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The Greek regiment in Cyprus (ELDYK) was not under the National Guard’s direct control. It consisted of two infantry battalions, with 1,200 men (nominal 950).[16] It was well trained and organized but equipped with light and old weapons.[17] Together with the Commando regiment it was considered the best unit on the Greek-Cypriot side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_o ... %281974%29

Doesn't look like 30,000 to me!

[Piratis]

Cyprus is a Greek island and it should have been part of the Greek state in the first place since this is what the majority of Cypriots wanted. The only reason that this didn't happen is that foreign imperialists with their troops and their settlers used force and blackmail to prevent the Cypriot people from achieving their right of self-determination and uniting, if we wanted, with the rest of Greece.

Beyond that, the Greek troops did not make any "invasion" but were part of a coup, like the many coups that happened in Turkey. Maybe another country would be excused to invade Turkey and ethnically cleanse 1/3rd of its population using one of the many coups that happened in Turkey as an excuse? That is one of the lamest excuses ever.

Invasions were those made by the Turks. Both in their first invasion in 1570 when they butchered 20.000 Cypriots in Nicosia alone and then occupied Cyprus for 3+ centuries against the will of the Cypriot people, and their second invasion in 1974 when they killed 1000s of Cypriots, ethnically cleansed the native Cypriots population from 1/3rd of Cyprus and replaced them with yet more Turkish settlers.

[insan]

The Greek regiment in Cyprus (ELDYK) was not under the National Guard’s direct control. It consisted of two infantry battalions, with 1,200 men (nominal 950).[16] It was well trained and organized but equipped with light and old weapons.[17] Together with the Commando regiment it was considered the best unit on the Greek-Cypriot side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_o ... %281974%29

Doesn't look like 30,000 to me!

Its total wartime strength was 40,000, of which 30,000 were reservists

Now it should look like 30.000 to you!

[CBBB]

The Greek regiment in Cyprus (ELDYK) was not under the National Guard’s direct control. It consisted of two infantry battalions, with 1,200 men (nominal 950).[16] It was well trained and organized but equipped with light and old weapons.[17] Together with the Commando regiment it was considered the best unit on the Greek-Cypriot side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_o ... %281974%29

Doesn't look like 30,000 to me!

Its total wartime strength was 40,000, of which 30,000 were reservists

Now it should look like 30.000 to you!

No, it doesn't look like 30,000 Greeks invaded, which was your original answer to my question.

[insan]

The Greek regiment in Cyprus (ELDYK) was not under the National Guard’s direct control. It consisted of two infantry battalions, with 1,200 men (nominal 950).[16] It was well trained and organized but equipped with light and old weapons.[17] Together with the Commando regiment it was considered the best unit on the Greek-Cypriot side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_o ... %281974%29

Doesn't look like 30,000 to me!

Its total wartime strength was 40,000, of which 30,000 were reservists

Now it should look like 30.000 to you!

No, it doesn't look like 30,000 Greeks invaded, which was your original answer to my question.

What was the difference between the mentalities and ideals of a Greek and GC soldier which were united around the same Hellenic ideal(s) Enosis; sponsored by a retard Greek general? The place of birth?

[CyprusNewsReport]

I will become more peace loving when at least one TC politician stops bullshitting me with this Bizonal Bicommunal mumbo jumbo and says clearly that what is put on the table is PARTITION coupled with IMPORTATION OF SETTLERS and that the only way they see the GCs as demonstrating peaceful intent is for the Gcs to accept these conditions.

Till then TCs are behaving like spiteful hypocrites. Their latest property proposals and the insistence on settlers remaining prove it.

I don't agree with targeting TC's in general, or GC's in general.

There are some specific people involved in the negotiations, and I don't hear too much on the subject of peace from any of them. If peace were their main objective, things would be different.

Unfortunately, the main objective of both negotiating teams is political power and control over resources, and that is very clear to me. If the motivation were to change, then talks might be successful. But it is up to us, the voters, the community, to make our wishes clear. As long as it is our wish to live separately and reject each other, that's what the politicians will carry out.

But...if we decide we want peace, nothing will stand in our way. Cypriots have to decide this, not Turks, not Greeks, not the British or the French - Cypriots.

Our main objectives are Liberation from foreign invaders and the Respect to the human rights of the Cypriot people. Peace is not our first and main objective and neither it should be.

I think peace should be our first and main objective for one very good reason. It's the only answer to a complex problem that has remained unsolved for 50 years.

Inter-communal peace, cooperation, respect for our neighbor - all of these characteristics will de-legitimise Turkey's illegal occupation even further. And they have the benefit of being good for our society and future.

Human rights begin with respecting humans. And that means you, me, TC, GC, whatever background, ethnic leaning we come from.

