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[boulio]

i think his numbers are correct in 1960 the population of kyrenia was as follows:

2,373-GC
696-T/C
9-Maronites

his arguments about not many returning maybe correct however that is not the point.Why would someone form pafos one day if he decided to buy a house in kyrenia not be aloowed to.THere is the problem that LOUCAS and Bananoit dont understand if cyprus is to be united and in the EU the three freedoms of the EU can not be supplanted especially on a ethnic basis.

[Viewpoint]

They would be free to do so but once the quota was reached they would no longer have voting rights in the north state and have to vote in their state of origin.

[boulio]

i think viewpoint that voting rights are a broad statement.voting rights for who and what exactley?

For the federal senate i can understand yes to safegurad federalism but why cant a greek cypriot not vote for the mayor of kyrenia?or even for municpal counsels and for members of the house of represetitives?

[Kikapu]

They would be free to do so but once the quota was reached they would no longer have voting rights in the north state and have to vote in their state of origin.

Can they also stop paying taxes in the north for anything, from income tax to property tax to road tax and instead pay their taxes in the south, since that's where they will be voting. "No taxing without representation". With no taxation to the GCs, you will find half of all the GCs in Cyprus will be living in the north while the TCs will support them with their taxes. Are you still up for it.??

In any case, the EU will never go for your plan and neither would the GCs. Your best bet as I've told you many times is to reduce the size of the northern state by 50% and then you can have your wish in maintaining the north being mostly TCs as well as being Democratic and Human Rights protected.!

[humanist]

VP what if their State of origin is the north

How are the leaders going to achieve a democracy if those born in the TC State have GC ancestry is that discriminating against portions of population based on ethnicity? How will the fit with EU law of all EU citizens have equal rights?

[Viewpoint]

i think viewpoint that voting rights are a broad statement.voting rights for who and what exactley?

For the federal senate i can understand yes to safegurad federalism but why cant a greek cypriot not vote for the mayor of kyrenia?or even for municpal counsels and for members of the house of represetitives?

You are right on a local level it would not be so much of a problem as they would be serving the community but on a federal level and as to not allow the balance of power to tip in favor of the GCs a pan election could be held to guarantee the original structure agreed by both sides.

[Viewpoint]

They would be free to do so but once the quota was reached they would no longer have voting rights in the north state and have to vote in their state of origin.

Can they also stop paying taxes in the north for anything, from income tax to property tax to road tax and instead pay their taxes in the south, since that's where they will be voting. "No taxing without representation". With no taxation to the GCs, you will find half of all the GCs in Cyprus will be living in the north while the TCs will support them with their taxes. Are you still up for it.??

In any case, the EU will never go for your plan and neither would the GCs. Your best bet as I've told you many times is to reduce the size of the northern state by 50% and then you can have your wish in maintaining the north being mostly TCs as well as being Democratic and Human Rights protected.!

Think federal level and the imbalance that would occur, local elections and taxation are not a big issue if a GC has a main home in the south and a holiday home in the north then they would pay taxes due on the holiday home to the north state and other taxes would go to the south state where his main residence and source of income occur.

[Viewpoint]

VP what if their State of origin is the north

How are the leaders going to achieve a democracy if those born in the TC State have GC ancestry is that discriminating against portions of population based on ethnicity? How will the fit with EU law of all EU citizens have equal rights?

Again I will repeat local election are not so much of a problem as they will be serving their local community but how do we keep the balance at federal level so as not to give the GCs the upper hand and the power to abuse it, we cannot leave things to chance. Federal elections can be conducted country wide on a first past the post basis of pre agreed TC and GC MPs.

[Oracle]

They would be free to do so but once the quota was reached they would no longer have voting rights in the north state and have to vote in their state of origin.

Can they also stop paying taxes in the north for anything, from income tax to property tax to road tax and instead pay their taxes in the south, since that's where they will be voting. "No taxing without representation". With no taxation to the GCs, you will find half of all the GCs in Cyprus will be living in the north while the TCs will support them with their taxes. Are you still up for it.??

In any case, the EU will never go for your plan and neither would the GCs. Your best bet as I've told you many times is to reduce the size of the northern state by 50% and then you can have your wish in maintaining the north being mostly TCs as well as being Democratic and Human Rights protected.!

Think federal level and the imbalance that would occur local elections and taxation ar enot a big issue if a GC has a main hom in the south and a holiday home in the north then they would pay any taxes due on the holiday home and other taxes would go to the south state where his main residence and work place is.

Why don't you take your "holiday home" ideology to Butlins Camps and leave the running of the country to the RoC!

[wyoming cowboy]

They would be free to do so but once the quota was reached they would no longer have voting rights in the north state and have to vote in their state of origin.

ideas like yours vp smack into the ideal of aparteid, what do you mean someone can live somewhere on the island and not be able to vote, get out of the stone age and into the modern western world...

Not only are you advocating aparteid but also economic control, because even if the Gc can live in the tc constituent state they cannot buy land or start a business....this was shown and written throughout the annan plan. Regardless of not being able to vote or buy and start a business,,,,Your people are advocating that a gc living in the tc constituent state cannot take his case above the state supreme court, therefore the tc state can pass a law forbiding gc from pissing in the same toilet as the tc and the gc is powerless to fight for his/her rights