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[CyprusNewsReport]

I will become more peace loving when at least one TC politician stops bullshitting me with this Bizonal Bicommunal mumbo jumbo and says clearly that what is put on the table is PARTITION coupled with IMPORTATION OF SETTLERS and that the only way they see the GCs as demonstrating peaceful intent is for the Gcs to accept these conditions.

Till then TCs are behaving like spiteful hypocrites. Their latest property proposals and the insistence on settlers remaining prove it.

I don't agree with targeting TC's in general, or GC's in general.

There are some specific people involved in the negotiations, and I don't hear too much on the subject of peace from any of them. If peace were their main objective, things would be different.

Unfortunately, the main objective of both negotiating teams is political power and control over resources, and that is very clear to me. If the motivation were to change, then talks might be successful. But it is up to us, the voters, the community, to make our wishes clear. As long as it is our wish to live separately and reject each other, that's what the politicians will carry out.

But...if we decide we want peace, nothing will stand in our way. Cypriots have to decide this, not Turks, not Greeks, not the British or the French - Cypriots.

[Piratis]

CyprusNewsReport

Thumbs up on your language skills. Your Greek is probably better than mine, I spent a lot of years abroad.

To your point that the GC hate the TC, I can really say that is not true. When the borders opened, people were hugging and crying when they saw each other again.

Moving forward is going to be difficult - it is difficult. I believe we'll get there! I think there is more than the politicians posturing and the extremists trash talking. I think there are genuine friends and cases of good relations between TC and GCs but these friendships are not talked about because people are afraid of standing apart from the current political correctness in each community.

As long as the media and the politicians focus on the negative, the communities will stay polarised. Your comment outlining such stark choices as partition illustrates this. Do you imagine that partition will mean a sudden and complete separation - perhaps the northern third of Cyprus will set sail across the Mediterranean Sea on its own? There would still need to be diplomatic relations, trade relations, travel between the 'states'.

Even Serbia has started talks with Kosovo in the case of the ex Yugoslavian states. It's human relations that count! Laws and governments can only do so much.

Hi,

Interesting! Look, my learning of the Greek Language was not out of choice but out of necessity. If I hadn't known Greek then, I would have been buried a long time ago - Trust me! However, I do understand where you are coming from but the main essence of the problem does not really lie there. It's not only to do with trust and the Greek and Turkish Cypriot people only, but also to do with Constitutional rights and Guarantees. For instance, the GC-ROC entired the EU without out involvement or acceptance, Dimitris Christofias would never return to the ORIGINAL Cyprus 1959 agreements and 1960 Constitution with all of its glory, and the Greek Cypriot would never accept Turkey being a future Guarantor of the entire island. There are many, many instances and scenarios which are no longer an option or possible, thus only a Two State Solution with self autonomy can only lay the carpet for building future relations and then the possibility of unification in the distant future. Therefore, in my opinion, even a federal republic would be very much premature due to many of the sensitive issues of both the Greek and Turkish Cypriots of Cyprus. The Greek Cypriots should have accepted the "Turkish Federated State of Cyprus" prior to 1983...perhaps by then it could have mended a few fences. As for now, it's clearly to late.

The 1959 agreements were not a result of the free will of the Cypriot people, but they were imposed on us and served the interests of foreign Imperialists and their collaborators in Cyprus. Today you are doing more of the same: You are again blackmailing us (by keeping 1/3rd of our island as hostage) trying to force us to accept yet another kind of "agreement" that would serve the interests of foreign imperialists and your small minority on the expense of the interests of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

You say that learning Greek was out of necessity. No kidding, when you live in an island were the vast majority of the population are Greek. You live in London now. Wasn't it necessary for you to learn English to live there? You think you could live in London without any problems if the only language you spoke was English?

As I said before peace is good but there are things worth fighting for: Freedom, democracy and human rights. The enemies of Cyprus should know that we will never gift to them our homeland for the sake of peace.

[Piratis]

I will become more peace loving when at least one TC politician stops bullshitting me with this Bizonal Bicommunal mumbo jumbo and says clearly that what is put on the table is PARTITION coupled with IMPORTATION OF SETTLERS and that the only way they see the GCs as demonstrating peaceful intent is for the Gcs to accept these conditions.

