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Postby boomerang » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:45 am

Turkey remembers mosque bombings after general’s confession

The bombing of two mosques in the Turkish part of Cyprus in 1962 might have been carried out by Turkish Armed Forces, revealed a retired general who inadvertently confessed to ordering the burning of a mosque as part of psychological warfare operations in 1974.

In remarks published by Haber Türk daily on Wednesday, Gen. Sabri Yirmibeşoğlu, who led the Special War Department in 1971 and also worked to mobilize civilian resistance during Turkey's military intervention on Cyprus in 1974, said: “In Special War, certain acts of sabotage are staged and blamed on the enemy to increase public resistance.


We did this on Cyprus; we even burnt down a mosque.” In response to the surprised correspondent’s incredulous look the general said, “I am giving an example,” in an attempt to clear things up.

In the interview with Habertürk Yirmibeşoğlu was responding to allegations from Ahmet Özal, son of Turkey’s 8th President Turgut Özal, that Yirmibeşoğlu was behind a failed assassination attempt on his father’s life.

The Taraf daily in an attempt to guess what mosque this could have been, remember the 1962 bombing of the Bayraktar and Ömeriye mosques. Both mosques were very important to Turkish Cypriots. The Bayraktar mosque’s minaret was severely damaged in the explosion and a shrine of Bayraktar -- the flag bearer who died during Cyprus’ conquering by the Ottomans in 1570 – was also damaged.

The incident had caused major outrage at the time. The Greeks had denied any involvement, with the Greek Cypriot Interior Ministry releasing a statement that accused the Turks fort he bombings.

Meanwhile, there were also two journalists Ahmet Muzaffer Gürkan (38) and Ayhan Hikmet (35) who shared the suspicion. Their newspaper wrote about the controversy on the front page. In its Apr. 23 1962 issue, the newspaper said they would announce the real perpetrator of the bombings. Both men were killed on the same day. Gürkan was killed around 8.30 pm with an automatic weapon as he entered his house. Ayhan Hikmet was killed the same night after midnight with a hunting rifle in his bed right before his wife.

In 2005, Hıfsiye Hikmet – the daughter of Ayhan Hikmet – told Turkish Cypriot journalist Sevgül Uludağ that she had no doubts that her father was killed by a Turk. “They killed him so he wouldn’t be able to disclose who bombed the mosque. They said they would announce it in their new issue.” She also said as a child she remembered family elders talking about her father’s killer being Turkish and not Greek.

Meanwhile, the founding president of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) Rauf Denktaş said that EOKA member Yorgacis had claimed to have evidence that can prove that the bomb was detonated by Turks. He said a cross investigation was started, but there was no evidence indicating that Turkish soldiers planted the bomb.

The retired general and the Special War Department unit he led are s also believed to have wide-ranging information concerning many alleged crimes and activities of behind-the-scene organizations such as JİTEM. This unit and Yirmibeşoğlu are implicated in the Sept. 6-7, 1955 pogrom in İstanbul against minorities, which today is widely believed to have been part of a manipulative plan concocted by Ergenekon-like structures.

Yirmibeşoğlu has admitted that the Sept. 6-7 events were organized by the Special War Department, documented by journalist Fatih Güllapoğlu in his book “Operation with No Tanks or Arms.” In the book, Yirmibeşoğlu is quoted as saying, “Sept. 6-7 is the work of Special War [department], and it is a spectacular organization.” However, he later denied this.

The Turkish Armed Forces’ Special War Department is also believed to be responsible for Turkey’s Bloody Mayday, when 34 died after unknown assailants opened fire on large crowds celebrating Labor Day in the Taksim Square. The 1978 Maraş and 1980 Çorum pogroms against Alevis in these towns are also believed to be the work of this unit. The Sivas massacre of 1993 July 12 – when 36 writers visiting Sivas with atheist writer Aziz Nesin were burnt to death in their hotel by an angry religious fundamentalist mob – is also believed to have been organized by the Special War Department or other similar units inside the military.

A document seized in an Ergenekon related investigation that was also included in the indictment sheds light to the workings of the Special Warp Department. The report, drafted by members of the military plotting to coup d’état, says that some fake operations should be staged in order to keep the people on the “resistance” front. The document is now included as evidence in the indictment against some naval officers who stand accused of having plotted to assassinate two admirals.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-222633-100-turkey-remembers-mosque-bombings-after-generals-confession.html


[b]We did this on Cyprus; we even burnt down a mosque.” In response to the surprised correspondent’s incredulous look the general said, “I am giving an example,” in an attempt to clear things up.[/b


more to come?...can't wait for the next instalment...

a far cry from ataturks, peace at home, peace in the world, by these so-called kemalists...

end of the day it was a landgrab and not a rescue as the tcs like to dream...as proven above the turks never gave a continental regarding their own citizens...why would they worry about the tcs?...
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Postby samarkeolog » Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:00 am

lola-tulip wrote:Dear Mr Big Oz., please explain to me why if the Greeks were destroying "100 mosques" in that time, this Turkish General felt the need to come and bomb/arson just one mosque? Was it for good measure?

What difference would one more mosque make if indeed the Greeks destroyed hundreds in that time?

Are you not concerned about the lack of logic in what you believe?


As others have pointed out, Bayraktar and Omeriye were bombed in 1962. Before Christmas 1963, both sides' "secret armies" were trying to restart the conflict.

Given there was already information about false flag attacks on two mosques, this guy's confession to one isn't very important in itself. However, it is further confirmation that TMT was run by the Turkish deep state.

As for some people's chatter about this being proof of Turkey's eternal imperial dreams, this is nothing of the sort. This is proof of the strategy of the Turkish deep state - which is neither the Turkish community, nor the Turkish state. (Obviously, it's not the Turkish Cypriot community or administration either.)

