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English chickens and EROGLU

Postby MrH » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:38 am

It is no secret that the English (I should really say the British!) were terrorised by the Greek Cypriot EOKA Campaign between 1955-1960 so much that they relinquished the Island and proclaimed it a Republic knowingly that it would not survive. Why? Because it always knew the true intentions of the GREEK CYPRIOT Ultra-Nationalists and their wish for complete Cyprus control. The English started this mess because they were to weak to handle this terrorist regime, where it should really have been their sole responsibility to seal the cap. With the Greek Cypriot south in the EU being bombarded with EU nationals from Poland, Bulgaria, Romania and etc amounting to some 18% of the GC-ROC population already and a Turkey whom no longer wants to Join the EU (or feels the need, and do you blame them), what possible hope for unification could there be with the TRNC? Particularly considering how intertwined the TRNC and Turkey have become in the face of even more failed promises and lies. It's obvious that the English have played the Greek Cypriots for a bunch of fools. Monkeys even, who know how high they will jump every time when the words of "Intervention" and "Self Determination" are mentioned. How funny it is for a journalist to laugh with his colleagues every time an article is written on the dead-beat Cyprus issue – it’s literally like a Journalist’s day off.

The Evidence is so compelling that the same parameters are still burning strong today with the strong "OXI" campaign of the Annan Plan by the Military backed Greek Cypriot Orthodox Church and their corrupt Greek Cypriot Politicians. And Guess what? Britain does NOT care anymore. They have their Two British Sovereign Bases and they are there to stay. The Greek Cypriots are so deep rooted with their on-going Terrorist campaign against the British that they still falsely demand "Rent" for the use of the British Sovereign Bases. My good God, are these people that stupid? Do they not know that the Two British Bases are NOTHING to do with the "Republic of Cyprus" and are completely "Sovereign". You would think that the word "Sovereign" would give it away. But No, not with the Ultra-Nationalist - Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus. That is why EROGLU's most recent interview below will create a new state of play on the island with Two Recognised Republic States. Put it this way, and with no disrespect to R.R.Denktas, if Mr Dervis Eroglu had resumed President power of the TRNC in the 1980s and 1990s, the Cyprus situation would have looked very different today.

In other words.....Do the Greek Cypriots not know how powerful President Dervis Eroglu is? Let me tell you that Turkey loves this man so much that he is an automatic member of the Turkish establishment in Ankara, with a strong say. Please read his last interview below:

Turkish Cypriot leader warns he is serious about year’s end deadline

Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC) President Derviş Eroğlu has vowed that time is fast running out for the settlement of the issue of the divided island of Cyprus and said back-to-back meetings with Greek Cypriot leaders have failed to produce any concrete results which satisfy both communities -- sentiments felt in Turkey also.

“I think we have no choice but to seriously evaluate our own options on whether to carry on with talks forever -- for the sake of talking -- or to stop lying to ourselves and start considering other options if we have no solution by the end of this year,” he said in an interview with Today’s Zaman on Saturday.

Though he declined to specify what “plan B” would entail in the case of the ultimate failure of the UN-sponsored talks, many observers believe that it would involve partition, and eventual separation -- with two independent states on the tiny island. Turkey already signaled it would support alternative options if talks do not yield results by the year’s end.
Eroğlu emphasized that the UN special envoy to Cyprus, Alexander Downer, has a forthcoming report -- to be presented to the UN secretary-general in November -- on the talks’ progress and stressed that the report would be a crucial milestone in determining the options available to Turkish Cypriots. “Greek Cypriots have not offered anything new to the solution of problems we are trying to settle, such as property, compensation, power sharing issues -- and they are repeating the same basic line of repackaged old offers, which, I fear, have the ultimate aim of isolating the Turkish community on the island” he said.

Eroğlu warned that the fatigue and frustration over the failure to find a solution further complicated his efforts to continue down the negotiations track, as the public had grown weary of endless, fruitless talks. “In 2004, Turkish Cypriots overwhelmingly accepted the Annan plan, hoping the issue would be settled once and for all, even though the terms were not favorable to the Turks. That chance was missed because of the Greek Cypriots, who rejected to the plan. If we have another public referendum today, most Turks will reject a similar proposal because they simply do not believe in the sincerity of the Greeks,” he explained.

The Turkish leader made it clear that Greek Cypriots had not brought forward any “new proposals” regarding reunifying the island under the ongoing Cyprus reunification talks, mediated by the UN since September 2008. “Greek Cypriot leader Dimitris Christofias has basically repeated the same proposals over and over, and these have represented nothing new,” Eroğlu pointed out.