Till then TCs are behaving like spiteful hypocrites. Their latest property proposals and the insistence on settlers remaining prove it.

I don't agree with targeting TC's in general, or GC's in general.

There are some specific people involved in the negotiations, and I don't hear too much on the subject of peace from any of them. If peace were their main objective, things would be different.

Unfortunately, the main objective of both negotiating teams is political power and control over resources, and that is very clear to me. If the motivation were to change, then talks might be successful. But it is up to us, the voters, the community, to make our wishes clear. As long as it is our wish to live separately and reject each other, that's what the politicians will carry out.

But...if we decide we want peace, nothing will stand in our way. Cypriots have to decide this, not Turks, not Greeks, not the British or the French - Cypriots.

Our main objectives are Liberation from foreign invaders and the Respect to the human rights of the Cypriot people. Peace is not our first and main objective and neither it should be.

[MrH]

Hi CyprusNewsReport and Piratis in particular,

I will try and be as polite and direct as possible. The foreign invader Piratis, as you know when discussing the Cyprus issue is a bad term and example to use. The Ottoman Empire controlled the island for hundreds of years, and it was Greece on the 15th July 1974 who invaded the island. If it wasn't for Turkey all of the Opposing GCs and TCs and probably English people on the island would have been killed. Deny this as a GC of today I have no problem with that as it proves how patriotic you are to the "Greek" cause, but remove the "Foreign Invaders" term when referring to Turkey because the world is not listening, even more they actually laugh. And that comes from a Journalist's view.

There's only two ways to peace. Accept an Annan Style Federal plan, or follow the European models of the Czech, Kosovo, Montenegro, Slovak etc, etc of seperation and good relations. If Christofias does not pull up his trousers soon and realise this Turkey will soon deem the 40 year old UN Cyprus talks process a failure and will walk away from the EU and Cyprus talks. And it wil do it. If it comes to that, it will be the Greek Cypriot who will eventually lose as the EU really has other issues to deal with regarding Turkey besides the Cypriot stealth one. This is the GC mentality failure. You strongly believe the EU actually cares about your view of the Cyprus problem. If it did Christofias would never feel compelled to sit around a table after all of what You, the GCs, accept Turkey has so called done to the island. If your thoughts were taken seriously, Turkey would have had an international coalition of forces at its doorstep. As it does not, the Cyprus issue and its outcome is very much a logical process from now on!

Welcome two republic states.

[CBBB]

it was Greece on the 15th July 1974 who invaded the island

How many troops did Greece invade with?

because the world is not listening, even more they actually laugh. And that comes from a Journalist's view.

Ah a journalist's view, that makes the statement even less believable!

[MrH]

CBBB

MrH wrote:
it was Greece on the 15th July 1974 who invaded the island


How many troops did Greece invade with?

MrH wrote:
because the world is not listening, even more they actually laugh. And that comes from a Journalist's view.


Ah a journalist's view, that makes the statement even less believable!

Petty comments really CBBB. That is why the Island could Never be unified the Greek Cypriot Christofias-Papadopoulos style you are desperately dreaming for. The Greek Troops that arrived were more than you think CBBB, as well as the many Thousands whom stayed - don't think we don't know about those!, and the rest that would have followed if Turkey had not have intervened and saved the Greek Cypriots as well as the Turkish Cypriot would have united the Island of Cyprus with Hellenic Greece. We are not that Stupid CBBB. Turkey knows exactly what it did, the reason why and how to move forward. The only compelling fact here is that what's done is done, like the establishment of ISRAEL and how the UK invaded Northern Cyprus and made it a part of the United Kingdom - legally (I remember that as I was reporting that one!), and we must look forward - but obviously the Greek Cypriots can't, therefore the birth of Two Recognised Cypriot States is soon at hand. And if not, then it will be the TRNC of Turkey and the GC administered ROC, Turkey will Never get into the EU, as if it could or really Wanted to now anyway, and HAPPY DAYS as the English say.