The Turkish and Turkish Cypriot communities have struggled against the Turkish deep state in Turkey and Cyprus. This news should prove that the Greek, Greek Cypriot, Turkish, and Turkish Cypriot communities are not each other's enemies.

Undemocratic, right-wing organisations in those three countries have been fighting each other - and making their communities fight each other - for more than half a century. The communities' only - and shared - enemies are the deep states.

As long as the communities continue to fight each other, they will continue to fight. Only when the communities fight against the deep states will they have a chance at peace.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:01 am

insan wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:Interesting thread, a few years ago the turkish actor came out on
turk tv and stated he executed 10 Gc prisoners of war, now this general is admitting Turks burned their own mosques in order to incite violence, which falls in line with Denktash's admission of bombing Tc police stations for the same reasons.......Turkey is preparing its population for a major policy change on Cyprus, and admiting their complicity on incitement and barbarity during the 74 invasion it will cushion the blow of withdrawing its troops from
Cyprus.....These things are not coincidences by any means


A great analysis indeed! Soon your dreams will come true! :lol: Nice to see you began liking Turkey because some Turks say what you wish to hear... :wink:

The secret of getting the sympathy of some of the Greeks and GCs is to tell them the things they like to hear... or give them a chance to base their propaganda on it in order to justify their ridiculous claims... :lol:



Insan you are visionless......You are used to being spoon fed what to think and know, The whole world has changed since the 60's , hippies dont exist anymore they are the leaders of the western world, the push up bra has been replaced with Victorias Secret BioBra, Most of the world carries a telephone wherever they go, Satellites can guide you to the street you want to be on, The Internet lets anyone communicate with another person from any country in the world randomnly or selectively, Turkey's geopolitical interests have changed, Get out of the cellar of the stolen Gc property you live and hide in, and face the modern western world...... and also put down those blackeyed peas and renga and go out and find yourself a nice Pizza Hut or
Taco Bell
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:57 am

...indeed, Turkey has no better way to force Europe's hand, it is a win win situation; Europe grants membership, what else can it do, and if she refuses, europes pays again. Turkey looses nothing and gains Interntional recognition; Occidental or Islamic.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:58 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, Turkey has no better way to force Europe's hand, it is a win win situation; Europe grants membership, what else can it do, and if she refuses, europe pays again. Turkey looses nothing and gains Interntional recognition; Occidental or Islamic.
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Postby Gasman » Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:00 am

The whole world has changed since the 60's , hippies dont exist anymore they are the leaders of the western world, the push up bra has been replaced with Victorias Secret BioBra, Most of the world carries a telephone wherever they go, Satellites can guide you to the street you want to be on, The Internet lets anyone communicate with another person from any country in the world randomnly or selectively,


Yes, it's amazing! All that and ... you still can't put toilet paper down the pan in Cyprus lol!

Makes you wonder what visiting foreign dignitaries think. And makes me smile when I read some calling for Cyprus to be chosen as an international games venue!
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Postby nick dimitri » Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:44 am

What is good for the goose is good for the gander as the phrase says.
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Postby miltiades » Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:21 am

Gasman wrote:
The whole world has changed since the 60's , hippies dont exist anymore they are the leaders of the western world, the push up bra has been replaced with Victorias Secret BioBra, Most of the world carries a telephone wherever they go, Satellites can guide you to the street you want to be on, The Internet lets anyone communicate with another person from any country in the world randomnly or selectively,


Yes, it's amazing! All that and ... you still can't put toilet paper down the pan in Cyprus lol!

Makes you wonder what visiting foreign dignitaries think. And makes me smile when I read some calling for Cyprus to be chosen as an international games venue!

Mate when I was growing up in Cyprus we never had loo paper , come to think of we never even had ...a loo, down a hole mate !!
Progress has indeed been made in Cyprus over the last 50 or so years , seems like yesterday !!!!
Where have all my years gone , I need to feel young again !!!!
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:04 am

Gasman wrote:Yes, it's amazing! All that and ... you still can't put toilet paper down the pan in Cyprus lol!

Those of us who managed the building of our houses ourselves used 4” pipes throughout and thus don’t have any toilet paper problems.

Ignorant and incompetent buyers (mainly Brits) encourage ignorant and incompetent builders/developers.
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Postby AWE » Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:46 am

samarkeolog wrote:
lola-tulip wrote:Dear Mr Big Oz., please explain to me why if the Greeks were destroying "100 mosques" in that time, this Turkish General felt the need to come and bomb/arson just one mosque? Was it for good measure?

What difference would one more mosque make if indeed the Greeks destroyed hundreds in that time?

Are you not concerned about the lack of logic in what you believe?


As others have pointed out, Bayraktar and Omeriye were bombed in 1962. Before Christmas 1963, both sides' "secret armies" were trying to restart the conflict.

Given there was already information about false flag attacks on two mosques, this guy's confession to one isn't very important in itself. However, it is further confirmation that TMT was run by the Turkish deep state.

As for some people's chatter about this being proof of Turkey's eternal imperial dreams, this is nothing of the sort. This is proof of the strategy of the Turkish deep state - which is neither the Turkish community, nor the Turkish state. (Obviously, it's not the Turkish Cypriot community or administration either.)

The Turkish and Turkish Cypriot communities have struggled against the Turkish deep state in Turkey and Cyprus. This news should prove that the Greek, Greek Cypriot, Turkish, and Turkish Cypriot communities are not each other's enemies.

Undemocratic, right-wing organisations in those three countries have been fighting each other - and making their communities fight each other - for more than half a century. The communities' only - and shared - enemies are the deep states.

As long as the communities continue to fight each other, they will continue to fight. Only when the communities fight against the deep states will they have a chance at peace.


Hear hear!
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