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[Piratis]

I will become more peace loving when at least one TC politician stops bullshitting me with this Bizonal Bicommunal mumbo jumbo and says clearly that what is put on the table is PARTITION coupled with IMPORTATION OF SETTLERS and that the only way they see the GCs as demonstrating peaceful intent is for the Gcs to accept these conditions.

Till then TCs are behaving like spiteful hypocrites. Their latest property proposals and the insistence on settlers remaining prove it.

I don't agree with targeting TC's in general, or GC's in general.

There are some specific people involved in the negotiations, and I don't hear too much on the subject of peace from any of them. If peace were their main objective, things would be different.

Unfortunately, the main objective of both negotiating teams is political power and control over resources, and that is very clear to me. If the motivation were to change, then talks might be successful. But it is up to us, the voters, the community, to make our wishes clear. As long as it is our wish to live separately and reject each other, that's what the politicians will carry out.

But...if we decide we want peace, nothing will stand in our way. Cypriots have to decide this, not Turks, not Greeks, not the British or the French - Cypriots.

Our main objectives are Liberation from foreign invaders and the Respect to the human rights of the Cypriot people. Peace is not our first and main objective and neither it should be.

I think peace should be our first and main objective for one very good reason. It's the only answer to a complex problem that has remained unsolved for 50 years.

Inter-communal peace, cooperation, respect for our neighbor - all of these characteristics will de-legitimise Turkey's illegal occupation even further. And they have the benefit of being good for our society and future.

Human rights begin with respecting humans. And that means you, me, TC, GC, whatever background, ethnic leaning we come from.

Human rights flourish when communities respect each other, but that will only come from an internal decision by you, me, and all our compatriots.

CNR, could you be in peace with me if I was beating you up every day and disrespecting even your basic human rights? Wouldn't mutual respect for your and my human rights be a PREREQUISITE for peace between us? Please think a bit about the order of things because you appear a bit confused.

I am in peace with those people (including Turkish Cypriots like Kikapu in this forum), with whom we have mutual respect for each others human and democratic rights. But obviously I can't be in peace with those who support the violation of my human and democratic rights, right?

Our problem is not the absence of peace. Our problem is the occupation of our homeland and the violation of our human rights. The solution can only come with the liberation of our country and the respect of the human rights of all Cypriots. Then peace will also come as a result.

[Piratis]

Cyprus is a Greek island and it should have been part of the Greek state in the first place since this is what the majority of Cypriots wanted. The only reason that this didn't happen is that foreign imperialists with their troops and their settlers used force and blackmail to prevent the Cypriot people from achieving their right of self-determination and uniting, if we wanted, with the rest of Greece.

Beyond that, the Greek troops did not make any "invasion" but were part of a coup, like the many coups that happened in Turkey. Maybe another country would be excused to invade Turkey and ethnically cleanse 1/3rd of its population using one of the many coups that happened in Turkey as an excuse? That is one of the lamest excuses ever.

Invasions were those made by the Turks. Both in their first invasion in 1570 when they butchered 20.000 Cypriots in Nicosia alone and then occupied Cyprus for 3+ centuries against the will of the Cypriot people, and their second invasion in 1974 when they killed 1000s of Cypriots, ethnically cleansed the native Cypriots population from 1/3rd of Cyprus and replaced them with yet more Turkish settlers.

I am Cypriot.

Yes, my mother is Greek Cypriot, my cousin is Greek Cypriot, and I have a Turkish-Cypriot friend who I keep in touch with over FB. My nationality is English Cypriot, I have some Swedish-Cypriot friends and a French-Cypriot friend.

There are German Cypriots, and no doubt even a few Nigerian Cypriots around.

Ethnic minorities exist everywhere. So what exactly is your point?

There are a ton of ethnic minorities in London. Did London stop being English because minorities which are not English live there?

By the way, there is no such thing as "English Cypriot" nationality

I'm happy that you are proud of your Greek lineage, but don't keep beating me over the head with it - it's a sign of insecurity.

How did I "beat you" with anything when my reply above was not even directed to you?

[AlanwithoneL]

Cyprus is a Greek island and it should have been part of the Greek state in the first place since this is what the majority of Cypriots wanted. The only reason that this didn't happen is that foreign imperialists with their troops and their settlers used force and blackmail to prevent the Cypriot people from achieving their right of self-determination and uniting, if we wanted, with the rest of Greece.

