insan wrote:bill cobbett wrote:insan wrote:bill cobbett wrote:boomerang wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:That BOTH sides did such despicable acts to the other is never in question...To take this admission and use it to absolve one side of all their wrongs is mindless stupidity,to say the least...And to use this admission to condemn an entire nation as GR did is a serious cognitive distortion issue associated with mental illness...GR...Take Alan's advice please and stay on your medication...There is a good boy!
Mr spin missed the point...
doing terrible things to each other is understandable, not condonable...this little relevation is not about blowing up a mosque, is further proof the turks had their eye on cyprus long ago, and the pretext they came to save the tcs is hogwash...
similar tactics in 1955...riot mentality and feeding the chooks with mis-information...
surely one has to ask...what else have they done apart from blowing up a mosque?
Well part of the answer to Boomer's question may be in the link that Insan gave us yesterday...
http://human-rights-archaeology.blogspo ... -1963.html (perhaps not the most credible of sources, but as Insan cited it, he should follow it up).
Did ask Insan to give us a tally of the incidents reported there, but am still waiting.
Bill, I've clearly made my point regarding my post... imo, it's pointless to give you a tally of the incidents... Why? What difference does it make? The extremists and their leaderships did such activities as many times as they thought it was required in order to reach their goal...
Such tactics were used all around the world during those times under the similar circumstances...
I condemn every action that target the innocent human life but on the other hand have the ability to analyze issues in their own special circumstances... This does not mean I'm trying to excuse the actions of TMT, EOKA or EOKA-B... yes, even EOKA-B... Once i tried to examine and analyze the actions of EOKA-B in frame of criminology...
...cos you me old china... along with a few others are putting up the usual smoke-screen, the usual pollocks.... that both sides did it, isn't that what you and some others are saying?... trying to mislead all in putting up a pretence that you can't see the diff between a long and deliberate Turkish State Sponsored campaign of Terrorist and Provocative False Flag Ops from the late '50s and lasting several years, designed to stir up trouble, to bring fear in to peoples' lives, to lead to segregated Turkish Exclaves, ..... with the ultimate aim to give dodgy grounds for Intervention and Invasion???????
You gave us the link Insan...... Now go back to it and give us the tally... or else I'll do it for you.
Feel free to do whatever you wish Bill... what was Greece doing while Turkey was doing what you suggested above? Organizing the GCs for Enosis even long before the Turks began organizing TCs for Taksim? If it was TCs who asked Taksim just before or long before GCs asked Enosis I maybe would tally the incidents for you for whatever purpose you need it...
I'm not saying GCs were guilty/mistaken asking for Enosis with Greece but obviously trying trying to examine the issue in a causal link... if you want me to elaborate the false flag operation/covert strike/covert operations in a causal link, ok i could do it...
Just tell me what should Turkey do in the 50s and afterwards? She should leave TCs to their fate just like Creatan and Rhodes Turks?
What common interests have TCs had with the GCs who were asking and fighting for Enosis? Should TCs join the ranks of Grivas to fight for Enosis? Weren't then the TC leadership and the TC intelligentsia aware of the bad fate of Creatan and Rhodes Turks? Weren't they aware of the historical hostility between the Turks and Greeks?
How do you expect TCs to accept minority status or Enosis with Greece under such circumstances...
I've made a similar analysis for the Greek/GC actions that carried out since the Greek independence war...
Bill you are wasting my time... please learn thinking and examining the events in a dialectical logic...
My dear Insan, you talk of logic... yet logic should come with a consistency of argument that is lacking in your posts above..... if you have a series of logical, unbroken steps to prove an orchestrated campaign of false-flag ops by your opponents, one step leading logically to the next step to prove some grander plan, than please post it cos at the mo you are still resorting to the usual desperate measures of throwing in the usual smokescreens of Enosis, GC Actions, minority, majority, ... bananaorities... which must say are very unconvincing, ...... next you're in danger of resorting to Big Mak, Agritas, thousands of tissies thrown alive down wells 63-74, Tissy-owned LCA, stubbed my toe this morning so it must be the fault of a greek-speaker etc etc........
Nice to see you began liking Turkey because some Turks say what you wish to hear... 
