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Why doesn't the EU and the rest of the world help Cyprus?

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Postby Oracle » Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:11 pm

AlanwithoneL wrote:
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Lit wrote:http://usa.greekreporter.com/2010/09/17/new-cyprus-ambassador-to-the-us-presented-his-credentials-to-president-obama/

Posted on 17 September 2010

At a formal ceremony that was held yesterday at the Whitehouse, Mr Pavlos Anastasiades presented his credentials to the President of the United States of America Mr Barak Obama, as the new Ambassador of the Republic of Cyprus to the USA.

In his written address, the Ambassador referred to the excellent bilateral relations between Cyprus and the United States of America on a wide spectrum of sectors and the importance of strengthening and further enlarging cooperation between the two countries on the bilateral level, as well as on regional and international issues. In this framework the Ambassador underlined the commitment of Cyprus to the preservation and promotion of mutual democratic principles and values, stressing that Cyprus will continue to constitute a trustworthy partner in this effort.

Regarding the Cyprus problem Mr Anastasiades reiterated the President of the Republic’s commitment to achieving a solution on the basis of the United Nations Security Council resolutions and the High Level Agreements, which provide for a solution of bizonal, bicommunal federation, with a single sovereignty, a single citizenship and a single international personality. He also stressed that the process of the direct negotiations must remain under Cypriot ownership and without the imposition of timeframes or arbitration and underlined that the President of the Republic demonstrated again, with the set of proposals he recently submitted, his good will and his resoluteness in speeding up the process of the solution of the Cyprus problem, in the framework of the direct negotiations. He also pointed out the very important role of Turkey and called on the United States of America to exercise their influence on it, so that a solution can be achieved, the soonest possible, which is mutually beneficial and serves the best interests of all.

In his written reply, President Obama referred to the historic, as he described them, bonds between the USA and Cyprus, and expressed the wish to work for the enlargement and enhancement of the two countries’ bilateral relations and for the promotion of the common values that govern them. He stated at the same time that the arrival of the new Ambassador coincides with the “special milestone” of the 50 year anniversary of the Republic of Cyprus and 50 years since the establishment of diplomatic relations between Cyprus and the USA. Also referring to the multi-faceted cooperation between the USA and Cyprus, the US President described the Republic of Cyprus as “valued partner” of the USA on a plethora of issues.

With regard to the Cyprus issue, President Obama expressed the United States’ support for the Cyprus ownership, as he called them, negotiations for the reunification of Cyprus, noting that the island’s division has lasted for too long. In this framework, the US President praised the President of the Republic for his courageous and resolute efforts for the solution of the Cyprus problem and expressed the wish for the achievement of a just and viable solution, which will reunite the island on the basis of a bizonal bicommunal federation.


Totally meaningless Lit. Empty words spoken by politicians everyday around the world. All talk no action. Are you aware of the number of years that this has now been going for?


Obama's words are "meaningless" ? But, Viewpoint's rants impress you? :lol:


What, you take Obama seriously? why you poor thing. Of course I take local opinion and information seriously. I take threats from Get Real, Paphitis, Sotos, yourself and B25 so serious that I would laterally s**t myself if Turkey was ever to pull out of Cyprus.


Hmm ... I thought you lived in the UK? :?

I can see why you're bluffing regarding Obama's significance! :wink:


I'm speaking for all TC's. Be being in the UK is irrelevant, I want security for my country whether I'm permanently there or not.


Turkey's fine! Don't fret!

So, care to explain why you are hiding behind another country's flag?

Oh, BTW ... this other country (UK), you hide behind, is an ally of Obama, you know, the man whose words are not as important as Viewpoint's! :lol:
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Postby AlanwithoneL » Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:27 pm

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AlanwithoneL wrote:
Oracle wrote:
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Lit wrote:http://usa.greekreporter.com/2010/09/17/new-cyprus-ambassador-to-the-us-presented-his-credentials-to-president-obama/

Posted on 17 September 2010

At a formal ceremony that was held yesterday at the Whitehouse, Mr Pavlos Anastasiades presented his credentials to the President of the United States of America Mr Barak Obama, as the new Ambassador of the Republic of Cyprus to the USA.

In his written address, the Ambassador referred to the excellent bilateral relations between Cyprus and the United States of America on a wide spectrum of sectors and the importance of strengthening and further enlarging cooperation between the two countries on the bilateral level, as well as on regional and international issues. In this framework the Ambassador underlined the commitment of Cyprus to the preservation and promotion of mutual democratic principles and values, stressing that Cyprus will continue to constitute a trustworthy partner in this effort.

