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They Did Not Die In Vain.

Postby Schnauzer » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:41 pm

Without going into detail about how many young Servicemen/women of various nations (particularly US/UK of whom we are more familiar with) have given their lives in pursuit of fulfilling the whims of corrupt leaders, I do wonder if members ever stop to consider the implications of being informed that those unfortunates 'Did Not Die In Vain'.

The British Commanders have just handed 'Control' of the most dangerous area of Afghanistan to the Americans, freely admitting that their 'Task' there was a failure and that they hoped the American forces would have more success than they did.

Meanwhile, back home in the lands which the troops who have been killed hailed from, the general populations are being daily informed that those troops 'Did Not Die In Vain' and in EVERY case, the unfortunate soul has been eulogized in precisely the same fashion.

Each one is a 'Hero', each one gave up his (or her) life gladly, each one was a credit to the family etc, the list goes on.

Well, as one who is now bound for the region where dying troops are commonplace, let me tell you that a dying troop, probably or possibly bereft of their arms or legs, is hardly likely to consider that they are NOT 'Dying In Vain', particularly if they are equipped with the knowledge that their Commanders have admitted failure.

Furthermore, and I expect to be criticised by some, the whole scenario taking place in both Iraq (still going great guns) AND Afghanistan (somewhat more of a problem than was anticipated) is not only an inexcusable assault upon lesser nations, but also an assault on the intelligence of the general populations of ALL the aggressive nations involved when they are informed that their Sons and Daughters 'Did Not Die In Vain'.

I will shortly be leaving these shores, I will be absent for at least a month, the Good Lord only knows what horrors I might see BUT, be assured of one thing, I will not be deceived by lies and hyped up versions of 'Heroics' on the fields of honour, 'I' recognise 'Bullying' when I see it and I have the greatest sympathy for those unfortunate troops who are FORCED (by the dictates of their Commanders) to 'Die In Vain' IMHO. :wink:
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Re: They Did Not Die In Vain.

Postby IMPOSTALIEDUS » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:03 pm

Schnauzer wrote:Without going into detail about how many young Servicemen/women of various nations (particularly US/UK of whom we are more familiar with) have given their lives in pursuit of fulfilling the whims of corrupt leaders, I do wonder if members ever stop to consider the implications of being informed that those unfortunates 'Did Not Die In Vain'.

The British Commanders have just handed 'Control' of the most dangerous area of Afghanistan to the Americans, freely admitting that their 'Task' there was a failure and that they hoped the American forces would have more success than they did.

Meanwhile, back home in the lands which the troops who have been killed hailed from, the general populations are being daily informed that those troops 'Did Not Die In Vain' and in EVERY case, the unfortunate soul has been eulogized in precisely the same fashion.

Each one is a 'Hero', each one gave up his (or her) life gladly, each one was a credit to the family etc, the list goes on.

Well, as one who is now bound for the region where dying troops are commonplace, let me tell you that a dying troop, probably or possibly bereft of their arms or legs, is hardly likely to consider that they are NOT 'Dying In Vain', particularly if they are equipped with the knowledge that their Commanders have admitted failure.

Furthermore, and I expect to be criticised by some, the whole scenario taking place in both Iraq (still going great guns) AND Afghanistan (somewhat more of a problem than was anticipated) is not only an inexcusable assault upon lesser nations, but also an assault on the intelligence of the general populations of ALL the aggressive nations involved when they are informed that their Sons and Daughters 'Did Not Die In Vain'.