I strongly believe this forum has exhausted most of the Cyprus angle and should now be switched off until a CZECH/SLOVAK agreement materialises. I'm only responding to such Cyprus nonsense as I'm heading back to the UK in JFK Airport and have nothing left to do as you are not allowed to smoke anymore.

Writing on these Blackberry devices can be murder!

[insan]

it was Greece on the 15th July 1974 who invaded the island

How many troops did Greece invade with?

30.000? together with pro-Enosis NG and reservists which were under direct command of retard Ionnides the ultra Greek nationalist?

[MrH]

Insan,

These Greek nationalists are still very much active on the Greek Cypriot side, if not more I would say, where the evidence seen from the strong "OXI" to the Annan Plan and Christofias' constant change in tactics and stance in collaboration with the Greek Cypriot Church's facist view (being scared of it that is) is very transparent - even to a child!

I tell you what, let's all allow the Cyprus problem to be discussed at a UN level for another 40 years, keep Turkey on hold with EU entry and see what happens! Do you know what will happen by then? My guess would be that Turkey would become a very important country both economically and politically, Greece would probably go bankrupt another 17 times, the Greek Cypriot side of Cyprus would see an increase in EU nations from its current 16% to 50 % and the TRNC would be a Part of Turkey. Lovely - Problem solved.

Insallah!

[insan]

Insan,

These Greek nationalists are still very much active on the Greek Cypriot side, if not more I would say, where the evidence seen from the strong "OXI" to the Annan Plan and Christofias' constant change in tactics and stance in collaboration with the Greek Cypriot Church's facist view (being scared of it that is) is very transparent - even to a child!

I tell you what, let's all allow the Cyprus problem to be discussed at a UN level for another 40 years, keep Turkey on hold with EU entry and see what happens! Do you know what will happen by then? My guess would be that Turkey would become a very important country both economically and politically, Greece would probably go bankrupt another 17 times, the Greek Cypriot side of Cyprus would see an increase in EU nations from its current 16% to 50 % and the TRNC would be a Part of Turkey. Lovely - Problem solved.

Insallah!

MrH, I'm too well aware that a large group of Greek/GC politicians, their active supporters and a large portion of Greek/GC people wittingly or unwittingly go behind their leaderships; still bear the old agressive, nonconstructive and ill-intentioned mentality...

The EU membership of the so-called RoC is completely related with the global economic and "security" plans of EU and US which in it's essentials aimed to take possession of the rich natural resources of middle east and caucauses...

An economically and politically very powerful Turkey would be in the interests of us TCs, middle eastern countries, caucauses and even whole eastern world...

Preferably, an independent TRNC recognized by the Eastern world or as a province of Turkey would play an important role in order to stop the soon to be collapsed greedy western world to usurp the natural resources of East...

[bigOz]

it was Greece on the 15th July 1974 who invaded the island

How many troops did Greece invade with?

30.000? together with pro-Enosis NG and reservists which were under direct command of retard Ionnides the ultra Greek nationalist?

the Greek army’s presence in Cyprus for many years, particularly between 1963 and 1974, was very much like that of an occuping force.
According to reports in the American press, the number of illegally stationed forces in Cyprus from Greece, in contravention of international agreements, had possibly reached twenty thousand by 1967

“The 1960 Treaty of Alliance stipulates that not more than 950
Greek troops shall be stationed in Cyprus. In the wake of the crisis
that began on Christmas day 1963, however, large numbers of Greek
forces as well as arms were brougnt to the Island. By 1967, upwards
of ten to twelve thousand Greek soldiers - estimates vary - were
stationed in Cyprus.... Some reports indicated that 20 000 Greek
troops had come to Cyprus, as stated in New York Times, l9th
Novemeber 1967”.

Above figures exclude thousands of mainland Greek soldiers recruited into Greek National Guard and given Cypriot citizenships!

...and those troops were not here to protect the Greeks from any kind of danger. They were here to entrench exclusive and total Greek sovereignty in the Island first, and then to annex it to Greece. Therefore, if the term ‘‘occupying forces’ is to be used, it should be used, not for the Turkish armed forces stationed here since the summer of 1974, but for the Greek troops that were here from 1963 to July 1974.