The veteran politician, who said he had an excellent working relationship with the Turkish leadership in Ankara, acknowledged Turkish support to the settlement and said Turkey’s guarantees were very important to the Turks living on the island. “We still have bitter memories of the past during which many Turks suffered, some got killed and others went missing. But at the same time we are trying to forget this past, unlike the Greek Cypriots who still portray Turks as monsters in school textbooks,” he said.

Eroğlu’s concerns about the deadlock of talks and the approaching end-of-year deadline were also shared with Ankara during his first official visit to Ankara in June, after his election as the Turkish Cypriot president. Turkish President Abdullah Gül suggested that the Turkish Cypriot state -- recognized only by Turkey -- could function as an independent state if talks did not produce results. “The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is a country that has proven itself. It has a democracy that has proven its maturity and its economy is growing stronger,” he said.

In July, Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Çiçek said the talks could not go on forever and demanded a solution by end of the year. He warned that the failure to reach a settlement by then could lead to the partitioning of the island. “We seek a solution by the end of 2010. However, if this cannot be achieved, everyone will go their separate ways,” Çiçek said during a visit to the island.
Committed to talks, but not forever

Cyprus was divided in 1974 when the Turkish military intervened to stop the bloodshed on the island following a Greek military junta-backed coup in Cyprus. Since then, numerous rounds of UN-sponsored negotiations based on a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation have ended in failure and observers think that another collapse could prompt the UN to abandon its mediation role, possibly leading to the island’s permanent partition.
Dismissing claims that he was a separatist and simply had no interest in reconciliation, Eroğlu said he picked up from where his predecessor left off and has kept negotiating through UN mediation. “Their plan was to portray me as a hard-liner who has no real interest in talks. That backfired as I kept dealing with the most difficult problems, like the settlement of property issues. We have put forward concrete and very technical, detailed plans to solve property issues, in line with the Annan plan and rulings by the European Court of Human Rights [ECtHR]. But they rejected these proposals and insisted on returning properties to former owners after 35 years had passed -- and the facts had changed on the ground.”

The Greek camp argues that the former property owners have exclusive rights to land, even if their properties were developed by Turks on empty fields. If the Greek proposal was accepted, owners of 30-40 unit apartment complexes would become tenants in their own homes or have to leave their homes. “This is simply not acceptable and the ECtHR recognized that,” Eroğlu said, adding that any such agreement would be flatly rejected by the Turkish Cypriots in the referendum. Turkey, along with the Turkish Cypriots, have advanced a new plan that could see idle and unusable properties renovated by establishing a construction company very much like the successful Housing Development Administration of Turkey (TOKİ), which could eventually lead to some kind of settlement -- though specific details are not yet forthcoming. “The plan was positively received by the UN and was appreciated,” Eroğlu said, noting the value of Turkish Cypriot’s properties in the south and properties of Greek Cypriots, for example those in a suburb of Famagusta called Varosha (Maraş in Turkish), will increase.
EU should make up for its mistake

Briefing about the recent talks he held with the EU officials in Brussels last week, the Turkish Cypriot leader said the EU leaders had increasingly recognized the mistake that was made in 2004 by accepting a portion of the island into the EU -- even though the Greek Cypriot side rejected the UN plan. He said, “One of the leaders I met with told me that the Greek Cypriots had tricked the EU into accepting the partitioned island by pretending that they would accept the Annan plan.”

“Now it is up to the EU to fulfill its pledge to resume direct trade with the KKTC,” he said, while recalling his country was doing business directly with the 12-member EU until 1994 -- when an EU court ruling annulled previous trade links. In 2004, the EU unveiled a plan to ease the isolation of the northern side by resuming direct trade with the Turkish north but never implemented it due to the Greek Cypriots veto. “I do not think resumption of trade warrants any concession from us, nor from Turkey -- like opening up Turkey’s ports and airports to traffic from Greek Cyprus,” Eroğlu noted.


20 September 2010, Monday

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Re: English chickens and EROGLU

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:41 am

MrH wrote:It is no secret that the English (I should really say the British!) were terrorised by the Greek Cypriot EOKA Campaign between 1955-1960 so much that they relinquished the Island and proclaimed it a Republic knowingly that it would not survive. Why? Because it always knew the true intentions of the GREEK CYPRIOT Ultra-Nationalists and their wish for complete Cyprus control.

So there you go people! Now you know the paranoid reason according to MrH why the British decided to do what they did with Cyprus! Image


For those that are also interested in the technical reason read this…

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm
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Postby Gasman » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:49 pm

So .... about this 'owed rent' then?