Regarding the Cyprus problem Mr Anastasiades reiterated the President of the Republic’s commitment to achieving a solution on the basis of the United Nations Security Council resolutions and the High Level Agreements, which provide for a solution of bizonal, bicommunal federation, with a single sovereignty, a single citizenship and a single international personality. He also stressed that the process of the direct negotiations must remain under Cypriot ownership and without the imposition of timeframes or arbitration and underlined that the President of the Republic demonstrated again, with the set of proposals he recently submitted, his good will and his resoluteness in speeding up the process of the solution of the Cyprus problem, in the framework of the direct negotiations. He also pointed out the very important role of Turkey and called on the United States of America to exercise their influence on it, so that a solution can be achieved, the soonest possible, which is mutually beneficial and serves the best interests of all.

In his written reply, President Obama referred to the historic, as he described them, bonds between the USA and Cyprus, and expressed the wish to work for the enlargement and enhancement of the two countries’ bilateral relations and for the promotion of the common values that govern them. He stated at the same time that the arrival of the new Ambassador coincides with the “special milestone” of the 50 year anniversary of the Republic of Cyprus and 50 years since the establishment of diplomatic relations between Cyprus and the USA. Also referring to the multi-faceted cooperation between the USA and Cyprus, the US President described the Republic of Cyprus as “valued partner” of the USA on a plethora of issues.

With regard to the Cyprus issue, President Obama expressed the United States’ support for the Cyprus ownership, as he called them, negotiations for the reunification of Cyprus, noting that the island’s division has lasted for too long. In this framework, the US President praised the President of the Republic for his courageous and resolute efforts for the solution of the Cyprus problem and expressed the wish for the achievement of a just and viable solution, which will reunite the island on the basis of a bizonal bicommunal federation.


Totally meaningless Lit. Empty words spoken by politicians everyday around the world. All talk no action. Are you aware of the number of years that this has now been going for?


Obama's words are "meaningless" ? But, Viewpoint's rants impress you? :lol:


What, you take Obama seriously? why you poor thing. Of course I take local opinion and information seriously. I take threats from Get Real, Paphitis, Sotos, yourself and B25 so serious that I would laterally s**t myself if Turkey was ever to pull out of Cyprus.


Hmm ... I thought you lived in the UK? :?

I can see why you're bluffing regarding Obama's significance! :wink:


I'm speaking for all TC's. Be being in the UK is irrelevant, I want security for my country whether I'm permanently there or not.


Turkey's fine! Don't fret!

So, care to explain why you are hiding behind another country's flag?

Oh, BTW ... this other country (UK), you hide behind, is an ally of Obama, you know, the man whose words are not as important as Viewpoint's! :lol:


I'm glad Turkey is fine but my real home is Cyprus and I care for Cyprus 1000 times more than I care for Turkey. UK is now my adopted country, hence the Union Jack.

I have more respect for Obama than I ever had for Bush but it doesn't alter the fact that he is a politician and we all know about politicians.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:29 pm

AlanwithoneL wrote:
Oracle wrote:
AlanwithoneL wrote:
Oracle wrote:
AlanwithoneL wrote:
Oracle wrote:
AlanwithoneL wrote:
Lit wrote:http://usa.greekreporter.com/2010/09/17/new-cyprus-ambassador-to-the-us-presented-his-credentials-to-president-obama/

Posted on 17 September 2010

At a formal ceremony that was held yesterday at the Whitehouse, Mr Pavlos Anastasiades presented his credentials to the President of the United States of America Mr Barak Obama, as the new Ambassador of the Republic of Cyprus to the USA.

In his written address, the Ambassador referred to the excellent bilateral relations between Cyprus and the United States of America on a wide spectrum of sectors and the importance of strengthening and further enlarging cooperation between the two countries on the bilateral level, as well as on regional and international issues. In this framework the Ambassador underlined the commitment of Cyprus to the preservation and promotion of mutual democratic principles and values, stressing that Cyprus will continue to constitute a trustworthy partner in this effort.

Regarding the Cyprus problem Mr Anastasiades reiterated the President of the Republic’s commitment to achieving a solution on the basis of the United Nations Security Council resolutions and the High Level Agreements, which provide for a solution of bizonal, bicommunal federation, with a single sovereignty, a single citizenship and a single international personality. He also stressed that the process of the direct negotiations must remain under Cypriot ownership and without the imposition of timeframes or arbitration and underlined that the President of the Republic demonstrated again, with the set of proposals he recently submitted, his good will and his resoluteness in speeding up the process of the solution of the Cyprus problem, in the framework of the direct negotiations. He also pointed out the very important role of Turkey and called on the United States of America to exercise their influence on it, so that a solution can be achieved, the soonest possible, which is mutually beneficial and serves the best interests of all.

