lola-tulip wrote:CyprusNewsReport wrote:Piratis wrote:CyprusNewsReport wrote:Nikitas wrote:I will become more peace loving when at least one TC politician stops bullshitting me with this Bizonal Bicommunal mumbo jumbo and says clearly that what is put on the table is PARTITION coupled with IMPORTATION OF SETTLERS and that the only way they see the GCs as demonstrating peaceful intent is for the Gcs to accept these conditions.
Till then TCs are behaving like spiteful hypocrites. Their latest property proposals and the insistence on settlers remaining prove it.
I don't agree with targeting TC's in general, or GC's in general.
There are some specific people involved in the negotiations, and I don't hear too much on the subject of peace from any of them. If peace were their main objective, things would be different.
Unfortunately, the main objective of both negotiating teams is political power and control over resources, and that is very clear to me. If the motivation were to change, then talks might be successful. But it is up to us, the voters, the community, to make our wishes clear. As long as it is our wish to live separately and reject each other, that's what the politicians will carry out.
But...if we decide we want peace, nothing will stand in our way. Cypriots have to decide this, not Turks, not Greeks, not the British or the French - Cypriots.
Our main objectives are Liberation from foreign invaders and the Respect to the human rights of the Cypriot people. Peace is not our first and main objective and neither it should be.
I think peace should be our first and main objective for one very good reason. It's the only answer to a complex problem that has remained unsolved for 50 years.
Inter-communal peace, cooperation, respect for our neighbor - all of these characteristics will de-legitimise Turkey's illegal occupation even further. And they have the benefit of being good for our society and future.
Human rights begin with respecting humans. And that means you, me, TC, GC, whatever background, ethnic leaning we come from.
Human rights flourish when communities respect each other, but that will only come from an internal decision by you, me, and all our compatriots.
[I apologise (to piratis) for jumping in but I think you might be failing to grasp a subtle point that is inherent in his argument.]
It is a condition of peace, that is for a war to end, that the fundamental human rights of all people are restored. Otherwise the war has not ended nor can it end. It is the central tenet behind the UDHR. Implementation of Human Rights (for all) are part of the conditions for peace at the end of war.
This is what is missing with the continuing occupation of Cyprus, by Turkey. What is missing is the observance of the human rights of the GCs and restoration of their fundamental freedoms. Turkey places an unacceptable distinction and discrimination against people because of race (Greek or Greek Cypriot), language (Greek and all its dialects) and religion (Greek Orthodox).
It is because of the above that war has not ended with Turkey. It is not optional, to forego HR restoration, because of the desires of individuals who are fed up fighting for fundamental freedoms. It can only end, by authority, when the Human Rights, of all, are restored.
Point well taken, lola. But I am not talking about what Turkey can do to restore human rights - the country's government has shown its insensitivity and abuse of human rights many times in the past and is only now beginning to turn around on some of those issues.
The removal of a dictatorship is never a pre-requisite for the observation of human rights, a peaceful society and good inter-communal relations. These principles stand irrespective of circumstances - whether the dictator is here or not. To allow the dictatorship (and by this I mean the armed military Turkish troops along the Green Line) to divide our communities is allowing them to win.
If all Cypriots unite for peace, our human rights will be automatically protected because we will protect each other. That's community.
I appreciate the presenter's intention to try and take the hyperbole out of the topic. Interesting!
I don’t know what you had for breakfast… probably Chinese fart weed because this is Cyprus, and in Cyprus our problem isn’t “peace” but one of a Turkish invasion and occupation so quit wasting people’s time with cheap mother Teresa sophistry.