Human rights flourish when communities respect each other, but that will only come from an internal decision by you, me, and all our compatriots.

[CyprusNewsReport]

Cyprus is a Greek island and it should have been part of the Greek state in the first place since this is what the majority of Cypriots wanted. The only reason that this didn't happen is that foreign imperialists with their troops and their settlers used force and blackmail to prevent the Cypriot people from achieving their right of self-determination and uniting, if we wanted, with the rest of Greece.

Beyond that, the Greek troops did not make any "invasion" but were part of a coup, like the many coups that happened in Turkey. Maybe another country would be excused to invade Turkey and ethnically cleanse 1/3rd of its population using one of the many coups that happened in Turkey as an excuse? That is one of the lamest excuses ever.

Invasions were those made by the Turks. Both in their first invasion in 1570 when they butchered 20.000 Cypriots in Nicosia alone and then occupied Cyprus for 3+ centuries against the will of the Cypriot people, and their second invasion in 1974 when they killed 1000s of Cypriots, ethnically cleansed the native Cypriots population from 1/3rd of Cyprus and replaced them with yet more Turkish settlers.

I am Cypriot.

Yes, my mother is Greek Cypriot, my cousin is Greek Cypriot, and I have a Turkish-Cypriot friend who I keep in touch with over FB. My nationality is English Cypriot, I have some Swedish-Cypriot friends and a French-Cypriot friend.

There are German Cypriots, and no doubt even a few Nigerian Cypriots around.

I'm happy that you are proud of your Greek lineage, but don't keep beating me over the head with it - it's a sign of insecurity.

What we all have in common is that we are Cypriots.

[lola-tulip]

I will become more peace loving when at least one TC politician stops bullshitting me with this Bizonal Bicommunal mumbo jumbo and says clearly that what is put on the table is PARTITION coupled with IMPORTATION OF SETTLERS and that the only way they see the GCs as demonstrating peaceful intent is for the Gcs to accept these conditions.

Till then TCs are behaving like spiteful hypocrites. Their latest property proposals and the insistence on settlers remaining prove it.

I don't agree with targeting TC's in general, or GC's in general.

There are some specific people involved in the negotiations, and I don't hear too much on the subject of peace from any of them. If peace were their main objective, things would be different.

Unfortunately, the main objective of both negotiating teams is political power and control over resources, and that is very clear to me. If the motivation were to change, then talks might be successful. But it is up to us, the voters, the community, to make our wishes clear. As long as it is our wish to live separately and reject each other, that's what the politicians will carry out.

But...if we decide we want peace, nothing will stand in our way. Cypriots have to decide this, not Turks, not Greeks, not the British or the French - Cypriots.

Our main objectives are Liberation from foreign invaders and the Respect to the human rights of the Cypriot people. Peace is not our first and main objective and neither it should be.

I think peace should be our first and main objective for one very good reason. It's the only answer to a complex problem that has remained unsolved for 50 years.

Inter-communal peace, cooperation, respect for our neighbor - all of these characteristics will de-legitimise Turkey's illegal occupation even further. And they have the benefit of being good for our society and future.

Human rights begin with respecting humans. And that means you, me, TC, GC, whatever background, ethnic leaning we come from.

Human rights flourish when communities respect each other, but that will only come from an internal decision by you, me, and all our compatriots.

[I apologise (to piratis) for jumping in but I think you might be failing to grasp a subtle point that is inherent in his argument.]

It is a condition of peace, that is for a war to end, that the fundamental human rights of all people are restored. Otherwise the war has not ended nor can it end. It is the central tenet behind the UDHR. Implementation of Human Rights (for all) are part of the conditions for peace at the end of war.

This is what is missing with the continuing occupation of Cyprus, by Turkey. What is missing is the observance of the human rights of the GCs and restoration of their fundamental freedoms. Turkey places an unacceptable distinction and discrimination against people because of race (Greek or Greek Cypriot), language (Greek and all its dialects) and religion (Greek Orthodox).

It is because of the above that war has not ended with Turkey. It is not optional, to forego HR restoration, because of the desires of individuals who are fed up fighting for fundamental freedoms. It can only end, by authority, when the Human Rights, of all, are restored.

[EPSILON]

Why don't you ever talk about peace? Why are the posts always about war and hatred and bitterness? Don't you know that you are all individually responsible for communal relations and as long as you decide to remain enemies - you will!

When will you look forwards instead of backwards?

Let G/cs take control of the Island and then we will be the best friends of Turks.We will even travel to Istanbul for casino and we will start to eat HALAL on daily basis.

[Bananiot]

See

http://www.cybc.com.cy/tv/index.php?opt ... Itemid=253

Good debate, very informative. Watch Loucaides spill the beans. He says that we should just wait for Turkey to disintegrate!