Beyond that, the Greek troops did not make any "invasion" but were part of a coup, like the many coups that happened in Turkey. Maybe another country would be excused to invade Turkey and ethnically cleanse 1/3rd of its population using one of the many coups that happened in Turkey as an excuse? That is one of the lamest excuses ever.

Invasions were those made by the Turks. Both in their first invasion in 1570 when they butchered 20.000 Cypriots in Nicosia alone and then occupied Cyprus for 3+ centuries against the will of the Cypriot people, and their second invasion in 1974 when they killed 1000s of Cypriots, ethnically cleansed the native Cypriots population from 1/3rd of Cyprus and replaced them with yet more Turkish settlers.

I am Cypriot.

Yes, my mother is Greek Cypriot, my cousin is Greek Cypriot, and I have a Turkish-Cypriot friend who I keep in touch with over FB. My nationality is English Cypriot, I have some Swedish-Cypriot friends and a French-Cypriot friend.

There are German Cypriots, and no doubt even a few Nigerian Cypriots around.

Ethnic minorities exist everywhere. So what exactly is your point?

There are a ton of ethnic minorities in London. Did London stop being English because minorities which are not English live there?

By the way, there is no such thing as "English Cypriot" nationality

I'm happy that you are proud of your Greek lineage, but don't keep beating me over the head with it - it's a sign of insecurity.

How did I "beat you" with anything when my reply above was not even directed to you?

Just as you'd like to give us minority status is it not our right to demand our own sovereignty? Given that we're the "Ottoman remnants" and are used to rule rather than be ruled, lead rather than be led it is perfectly natural to desire this.

[kurupetos]

Take no notice of GR, he is just a barbarian who learned Cypriot ...

(I continue)
...dialect of the Greek language.

[AlanwithoneL]

Cyprus is a Greek island and it should have been part of the Greek state in the first place since this is what the majority of Cypriots wanted. The only reason that this didn't happen is that foreign imperialists with their troops and their settlers used force and blackmail to prevent the Cypriot people from achieving their right of self-determination and uniting, if we wanted, with the rest of Greece.

Beyond that, the Greek troops did not make any "invasion" but were part of a coup, like the many coups that happened in Turkey. Maybe another country would be excused to invade Turkey and ethnically cleanse 1/3rd of its population using one of the many coups that happened in Turkey as an excuse? That is one of the lamest excuses ever.

Invasions were those made by the Turks. Both in their first invasion in 1570 when they butchered 20.000 Cypriots in Nicosia alone and then occupied Cyprus for 3+ centuries against the will of the Cypriot people, and their second invasion in 1974 when they killed 1000s of Cypriots, ethnically cleansed the native Cypriots population from 1/3rd of Cyprus and replaced them with yet more Turkish settlers.

I am Cypriot.

Yes, my mother is Greek Cypriot, my cousin is Greek Cypriot, and I have a Turkish-Cypriot friend who I keep in touch with over FB. My nationality is English Cypriot, I have some Swedish-Cypriot friends and a French-Cypriot friend.

There are German Cypriots, and no doubt even a few Nigerian Cypriots around.

Ethnic minorities exist everywhere. So what exactly is your point?

There are a ton of ethnic minorities in London. Did London stop being English because minorities which are not English live there?

By the way, there is no such thing as "English Cypriot" nationality

I'm happy that you are proud of your Greek lineage, but don't keep beating me over the head with it - it's a sign of insecurity.

How did I "beat you" with anything when my reply above was not even directed to you?

Just as you'd like to give us minority status is it not our right to demand our own sovereignty? Given that we're the "Ottoman remnants" and are used to rule rather than be ruled, lead rather than be led it is perfectly natural to desire this.

[kurupetos]

Cyprus is a Greek island and it should have been part of the Greek state in the first place since this is what the majority of Cypriots wanted. The only reason that this didn't happen is that foreign imperialists with their troops and their settlers used force and blackmail to prevent the Cypriot people from achieving their right of self-determination and uniting, if we wanted, with the rest of Greece.

Beyond that, the Greek troops did not make any "invasion" but were part of a coup, like the many coups that happened in Turkey. Maybe another country would be excused to invade Turkey and ethnically cleanse 1/3rd of its population using one of the many coups that happened in Turkey as an excuse? That is one of the lamest excuses ever.

Invasions were those made by the Turks. Both in their first invasion in 1570 when they butchered 20.000 Cypriots in Nicosia alone and then occupied Cyprus for 3+ centuries against the will of the Cypriot people, and their second invasion in 1974 when they killed 1000s of Cypriots, ethnically cleansed the native Cypriots population from 1/3rd of Cyprus and replaced them with yet more Turkish settlers.