On the one hand I read they owe NO rent. On the other I read that they 'owe millions' - which is it?

From the MoD:

http://www.sba.mod.uk/cypr-act.htm

1 Establishment of the Republic of Cyprus as an independent sovereign country

Her Majesty may by Order in Council (to be laid before Parliament after being made) declare that the constitution designated in the Order as the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus shall come into force on such day as may be specified in the Order; and on that day there shall be established in the Island of Cyprus an independent sovereign Republic of Cyprus, and Her Majesty shall have no sovereignty or jurisdiction over the Republic of Cyprus.


2 The Sovereign Base Areas

(1) The Republic of Cyprus shall comprise the entirety of the Island of Cyprus with the exception of the two areas defined as mentioned in the following subsection, and—

(a) nothing in the foregoing section shall affect Her Majesty’s sovereignty or jurisdiction over those areas;


(b) the power of Her Majesty to make or provide for the making of laws for the said areas shall include power to make such laws (relating to persons or things either within or outside the areas) and such provisions for the making of laws (relating as aforesaid) as appear to Her Majesty requisite for giving effect to arrangements with the authorities of the Republic of Cyprus.

(2) The boundaries of the said areas shall, subject to the provisions of this section, be those defined by the maps, photographs and descriptive matter, authenticated by the signature of the Secretary of State, which have been deposited at the Commonwealth Relations Office and presented to Parliament by the Secretary of State by Command of Her Majesty.
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Postby MrH » Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:32 pm

Gasman:
So .... about this 'owed rent' then?

On the one hand I read they owe NO rent. On the other I read that they 'owe millions' - which is it?

From the MoD:


Typical Greek Cypriot double standards and confusing foreign policy that only suits them when they want Gasman. When it looks like the British will assist or side with Turkey or the TRNC it's "YOU OWE RENT" and the reverse when they COMPLY!

The Greek Cypriot administration are a pack of Orthodox-ed liars, who HATE the British and even more the Turks - no matter which form.

THAT IS WHY WE EMPOWERED DERVIS EROGLU - Eski Kurt!

Demitris Christofias is laughed at, Papadopoulos was an Idiot and Klafcos Clerides has admitted that the TRNC will be recognised - How stupid are these Greek Cypriot Politicians? Let me guess, the head of the GC-Church will also one day feel cornered and will probably admit that PARTITION is the correct way forward.

The British Memorial in GIRNE is visited regularly by those BRITISH servicemen who lost family members - Women and children also! The Greek Cypriot EOKA Nationalist of yesterday and tomorrow are so transparent that all you need to do to view them is to show your KKTC passport at the Border!

Fools.
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Postby CBBB » Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:11 pm

There is not much point in replying to the pathetic posts of MrH and Gasman, they are totally delusional!
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Postby Cap » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:56 pm

CBBB wrote:There is not much point in replying to the pathetic posts of MrH and Gasman, they are totally delusional!


The only reason they're on here is to complain, blame, ridicule and belittle the RoC. Nothing more.
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Postby Gasman » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:14 pm

If you don't know the answer to the question - just say so. I didn't make any of it up!

However, yet again, a straight paste in from a website or publication (in this case the official SBA Website) is put down as being 'Gasman's delusional rantings' lol!

This site has been established to provide information about the Sovereign Base Areas, including how they are organised and administered, and on a number of key areas of activity. Please click on the appropriate link for further information on specific topics.


Why don't you contact them and tell them that they are putting delusional rantings out on their website and holding them up to be FACT?
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Postby MrH » Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:42 pm

I find it pretty sad with how the GCs in this forum stop responding to a topic when they know it's the truth. If Britain were to one day agree to dissolve their two bases in Cyprus, how long do you believe it would take them to recognise the TRNC? Let me guess, in about 24hrs.

Continue with the demand for "Rent" and in the removal of the British bases my Greek Cypriot Compatriots as it will ultimately decide on the final fate of the islands two republic state road.

This proves that the Greek Cypriot ROC administration is seriously WEAK in two fundamental areas:

1) In never being able to unify the island under a GC majority government.

2) In NEVER risking the complete claiming of the land occupied by the two British Sovereign bases.


Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Instead they prefer to pick on the defenceless Turkish Cypriot people, thus, why Turkey must always remain a Guarantor power.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:32 pm

MrH, every time you open your mouth diarrhea comes out… you just can’t help yourself!


Please SHUT UP!
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Postby Gasman » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:56 pm

Oh yeah - and the 'delusional' stuff I pasted in from the MoD website re the SBAs...



I got from a link on the CYPRUS GOVERNMENT WEBSITE.

Not some mickey mouse BLOG.
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