I will shortly be leaving these shores, I will be absent for at least a month, the Good Lord only knows what horrors I might see BUT, be assured of one thing, I will not be deceived by lies and hyped up versions of 'Heroics' on the fields of honour, 'I' recognise 'Bullying' when I see it and I have the greatest sympathy for those unfortunate troops who are FORCED (by the dictates of their Commanders) to 'Die In Vain' IMHO. :wink:
you do not say why you are going, but for what ever reason keep your head down, I for one one think that all service personel are f n idiots for putting their life on the line for an unjust lie,they are not hero's, the hero's are the guys that refuse to fight in these two unjust wars, Not one of our mp s have a son or brother or father in the forces,,says it all,wether the dead soldier is a hero or not he is still fucking dead
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Postby Schnauzer » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:25 pm

Thankfully IMPOSTALIEDUS, my words would appear to have reached the notice of one who can recognize the hypocrisy of the speeches delivered by political leaders in connection with the fallen and slain of both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Long has it been known that BOTH of these conflicts were/are conducted based on tissues of 'Lies and Deceit' YET, without the slightest hint of irony, politicians will voice their disapproval of mindless slaughter whilst actively encouraging the troops (through the channels of Military Command) to engage in precisely those acts which create (and have created) such.

Meanwhile, the streets of Wootton Bassett will be yet lined with the mourners who have been 'Brainwashed' into believing that those who have paid with their lives, did so GLADLY.

They will believe that the fallen and slain are 'Heroes' simply because the newspapers have told them so, the only information they are able to obtain is that which is filtered through to them from the same source as that which instigated the conflicts which claimed the lives of those they mourn.

Reading a newspaper is a very poor substitute for standing over the dying body of a mortally wounded soldier, watching the blood oozing from his wounds as he dies in acute pain.

There is sight, sound, smell and sadness at such times, 'Heroics' is absolutely farthest from the mind of this latest disposable piece of 'Cannon Fodder', may the Good Lord enlighten SOME of us, many are beyond such enlightenment. IMHO. :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:47 pm

I hope your undertaking is not in vain!

Come back safely ....
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Postby Schnauzer » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:15 pm

Oracle wrote:I hope your undertaking is not in vain!

Come back safely ....


Thank you Oracle, I am due to leave within the hour now, I thought it would be rather a good idea to introduce a topic which might prompt members to focus their attention on a very controversial subject on the eve of my departure.

Since there are no 'Readily Available' quotes or cliches (other than "They have not died in vain") which members may make use of (and claim them for themselves) I thought it might encourage a little more unity and possibly agreement when the matter of 'Heroics' is discussed.

Certainly, such a discussion MUST produce some original thoughts on the matter, at the very least, such discussion would serve as an alternative to that which has been so restricted to "They Did Not Die In Vain", whilst the futility of the conflicts in both Iraq and Afghanistan are becoming increasingly evident with each passing day.

In closing, I would like to thank ALL members for the pleasure of association, may I wish you all well and hopefully be among you all again in due course. Schnauzer................. (Special X for Miltiades :wink: )
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Postby CBBB » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:49 pm

Is this another one of your "shaggy dog stories"?
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Postby kafenes » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:53 pm

Goodbye Schnauzer and don't forget to send us a morse code.
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Postby apc2010 » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:56 pm

or tell us when you catch bin laden ..........
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Postby miltiades » Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:38 am

Schnauzer wrote:
Oracle wrote:I hope your undertaking is not in vain!

Come back safely ....


Thank you Oracle, I am due to leave within the hour now, I thought it would be rather a good idea to introduce a topic which might prompt members to focus their attention on a very controversial subject on the eve of my departure.

Since there are no 'Readily Available' quotes or cliches (other than "They have not died in vain") which members may make use of (and claim them for themselves) I thought it might encourage a little more unity and possibly agreement when the matter of 'Heroics' is discussed.

Certainly, such a discussion MUST produce some original thoughts on the matter, at the very least, such discussion would serve as an alternative to that which has been so restricted to "They Did Not Die In Vain", whilst the futility of the conflicts in both Iraq and Afghanistan are becoming increasingly evident with each passing day.

In closing, I would like to thank ALL members for the pleasure of association, may I wish you all well and hopefully be among you all again in due course. Schnauzer................. (Special X for Miltiades :wink: )

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