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Postby CBBB » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:39 am

MrH wrote:My FACTS are the REALITIES on the island my Greek Cypriot Nationalists.

The Cyprus issue is a UNITED NATIONS matter and not one of the EU. The EU knew what it was getting into when they wrongly accepted an "Island in Conflict".

Also, let's keep NATO out of it as Turkey is clearly more favoured than Greece and Greek Cyprus.

Turkey has NO guarantee that it will EVER become an EU member state, besides the Cyprus issue France, Germany and a few others will always use other reasons to block Turkey's EU entry. Therefore, forget about using Cyprus as an obsticle to Turkey's EU entry. The reality is very different than your GC fiction.

There's only one reality and that is the EU must assist in rectifying its mistake of letting the GCs representing the entire island as the situation at ground level is very different indeed.

You can all gang up on a Turkish Cypriot all you want, but that will never dismiss the realities on the island, the fact that Christofias will have to always sit around a table with his Constitutional partner Mr Eroglu and the Cyprus problem will never be solved, and Turkey will not become an EU member state, until a Confederal deal is signed.

Good luck in you Brain washing!


At least we have brains to wash!
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Postby MrH » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:02 am

Sorry for the typo errors guys, I'm writing this with my crap Blackberry device - should have got an iPhone!

One last point I forgot to mention is, Turkiye is only OBLIGED to recognise the current Greek Cypriot administered Cyprus (EU member) as the representatives of the entire island if it accepts and dismisses the TRNC and the entire history of the island's Turkish Cypriot struggle since 1963. Will it do that, of course not, and will it give it all up just to pass a few chapters as part of its EU entry, only the GCs are blinded by this scenario.

The truth is, the EU is responsible in solving the Cyprus issue, probably the same way it chose to recognise Kosovo besides deep Greek and even Russian objections.

However, there's one important factor the GCs dismiss concerning Turkey's EU application and that is the following: TURKEY NO LONGER WANTS TO BECOME AN EU MEMBER.

Funny that! In that case, you can throw your so called EU obligation theory of Turkey having to meet an EU criteria out of the window. Either Turkey gets what it wants, or it ALSO knows, as well as the hungry EU, that it will never become an EU member state.

Come on GCs, we are not that stupid!
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Postby CBBB » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:35 am

MrH wrote:Sorry for the typo errors guys, I'm writing this with my crap Blackberry device - should have got an iPhone!

One last point I forgot to mention is, Turkiye is only OBLIGED to recognise the current Greek Cypriot administered Cyprus (EU member) as the representatives of the entire island if it accepts and dismisses the TRNC and the entire history of the island's Turkish Cypriot struggle since 1963. Will it do that, of course not, and will it give it all up just to pass a few chapters as part of its EU entry, only the GCs are blinded by this scenario.

The truth is, the EU is responsible in solving the Cyprus issue, probably the same way it chose to recognise Kosovo besides deep Greek and even Russian objections.

However, there's one important factor the GCs dismiss concerning Turkey's EU application and that is the following: TURKEY NO LONGER WANTS TO BECOME AN EU MEMBER.

Funny that! In that case, you can throw your so called EU obligation theory of Turkey having to meet an EU criteria out of the window. Either Turkey gets what it wants, or it ALSO knows, as well as the hungry EU, that it will never become an EU member state.

Come on GCs, we are not that stupid!


You started this thread by saying Turkey would open its Ports to RoC traffic and now you're saying it won't, can't you make your mind up?
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Postby Me Ed » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:50 am

I'm still waiting for a link!
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Postby boomerang » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:54 am

MrH wrote:However, there's one important factor the GCs dismiss concerning Turkey's EU application and that is the following: TURKEY NO LONGER WANTS TO BECOME AN EU MEMBER.


it seems someone is talking from their behind...not only turkey wants to join, but is having wetdreams about it... :lol:

One day Turkey will run the EU

28 September 2010 Die Presse Vienna
Hassan Bleibel, Al Mustaqbal (Beirut)

Turkey isn’t even a member yet, but deputy prime minister Ali Babacan is already demanding a leading role in Europe for his country. All you have to do is look at Turkey's economic and demographic growth to see it's likely to get what it wants, says Die Presse

Wolfgang Böhm
"When Turkey becomes a member of the EU, it is not going to be in a secondary position, that's one of the reasons why countries like Germany and France are quite nervous about our membership," Turkish vice-premier Ali Babacan declared at a World Leadership Forum in New York during the recent UN plenary session.

And Turkey’s claim to a leading role in the EU is based on hard facts. With economic growth set to hit 7% this year, near-inexhaustible human resources, and mounting clout as a hub of international oil and gas pipelines, Turkey has recently moved into the European fast lane.

