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Would you be prepared to live in a state politically dominated by the other?

Yes, I'm a TC and don't need any guarantees.
1
14%
Yes, I'm a GC and don't need any guarantees.
2
29%
Maybe, I'm a TC but need 1960 style constitutional guarantees.
0
No votes
Maybe, I'm a GC but need 1960 style constitutional guarantees.
0
No votes
Maybe, I'm a TC but need EU legal protection.
0
No votes
Maybe, I'm a GC but need EU legal protection.
2
29%
No, I'm a TC and will live alongside but in a separate space.
1
14%
No, I'm a GC and will live alongside but in a separate space.
1
14%
 
Total votes : 7

Living in a state dominated by the other.

Postby AWE » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:23 pm

Something that lola-tuip's thread about the 1960 constitution brought to mind.

I hope I have covered everything but please answer the poll and perhaps give a more detailed explanation
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Postby Piratis » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:47 pm

I lived in the USA for some years. I had no problem at all living in a state dominated by others.

Should I have demanded that the state I was living should be ethnically cleansed from all others so that the majority of that state are Greek Cypriots?

The issue is not who dominates a state. The problem is the ETHNIC CLEANSING and trying to dominate a territory by violating the basic human and democratic rights of the majority of the population.

So, I have no problem living in a state dominated by others if the others are the majority (like it was the case when I was in the USA). But I DO have a problem with being ethnically cleansed from our own territory so some others can dominated it.

The same is true for 100s of thousands of other Greek Cypriots, who are British, American, Australian etc citizens, but they do not expect their ethnic group to dominate the countries they live since their ethnicity is a minority in those countries. They accept democracy and equality of all citizens in those countries, and the same thing we demand for Cyprus.
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Postby AWE » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:01 pm

Piratis wrote:I lived in the USA for some years. I had no problem at all living in a state dominated by others.

Should I have demanded that the state I was living should be ethnically cleansed from all others so that the majority of that state are Greek Cypriots?

The issue is not who dominates a state. The problem is the ETHNIC CLEANSING and trying to dominate a territory by violating the basic human and democratic rights of the majority of the population.

So, I have no problem living in a state dominated by others if the others are the majority (like it was the case when I was in the USA). But I DO have a problem with being ethnically cleansed from our own territory so some others can dominated it.

The same is true for 100s of thousands of other Greek Cypriots, who are British, American, Australian etc citizens, but they do not expect their ethnic group to dominate the countries they live since their ethnicity is a minority in those countries. They accept democracy and equality of all citizens in those countries, and the same thing we demand for Cyprus.


Ok, but the question still stands would you as a GC be prepared to live in a TC dominated state and if so what assurances would you require?

what I am interested in here is not that TCs or GCs will live in a state dominate by an other but the other of the CyProb. TCs and GCs live in the UK, USA, Aus etc so that is not in question but can they or do they want live in the same space when one side dominates and under what arrangements.
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Postby B25 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:12 pm

Short of fooding Cyprus with illegal settlers they The Turks cannot dominate so your poll is null and void.

You are just trying to turn the tables so that you may catch a response that you can harp on about.

Anyway, why is an arrogant liitle english prick interested in what goes on in Cyprus, other than being a carpet bagger and wanting to protect your stolen goods. Just asking like ???
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Postby AWE » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:24 pm

B25 wrote:Short of fooding Cyprus with illegal settlers they The Turks cannot dominate so your poll is null and void.

You are just trying to turn the tables so that you may catch a response that you can harp on about.

Anyway, why is an arrogant liitle english prick interested in what goes on in Cyprus, other than being a carpet bagger and wanting to protect your stolen goods. Just asking like ???


My 'goods' were brought by my father in 1968 so not stolen. It was lola-tulip's thread that got me thinking do GCs and TCs want to live together or not http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

so would you live in the TC dominated state?
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Postby linguist » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:38 pm

well to be honest I don't think many of us would be permitted to live at all in that eventuality.
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Postby B25 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:39 pm

AWE wrote:
B25 wrote:Short of fooding Cyprus with illegal settlers they The Turks cannot dominate so your poll is null and void.

You are just trying to turn the tables so that you may catch a response that you can harp on about.

Anyway, why is an arrogant liitle english prick interested in what goes on in Cyprus, other than being a carpet bagger and wanting to protect your stolen goods. Just asking like ???


My 'goods' were brought by my father in 1968 so not stolen. It was lola-tulip's thread that got me thinking do GCs and TCs want to live together or not http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

so would you live in the TC dominated state?


AWE, you are asking a hypothetical question that can never happen.

I will not play your game.

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Postby AWE » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:46 pm

B25 wrote:
AWE wrote:
B25 wrote:Short of fooding Cyprus with illegal settlers they The Turks cannot dominate so your poll is null and void.

You are just trying to turn the tables so that you may catch a response that you can harp on about.

Anyway, why is an arrogant liitle english prick interested in what goes on in Cyprus, other than being a carpet bagger and wanting to protect your stolen goods. Just asking like ???


My 'goods' were brought by my father in 1968 so not stolen. It was lola-tulip's thread that got me thinking do GCs and TCs want to live together or not http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

so would you live in the TC dominated state?


AWE, you are asking a hypothetical question that can never happen.

I will not play your game.

Cheers


Ok, so post solution in a BBF would you move to 'Girne'?
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Postby kurupetos » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:59 pm

Bollocks!
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Postby Piratis » Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:03 pm

AWE wrote:
Piratis wrote:I lived in the USA for some years. I had no problem at all living in a state dominated by others.

Should I have demanded that the state I was living should be ethnically cleansed from all others so that the majority of that state are Greek Cypriots?

The issue is not who dominates a state. The problem is the ETHNIC CLEANSING and trying to dominate a territory by violating the basic human and democratic rights of the majority of the population.

So, I have no problem living in a state dominated by others if the others are the majority (like it was the case when I was in the USA). But I DO have a problem with being ethnically cleansed from our own territory so some others can dominated it.

The same is true for 100s of thousands of other Greek Cypriots, who are British, American, Australian etc citizens, but they do not expect their ethnic group to dominate the countries they live since their ethnicity is a minority in those countries. They accept democracy and equality of all citizens in those countries, and the same thing we demand for Cyprus.


Ok, but the question still stands would you as a GC be prepared to live in a TC dominated state and if so what assurances would you require?

what I am interested in here is not that TCs or GCs will live in a state dominate by an other but the other of the CyProb. TCs and GCs live in the UK, USA, Aus etc so that is not in question but can they or do they want live in the same space when one side dominates and under what arrangements.


No, there is no such thing as "TC dominated state" and I do not accept that Greek Cypriots should be ethnically cleansed in order to artificially create such a state on our expense.

If the TCs had their own state elsewhere (not on land stolen from us) then I would have no problem living in such a state like I don't have a problem to live in any other modern democratic country even though GCs are a minority in them.

Therefore I repeat: The issue is the ethnic cleansing.
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