In his written reply, President Obama referred to the historic, as he described them, bonds between the USA and Cyprus, and expressed the wish to work for the enlargement and enhancement of the two countries’ bilateral relations and for the promotion of the common values that govern them. He stated at the same time that the arrival of the new Ambassador coincides with the “special milestone” of the 50 year anniversary of the Republic of Cyprus and 50 years since the establishment of diplomatic relations between Cyprus and the USA. Also referring to the multi-faceted cooperation between the USA and Cyprus, the US President described the Republic of Cyprus as “valued partner” of the USA on a plethora of issues.

With regard to the Cyprus issue, President Obama expressed the United States’ support for the Cyprus ownership, as he called them, negotiations for the reunification of Cyprus, noting that the island’s division has lasted for too long. In this framework, the US President praised the President of the Republic for his courageous and resolute efforts for the solution of the Cyprus problem and expressed the wish for the achievement of a just and viable solution, which will reunite the island on the basis of a bizonal bicommunal federation.


Totally meaningless Lit. Empty words spoken by politicians everyday around the world. All talk no action. Are you aware of the number of years that this has now been going for?


Obama's words are "meaningless" ? But, Viewpoint's rants impress you? :lol:


What, you take Obama seriously? why you poor thing. Of course I take local opinion and information seriously. I take threats from Get Real, Paphitis, Sotos, yourself and B25 so serious that I would laterally s**t myself if Turkey was ever to pull out of Cyprus.


Hmm ... I thought you lived in the UK? :?

I can see why you're bluffing regarding Obama's significance! :wink:


I'm speaking for all TC's. Be being in the UK is irrelevant, I want security for my country whether I'm permanently there or not.


Turkey's fine! Don't fret!

So, care to explain why you are hiding behind another country's flag?

Oh, BTW ... this other country (UK), you hide behind, is an ally of Obama, you know, the man whose words are not as important as Viewpoint's! :lol:


I'm glad Turkey is fine but my real home is Cyprus and I care for Cyprus 1000 times more than I care for Turkey. UK is now my adopted country, hence the Union Jack.

I have more respect for Obama than I ever had for Bush but it doesn't alter the fact that he is a politician and we all know about politicians.


That they are less important than Viewpoint?

BTW, I'm sure the UK is grateful you have adopted her, but you can't also claim Cyprus.

All in all, you sound rather fickle ....
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Postby Gasman » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:34 am

Lets get one thing straight here boy. Palestine is in the news EVERY DAY. When was the last time Cyprus was mentioned on mainstream TV? Hold on, I remember now, the ANNAN PLAN REFERENDUM.


I said much the same thing about the 'world news' a couple of days ago - GR assured me that Cyprus is in the news 'every day'. Not sure what 'news' he reads - I still can't find Cyprus in the news unless I put 'Cyprus' into the search box - usually the first things to come up then are the last 'TRNC' elections.

BTW, I'm sure the UK is grateful you have adopted her, but you can't also claim Cyprus.

All in all, you sound rather fickle ....


As Oracle too lives in the UK, is married to a Brit (yes one of those Brits she despises and calls the enemies of Cyprus) refers to him in a VERY Brit fashion as her 'hubby' (insert a wincing smiley here!), is using the UK education system to educate her offspring and blah blah ... her comments are totally risible!

Perhaps she meant to say you were a bit of a chameleon?

Oracle said (when she was Phoenix!)

I am still British enough that I can moan ...... and have not yet developed the "water-off-a-duck's-back" attitude of most Cypriots.

I am still in the midst of two cultures the British and the Cypriot both of which I love through familiarity.

I'm a bit of a chameleon ...
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Postby Oracle » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:23 am

Still haven't shaken off your maniacal obsession with trolling through my posts, I see. But your spies certainly need to update my biography since my personal life is your business now.

But, as far as my preparations, 3 years ago, for moving back to Cyprus went; then thanks for giving "Alan" an example of the honest feelings of most Diaspora as they adjust to integrating across two cultures.

So, does Alan care to tell us why he hides behind the UK flag, denigrates their ally Obama, preaches partition for Cyprus whilst demanding the continuing presence of 43,000 Turkish soldiers to keep GCs out of their homes?

That may sound like some Brits around here, but it certainly does not sound like a Cypriot, to me!
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Re: Why doesn't the EU and the rest of the world help Cyprus

Postby miltiades » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:28 am

Get Real! wrote:
AlanwithoneL wrote:Why doesn't the EU and the rest of the world help Cyprus?

:shock: Well that explains why the "EU and the rest of the world" won’t help the Palestinians!

Bloody bullies! :evil:


Alan, you may now take your computer back because you’re too stupid to own one. Thanks.

Hey stupid , don't you think the Palestinians ought to first help themselves !!!!
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Postby Gasman » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:37 am

Well it's slightly amusing to see how many other posters you've accused of victimising/trolling/being obsessed with you (under all your forum names!)

My 'sources' are your OWN POSTS! You seem to transform yourself on a regular basis. Bit of an ID crisis going on there?

