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[Gasman]

http://news.google.co.uk/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&topic=w&ict=ln

UN experts have determined that the Israeli raid on a so-called peace flotilla was overly violent and totally illegal.
UN experts have determined that the Israeli raid on a so-called peace flotilla was overly violent and totally illegal.

The Human Rights Council has said Israel's military response to the Gaza aid sail was "disproportionate and brutal," violating international law.

The special UN panel said there was now clear evidence to support prosecutions against Israel for wilful killing and torture.

In its scathing report, the panel rejected an argument by Israel that activists on the aid ship had turned violent, thereby justifying the actions of Israeli soldiers when they opened fire.

The UN Human Rights Council panel said Israel's military had used unnecessary violence to commit grave violations of human rights law and international humanitarian law.

It said that the Israeli shootings were "consistent with summary execution."

A 56-page document released by the UN says that Israel's naval blockade of the Palestinian territory was also unlawful because of the humanitarian crisis there.

[link to the whole world news webpage - so GR can see that, yet again, nowhere is Cyprus mentioned! Despite his insistence it is in the world news 'every day']

[Gasman]

The Grauniad
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/22/gaza-flotilla-un-condemns-israeli-brutality

The panel concluded that there was "clear evidence" of wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment and wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health – all crimes under the Geneva Convention.

The panel expressed the hope that there would be "swift action" by the Israeli government to help victims achieve effective remedies. "The mission sincerely hopes that no impediment will be put in the way of those who suffered loss as a result of the unlawful actions of the Israeli military to be compensated adequately and promptly," it said. It described the blockade of Gaza as "totally intolerable and unacceptable in the 21st century".

The Telegraph

The conduct of the Israeli military and other personnel towards the flotilla passengers was not only disproportionate to the occasion but demonstrated levels of totally unnecessary and incredible violence," the report said.

The Independent

Israel refused to co-operate with the Human Rights Council team and was swift last night in dismissing its conclusions. The Council "blamed Israel prior to the investigation and it is no surprise that they condemn after," said Andy David, a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry. Israel contends that when the violence broke out on the Marvi Marmara, one of the ships in the flotilla that had come from Turkey, its soldiers were acting in self-defence.

Israel "knows how to investigate itself," a Foreign Ministry statement said. "That is how Israel has always acted, and that is the way in which investigations were conducted following Operation Cast Lead, launched to protect the inhabitants of southern Israel from attacks carried out by Hamas from Gaza."

[Milo]

Israel "knows how to investigate itself," a Foreign Ministry statement said. "That is how Israel has always acted,

Quite how they think that the world was going to listen anymore to their reasoning of events once THEY investigated themselves, God only knows.

But they are right about one thing this is how they always act.

Their blatant disregard for other nations is imo going to be the start of another war in the future, with Israel thats almost certain.

[Paphitis]

Israel "knows how to investigate itself," a Foreign Ministry statement said. "That is how Israel has always acted,

Quite how they think that the world was going to listen anymore to their reasoning of events once THEY investigated themselves, God only knows.

But they are right about one thing this is how they always act.

Their blatant disregard for other nations is imo going to be the start of another war in the future, with Israel thats almost certain.

Good!

That's exactly what the region needs!

Let's have this war between Israel, Iran, and Islamic Turkey (???)!

This is exactly what wee Cyprus needs!
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I hope the Israelis really fuck Turkiye ten times over!

[CyprusNewsReport]

Israel "knows how to investigate itself," a Foreign Ministry statement said. "That is how Israel has always acted,

Quite how they think that the world was going to listen anymore to their reasoning of events once THEY investigated themselves, God only knows.

But they are right about one thing this is how they always act.

Their blatant disregard for other nations is imo going to be the start of another war in the future, with Israel thats almost certain.

Good!

That's exactly what the region needs!

Let's have this war between Israel, Iran, and Islamic Turkey (???)!

This is exactly what wee Cyprus needs!
\
I hope the Israelis really fuck Turkiye ten times over!

You really have an appetite for war, don't you. Ever heard of crossfire? Wee Cyprus is right in the middle of that lot; do you imagine that a regional war would not affect the island? The consequences at the very least would be thousands of refugees running to Cyprus. At the worst it would be war-activated Turkish troops on the island pointing their guns at their perceived enemies - as I don't need to spell out to you, Cyprus becoming more overtly friendly with Israel makes us their ally - and Turkey's enemy twice over!

Your hatred blinds you to destructive consequences

[Paphitis]

Israel "knows how to investigate itself," a Foreign Ministry statement said. "That is how Israel has always acted,

Quite how they think that the world was going to listen anymore to their reasoning of events once THEY investigated themselves, God only knows.

But they are right about one thing this is how they always act.

Their blatant disregard for other nations is imo going to be the start of another war in the future, with Israel thats almost certain.

Good!

That's exactly what the region needs!

Let's have this war between Israel, Iran, and Islamic Turkey (???)!