I am Cypriot.

Yes, my mother is Greek Cypriot, my cousin is Greek Cypriot, and I have a Turkish-Cypriot friend who I keep in touch with over FB. My nationality is English Cypriot, I have some Swedish-Cypriot friends and a French-Cypriot friend.

There are German Cypriots, and no doubt even a few Nigerian Cypriots around.

Ethnic minorities exist everywhere. So what exactly is your point?

There are a ton of ethnic minorities in London. Did London stop being English because minorities which are not English live there?

By the way, there is no such thing as "English Cypriot" nationality

I'm happy that you are proud of your Greek lineage, but don't keep beating me over the head with it - it's a sign of insecurity.

How did I "beat you" with anything when my reply above was not even directed to you?

Just as you'd like to give us minority status is it not our right to demand our own sovereignty? Given that we're the "Ottoman remnants" and are used to rule rather than be ruled, lead rather than be led it is perfectly natural to desire this.

Sovereignty on stolen land? How turkish is that?

[Get Real!]

Take no notice of GR, he is just a barbarian who learned Cypriot ...

“Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of. And onto this, Conan, destined to wear the jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow. It is I, his chronicler, who alone can tell thee of his saga…

Let me tell you of the days of HIGH adventure!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZY2mRG5mzg

[AlanwithoneL]

Cyprus is a Greek island and it should have been part of the Greek state in the first place since this is what the majority of Cypriots wanted. The only reason that this didn't happen is that foreign imperialists with their troops and their settlers used force and blackmail to prevent the Cypriot people from achieving their right of self-determination and uniting, if we wanted, with the rest of Greece.

Beyond that, the Greek troops did not make any "invasion" but were part of a coup, like the many coups that happened in Turkey. Maybe another country would be excused to invade Turkey and ethnically cleanse 1/3rd of its population using one of the many coups that happened in Turkey as an excuse? That is one of the lamest excuses ever.

Invasions were those made by the Turks. Both in their first invasion in 1570 when they butchered 20.000 Cypriots in Nicosia alone and then occupied Cyprus for 3+ centuries against the will of the Cypriot people, and their second invasion in 1974 when they killed 1000s of Cypriots, ethnically cleansed the native Cypriots population from 1/3rd of Cyprus and replaced them with yet more Turkish settlers.

I am Cypriot.

Yes, my mother is Greek Cypriot, my cousin is Greek Cypriot, and I have a Turkish-Cypriot friend who I keep in touch with over FB. My nationality is English Cypriot, I have some Swedish-Cypriot friends and a French-Cypriot friend.

There are German Cypriots, and no doubt even a few Nigerian Cypriots around.

Ethnic minorities exist everywhere. So what exactly is your point?

There are a ton of ethnic minorities in London. Did London stop being English because minorities which are not English live there?

By the way, there is no such thing as "English Cypriot" nationality

I'm happy that you are proud of your Greek lineage, but don't keep beating me over the head with it - it's a sign of insecurity.

How did I "beat you" with anything when my reply above was not even directed to you?

Just as you'd like to give us minority status is it not our right to demand our own sovereignty? Given that we're the "Ottoman remnants" and are used to rule rather than be ruled, lead rather than be led it is perfectly natural to desire this.

Sovereignty on stolen land? How turkish is that?

With all due respect, you caused the division of the island. I know you'll turn around and deny this but this is the reality of the matter.

How else do you see a solution when the 2 communities detest one another? Lets be honest, just look at the posts exchanged between us here, can you see or feel any love or respect on these pages? I've just had a brief look and the amount of hatred is mind boggling.

I hate the idea of separation saddens me and I really want a lasting, peaceful end to this all but for the life of me cant see how its going to be achieved.

[Get Real!]

With all due respect, you caused the division of the island. I know you'll turn around and deny this but this is the reality of the matter.

Who invited your murderous forefathers to come here in the first place?

How else do you see a solution when the 2 communities detest one another?

Your immediate return to wherever the hell you came from.

[EPSILON]

With all due respect, you caused the division of the island. I know you'll turn around and deny this but this is the reality of the matter.

Who invited your murderous forefathers to come here in the first place?

How else do you see a solution when the 2 communities detest one another?

Your immediate return to wherever the hell you came from.

And i pay for the ships.