At present, Turkey is the 17th biggest economy in the world. Experts predict that in 20 years it will make the top ten, outstripping countries like Spain and Italy. According to forecasts by the IIASA (International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis) and the Vienna Institute of Demography, the Turkish population will be around 85.5 million by then – surpassing Germany, now the most populous nation in the EU.

If Turkey were to be admitted into the EU despite resistance from countries like Austria, Germany and France, it would dominate policy in the EU institutions. Even as things are today, Turkey would be the second biggest political force in the European Parliament and on an equal footing with the heavyweights on the EU Council.

Although the EU power structure will have to be gradually adjusted under the rules of the Lisbon Treaty, not much would change for Turkey. By dint of its rapid demographic growth, Ankara’s influence would actually increase, since the number of seats in Parliament and the new representation ratios in the Council will essentially be based on population size.

Given its size, Turkey could not only push EU decisions through with ease, it would also be able to block those that are not to its liking. The Lisbon Treaty provides that as of 2014, countries whose combined populations exceed 35% of the EU population may constitute a blocking minority. That means Ankara could join forces with, say, London, Madrid and Warsaw to thwart any step backed by Paris and Berlin – which would jam the prevailing German-French axis.

What would change politically in the event of Turkish accession? With Turkey on board, European diplomats say, EU foreign and security policy would be even more heavily US-geared. In matters of commerce, Ankara would probably favour free trade more than the EU members do now. Ankara would, in all likelihood, get behind efforts to cooperate more closely on internal security – even while downplaying certain civil rights such as the protection of private data.

Babacan argued in New York that letting Turkey in would boost the EU’s standing on the world scene. “The weight of the European economy in the world has shrunk and will continue to shrink. And only with enlargement will the EU be able to protect its power and influence."

An opinion seconded by Gerhard Schröder in Die Welt’s online edition. “Without Turkey the EU will sink into mediocrity,” writes the Social Democrat ex-chancellor, pointing to the rapid pace of growth there: this year alone the Turkish economy will grow four times as much as the French and twice as much as the German economy. Schröder expects Turkey to be the fourth or fifth biggest European economy in 20 years. Then there will be no ignoring it.

http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/348111-one-day-turkey-will-run-eu
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:04 am

MrH wrote:Sorry for the typo errors guys, I'm writing this with my crap Blackberry device - should have got an iPhone!

One last point I forgot to mention is, Turkiye is only OBLIGED to recognise the current Greek Cypriot administered Cyprus (EU member) as the representatives of the entire island if it accepts and dismisses the TRNC and the entire history of the island's Turkish Cypriot struggle since 1963. Will it do that, of course not, and will it give it all up just to pass a few chapters as part of its EU entry, only the GCs are blinded by this scenario.

The truth is, the EU is responsible in solving the Cyprus issue, probably the same way it chose to recognise Kosovo besides deep Greek and even Russian objections.

However, there's one important factor the GCs dismiss concerning Turkey's EU application and that is the following: TURKEY NO LONGER WANTS TO BECOME AN EU MEMBER.

Funny that! In that case, you can throw your so called EU obligation theory of Turkey having to meet an EU criteria out of the window. Either Turkey gets what it wants, or it ALSO knows, as well as the hungry EU, that it will never become an EU member state.

Come on GCs, we are not that stupid!


"The truth is, the EU is responsible in solving the Cyprus issue, probably the same way it chose to recognise Kosovo besides deep Greek and even Russian objections."


The EU Body does not recognise Kosovo. I'm surprised a "brilliant journalist" such as you claim to be does not know that.! :roll:

"TURKEY NO LONGER WANTS TO BECOME AN EU MEMBER."


So why doesn't she just withdraw her application, or is it the fact that she can't become a member under her demands. Granted, it's bad enough for Turkey to become a EU member under the most ideal circumstances, but she has no where to go at the present time, least of all with the Cyprus issue being a thorn at her side and digging in deep, from this little island against a giant. How humiliating must that be for Turkey, specially not even being able to stop the RoC from becoming a EU member in the first place by the so called "guarantor power". Yes I know, the Annan plan was going to be the "magic carpet" for Turkey who had invested all her hopes in getting all she wanted from the EU but was dashed away with the OXI from the GCs after she was outfoxed by Tassos Papadopoulos. Now Turkey has become the "Whipping Boy" for the EU because of Cyprus issue, no matter how much Turkey want's to join the EU club, her biggest hurdle is going to be the RoC. The EU is not going to do anything to "correct" anything, because nothing needs correcting with the Cyprus issue and the EU.!
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Postby bigOz » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:59 am

Turkish application cannot be dismissed by subsequent governments independently! A pending - ongoing application is awaiting a response - to which there will be a referendum if ever there is a positive response.