This is exactly what wee Cyprus needs!
\
I hope the Israelis really fuck Turkiye ten times over!

You really have an appetite for war, don't you. Ever heard of crossfire? Wee Cyprus is right in the middle of that lot; do you imagine that a regional war would not affect the island? The consequences at the very least would be thousands of refugees running to Cyprus. At the worst it would be war-activated Turkish troops on the island pointing their guns at their perceived enemies - as I don't need to spell out to you, Cyprus becoming more overtly friendly with Israel makes us their ally - and Turkey's enemy twice over!

Your hatred blinds you to destructive consequences

That's the idea! And war is (potentially) our only salvation!

This is the only language Turkey understands!

Not having a war and negotiating will be far more destructive to all future generations! This is the reality!

[CyprusNewsReport]

Israel "knows how to investigate itself," a Foreign Ministry statement said. "That is how Israel has always acted,

Quite how they think that the world was going to listen anymore to their reasoning of events once THEY investigated themselves, God only knows.

But they are right about one thing this is how they always act.

Their blatant disregard for other nations is imo going to be the start of another war in the future, with Israel thats almost certain.

Good!

That's exactly what the region needs!

Let's have this war between Israel, Iran, and Islamic Turkey (???)!

This is exactly what wee Cyprus needs!
\
I hope the Israelis really fuck Turkiye ten times over!

You really have an appetite for war, don't you. Ever heard of crossfire? Wee Cyprus is right in the middle of that lot; do you imagine that a regional war would not affect the island? The consequences at the very least would be thousands of refugees running to Cyprus. At the worst it would be war-activated Turkish troops on the island pointing their guns at their perceived enemies - as I don't need to spell out to you, Cyprus becoming more overtly friendly with Israel makes us their ally - and Turkey's enemy twice over!

Your hatred blinds you to destructive consequences

That's the idea! And war is (potentially) our only salvation!

This is the only language Turkey understands!

Not having a war and negotiating will be far more destructive to all future generations! This is the reality!

This is your reality, not mine. War is not salvation, it is dead bodies, disease, ruined communities, ignorance, fear and should be the last resort, not a regional strategic game playing with our futures.

[CyprusNewsReport]

Israel "knows how to investigate itself," a Foreign Ministry statement said. "That is how Israel has always acted,

Quite how they think that the world was going to listen anymore to their reasoning of events once THEY investigated themselves, God only knows.

But they are right about one thing this is how they always act.

Their blatant disregard for other nations is imo going to be the start of another war in the future, with Israel thats almost certain.

It's sad that they are taking this road, and they should know better given their past experience. Two wrongs never make a right, just more wrongs.

[Get Real!]

[link to the whole world news webpage - so GR can see that, yet again, nowhere is Cyprus mentioned! Despite his insistence it is in the world news 'every day']

Why did you have to make a fool of yourself with this?

You must now prove your allegation or apologize! Idiot!

[Paphitis]

Israel "knows how to investigate itself," a Foreign Ministry statement said. "That is how Israel has always acted,

Quite how they think that the world was going to listen anymore to their reasoning of events once THEY investigated themselves, God only knows.

But they are right about one thing this is how they always act.

Their blatant disregard for other nations is imo going to be the start of another war in the future, with Israel thats almost certain.

Good!

That's exactly what the region needs!

Let's have this war between Israel, Iran, and Islamic Turkey (???)!

This is exactly what wee Cyprus needs!
\
I hope the Israelis really fuck Turkiye ten times over!

You really have an appetite for war, don't you. Ever heard of crossfire? Wee Cyprus is right in the middle of that lot; do you imagine that a regional war would not affect the island? The consequences at the very least would be thousands of refugees running to Cyprus. At the worst it would be war-activated Turkish troops on the island pointing their guns at their perceived enemies - as I don't need to spell out to you, Cyprus becoming more overtly friendly with Israel makes us their ally - and Turkey's enemy twice over!

Your hatred blinds you to destructive consequences

That's the idea! And war is (potentially) our only salvation!

This is the only language Turkey understands!

Not having a war and negotiating will be far more destructive to all future generations! This is the reality!

This is your reality, not mine. War is not salvation, it is dead bodies, disease, ruined communities, ignorance, fear and should be the last resort, not a regional strategic game playing with our futures.

Did the allies negotiate with Hitler! Can you negotiate with Iran? Can you negotiate with the Taliban or Al Qaeda? No you can not!

Imagine the allies attempting to negotiate with Hitler's Germany in 1942! Imagine the US/AUS negotiating with Japan in 1942.

The Turkish proposals will only polarise our more fanatical elements down the track. And whilst our current Government is a pack of sissies trying to negotiate with a fascist occupation regime and expect justice (how stupid can you get?) today, it will not be the case in the future, because this nonsense will only pave the way for someone who speaks the same lingo and so you better watch out!

There is no justice negotiating with fascists. This will only lead to Turkification and the eventual end of GCs on Cyprus!