was, if recognition of the "trnc" would cause such a unstable NATO, why wouldn't then China and Russia recognise the "trnc" to create an unstable NATO.? Surely, such a recognition by them would cause a great friction between Turkey and Greece, wouldn't it.?? So the question is, why doesn't Chine and Russia recognize the "trnc" to cause instability within NATO members.??
Or are you saying, if only those members within NATO should recognise the "trnc" it would cause a unstable NATO, but not if anyone else outside of NATO does it.! But Turkey is a NATO member and recognizes the "trnc" (after creating it), so where is the instability of NATO.??
The answer is simple Kikapu... Keeping their own country stable is much more important than making NATO unstable by recognizing the TRNC... They have other ways and methods that are much preferable to create instability in NATO... currently the "currency wars" is the most popular one...
Oh really.!!
So now it's about "currency wars" with China and Russia against NATO, is it.?
Well, that's partly true. In fact, any country who can export more goods than imports, can benefit from a devalued currency, and China and Russia are such countries, but why not try and make NATO unstable at the same time by recognizing the "trnc".? It would be like "having your cake and eating it too", wouldn't it.?
But you have not told us yet, in case you thought I had forgotten about it, as to why Turkey who created and recognizes the "trnc", and that there are no instability happening within NATO, but would be if others within or outside NATO does it.??
Come on tell us, Insan. I'm all ears.!
by insan » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:31 pm
Second, learn to respect the others thoughts in a civilised manner otherwise you are just a big, bad smelling fart that heard, smellt and disgusted...
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