I SAID ALMOST A YEAR AGO AND I SAY IT AGAIN!
As things stand Turkish public are very aware of the economic state of sick EU. They are also very aware of the anti-Turkish feeling in general. More importantly they do not believe EU will ever treat them fairly after they accepted (in spite) countries with worse economies than that of Turkiye! i.e. Bulgaria, Romania, Poland etc...

Recent opinion polls in Turkey support that, if there ever will be a referendum it will definitely end up in a major NO to EU membership. After all what possible economic or political good can EU bring to Turkiye which has hardly been touched by the latest recession and currently has one of the strongest economies compared with the rest of EU members! The state of neighbouring Greek economy does not set up a very encouraging example either! :roll:
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:14 pm

bigOz wrote:Turkish application cannot be dismissed by subsequent governments independently! A pending - ongoing application is awaiting a response - to which there will be a referendum if ever there is a positive response.

I SAID ALMOST A YEAR AGO AND I SAY IT AGAIN!
As things stand Turkish public are very aware of the economic state of sick EU. They are also very aware of the anti-Turkish feeling in general. More importantly they do not believe EU will ever treat them fairly after they accepted (in spite) countries with worse economies than that of Turkiye! i.e. Bulgaria, Romania, Poland etc...

Recent opinion polls in Turkey support that, if there ever will be a referendum it will definitely end up in a major NO to EU membership. After all what possible economic or political good can EU bring to Turkiye which has hardly been touched by the latest recession and currently has one of the strongest economies compared with the rest of EU members! The state of neighbouring Greek economy does not set up a very encouraging example either! :roll:


Can we please look at the real economic growth of Turkey, adjusted to inflation and not all this "voodoo economics" that's being inflated to bolsters Turkey's so called "economic greatness". Turkey's average GDP growth for the last 4+ years since 2006, adjusted to inflation, is 0.68%!

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http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economi ... Symbol=TRY
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:28 pm

Kikapu wrote:
bigOz wrote:Turkish application cannot be dismissed by subsequent governments independently! A pending - ongoing application is awaiting a response - to which there will be a referendum if ever there is a positive response.

I SAID ALMOST A YEAR AGO AND I SAY IT AGAIN!
As things stand Turkish public are very aware of the economic state of sick EU. They are also very aware of the anti-Turkish feeling in general. More importantly they do not believe EU will ever treat them fairly after they accepted (in spite) countries with worse economies than that of Turkiye! i.e. Bulgaria, Romania, Poland etc...

Recent opinion polls in Turkey support that, if there ever will be a referendum it will definitely end up in a major NO to EU membership. After all what possible economic or political good can EU bring to Turkiye which has hardly been touched by the latest recession and currently has one of the strongest economies compared with the rest of EU members! The state of neighbouring Greek economy does not set up a very encouraging example either! :roll:


Can we please look at the real economic growth of Turkey, adjusted to inflation and not all this "voodoo economics" that's being inflated to bolsters Turkey's so called "economic greatness". Turkey's average GDP growth for the last 4+ years since 2006, adjusted to inflation, is 0.68%!

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http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economi ... Symbol=TRY


Nice chart. Now, can we see the same charts for EU countries - not all of them but some of the best and some of the worst, please?
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:44 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
bigOz wrote:Turkish application cannot be dismissed by subsequent governments independently! A pending - ongoing application is awaiting a response - to which there will be a referendum if ever there is a positive response.

I SAID ALMOST A YEAR AGO AND I SAY IT AGAIN!
As things stand Turkish public are very aware of the economic state of sick EU. They are also very aware of the anti-Turkish feeling in general. More importantly they do not believe EU will ever treat them fairly after they accepted (in spite) countries with worse economies than that of Turkiye! i.e. Bulgaria, Romania, Poland etc...

Recent opinion polls in Turkey support that, if there ever will be a referendum it will definitely end up in a major NO to EU membership. After all what possible economic or political good can EU bring to Turkiye which has hardly been touched by the latest recession and currently has one of the strongest economies compared with the rest of EU members! The state of neighbouring Greek economy does not set up a very encouraging example either! :roll:


Can we please look at the real economic growth of Turkey, adjusted to inflation and not all this "voodoo economics" that's being inflated to bolsters Turkey's so called "economic greatness". Turkey's average GDP growth for the last 4+ years since 2006, adjusted to inflation, is 0.68%!

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http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economi ... Symbol=TRY


Nice chart. Now, can we see the same charts for EU countries - not all of them but some of the best and some of the worst, please?


I gave you the link, so do it yourself.! :D

By the way, I gave you an out of date chart before. Here is the up dated one.

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http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economi ... Symbol=TRY
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