(perhaps you should have a little check thro' yourself - would stop you making such a hypocrital pillock of yourself so often - only takes a moment or two if you know how to use the search properly)

I've known Brits inside out for over 30 years and if "xenophobic" could be attached to anyone, it is the Brits and not the Cypriots.

The Brits hate the French with a vengeance to surpass and rival the great infamous Turk-Greek schism.

Whilst the Cypriots have embraced Europe and all its myriad of strange folk ... the Brits are still trying to find loopholes to exclude "Johnie Foreigner" from taking residence in the UK.

And I could go on ... but I don't hate the average Brit no matter how badly educated he may be (not his fault .... all part of the government conspiracy to keep them in the UK because if they woke up, opened their eyes and realised what a shit-hole, regarding the weather etc., they lived in, they would all rush off abroad Laughing ).

(the same shit-hole YOU chose to live in in preference to Cyprus for 30+ years?)
........

I was educated in the UK; but I come from a long line of educated people that would have sought tertiary (plus) education wherever we where ... the UK was not the impetus nor motivation. (It's a Greek thing)

However, I have always been astounded how education is not a priority amongst the Brits, and even for those whom it is, they misinterpret training for a career as equivalent to an education.

We have a house in France and know many Brits who love France, but also know the majority do not.

Why do you not need people like me in the UK? How am I different to any other Brit?

as I said, I am a typical Brit
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I am one of the better Brits
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Where have I said anything anti-English? I am a good Brit.
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I was born British, because I was born in Cyprus, whilst it was under colonial rule.
[err.....??]

Not all British people are English. You might be English ... I am not! But I am British. So any criticism of the British is also of myself, and I am as entitled as any other British person to comment ...
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Postby Gasman » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:39 am

Was there any particular incident that caused you to STOP proclaiming your 'Britishness' (and start proclaiming your Greekness?) or did you just hope folk wouldn't remember what you'd said in the past?

Chameleon? Nah - out and out lying hypocrite.
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Postby miltiades » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:39 am

As for for Alan all I can say mate is that the T/Cs that I Know here in the UK and in Cyprus want Turkish troops out of Cyprus.
The RoC might not be perfect but it is the ONLY legally functioning democracy on the island of Cyprus representing all Cypriots. The third world occupying power represents the settlers and the extremists amongst the T/Cs . We too have our own brand of extremists or plonkers as I call them but they are insignificant where it matters most, in the political arena.
GR and some other fools hate America , our government seems not to , wisely I may add.

"In his written reply, President Obama referred to the historic, as he described them, bonds between the USA and Cyprus, and expressed the wish to work for the enlargement and enhancement of the two countries’ bilateral relations and for the promotion of the common values that govern them. He stated at the same time that the arrival of the new Ambassador coincides with the “special milestone” of the 50 year anniversary of the Republic of Cyprus and 50 years since the establishment of diplomatic relations between Cyprus and the USA. Also referring to the multi-faceted cooperation between the USA and Cyprus, the US President described the Republic of Cyprus as “valued partner” of the USA on a plethora of issues. "
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Postby AlanwithoneL » Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:37 pm

humanist wrote:alan... perhaps you should have identified yourself as a TC in the first instance and put your argument forth. It is becoming a bit tedious when nn interested members come on here with their two bob worth. I believe in an open debate between Cypriots about their communities and about a goal to unify or not unify.

I am pro unification and equality for all Cypriots.

My stance in unification in a fair democratic way where all Cypriots are treated fairly and equally in all aspects of Cypriot life. None of this minority majority crap. Because if you think your a minority think of the Maronites and think of the Latin Cypriots. If you can?

My apology for the insult.

To top that of ... my 17 year old uncle at the time was killed by Turkish guns, I was six years at the time and one morning I woke up to find half a villae in our lounge room and I was in my parents room because our bedroom was given to refugees. My grandmother a refugee herself and her daughter were in my mothers room with us because dad was off trying to keep the Turks at bay. I still wish to see a united country because it is the right thing.

TC's now presently rely on Cypriot governemnt for handouts if you are prepared to take those then you should be prepared to live with all Cypriots if you hate us that much then don't accept pensions, don't take health care for granted and don't support business in the south because they offer something you want.

cheers

I look forward to a healthy debate. if your new to the forum you will find that I apologise for the Tochni incident I think it was dispicable act and should have never have happened, I apologise for the violence against any TC travelling to the free areas of Cyprus. I believe the way the 80's something GC gentleman who took pictures of his house and was arrested by the illegal police in the occupied area and his treatment thereof,


I thank you for your apology and detailed explanation humanist. I chose the Union Jack because the UK is now my adopted home and my wife is English.

Just like you, I would like to apologise for any wrong doing of my community members. Even though at times, out of sheer frustration both the TC's and GC's say things that offend and upset eachother, deep down we're very similar and we all have the best interest of Cyprus at heart.
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