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[AWE]

Our fanatical GC brothers and sisters are still holding on their long cherished dream of dominating,ruling, and punishing their hapless TC brothers and sisters for all the real and imaginary crimes of the Ottomans since 1571...The spirit of EOKA is alive and well...Just waiting for "the balance of power to change"...Then we will have the solution we all deserve......That must be obvious to you now,AWE...What say you???

Sorry I don't agree with you, only a few would count as fanatics that want to harm TCs.

[AWE]

Our fanatical GC brothers and sisters are still holding on their long cherished dream of dominating,ruling, and punishing their hapless TC brothers and sisters for all the real and imaginary crimes of the Ottomans since 1571...The spirit of EOKA is alive and well...Just waiting for "the balance of power to change"...Then we will have the solution we all deserve......That must be obvious to you now,AWE...What say you???

I think you need to wake up from you 1960's slumber. The people of Cyprus have moved on and your ridiculous accusations of mass discriminations are no longer valid.

The problem is with the TCs, thay had it too good for too long with their bread buttered on both sides and this is what they don't want to let go of.

Eroglu is testament to this attitude with his recent pathetic property proposals.

What the Turks got they keep, what they didn't mange to get, they now want. If we , the GCs comminity accepts such a discriminating proposal, we shoudl all line up and let the Turks shoot us dead.

AWE, is neither GC nor TC, just because his father bought some property in Cyprus in '68, he thinks he can tell us how we should surrender our country.

When people like AWE give the asians a seperate state in Bradford, the Jamaicans a seperate state in Brixton and have Ghandi as a rotating PM in the UK, then we might consider doing the same here. Untill then I wish they would all STFU.

Spot on, the TCs do need to see that most GCs do not mean them harm. But telling them is not enough they need to be shown and if in the interim they need some form of additional security then why not? After all it would be better than the current partition.

[B25]

AWE,

How many TCs cross to the south for work everyday?
How Many TCs cross to the south for medical treatment everyday?

How many TCs cross to the south for shopping everyday?

How easy would it be to just walk over the line and commit mass TC murder?

Come on mate, if these thousands of TCs that are here every single day do not feel threatened, just what else do we need to do??

This is the picture the Noe-Partitionists are painting, people like VP, Shah, Bir, who are trying to make a case out of nothing.

GC for TC, how many were killed, raped, dumped, mistreated?? I think you will find that the number of GCs is much higher, who needs the protection here??

Like I said, the TCs want it all their way on no way and their elected leader has said it more than once. Its upto us what we decide to go along with, I just hope to god, we don't mess up.

[AWE]

AWE,

How many TCs cross to the south for work everyday?
How Many TCs cross to the south for medical treatment everyday?

How many TCs cross to the south for shopping everyday?

How easy would it be to just walk over the line and commit mass TC murder?

Come on mate, if these thousands of TCs that are here every single day do not feel threatened, just what else do we need to do??

This is the picture the Noe-Partitionists are painting, people like VP, Shah, Bir, who are trying to make a case out of nothing.

GC for TC, how many were killed, raped, dumped, mistreated?? I think you will find that the number of GCs is much higher, who needs the protection here??

Like I said, the TCs want it all their way on no way and their elected leader has said it more than once. Its upto us what we decide to go along with, I just hope to god, we don't mess up.

How many TCs live in the South, given they can move there and get their property back why are there not more doing so?

So the aim is to prove to the TC electorate that they can live with the GCs, if the partitionists are saying otherwise call their bluff, go for a BBF with termination clauses and see what happens. otherwise the partitionists will continue to dominate TC politics.

[revolver]

"The issue is not who dominates a state. The problem is the ETHNIC CLEANSING and trying to dominate a territory by violating the basic human and democratic rights of the majority of the population"


Etnic Cleansing?
You dont know what etnic cleansing my friend. You probably not know what is going on in the north for past ten years: IT IS ASIMILATION.
Soon, within next five years, you will not find any TC's to discuss but all the settlers. I think, this is the thing you want.
So, ask us, ask and learn before lost in your highly biased, higly racist, higly pro-eoka propoganda mechanism.

[Piratis]

I am all in favour of a single state with true democracy in Cyprus but I fear that it will not happen and partition is here unless something is done, this is where a BBF can be a step towards a single state not partition.

BBF, especially in the form that TCs demand it, is partition, not "a step towards a single state".

Such BBF would legalize the results of the invasion and the ethnic cleansing and would officially create a Turkish state in Cyprus. How can this be a step towards a single state? Can you give me another example in history where such thing happened? Even the Belgians are struggling to maintain their Federation (let alone creating a single state) and they share the same religion, had no major conflicts, and they have a system which is way way more uniting than the one TCs want to be imposed in Cyprus.

As TCs don't want to live with GCs, this may be due to the fact they don't feel that the GCs state will administer them fairly - we all know that in Cyprus laws are applied selectively. The only way to stop the partition is to prove to TCs that they will not be discriminated against in a GC dominated state.

Given the current situation that crossing the green line is as complicated as entering many countries a BBF would make it more akin to crossing from England in to Wales. The BBF agreement must have termination clauses so that the BBF is a step towards a single state and not partition.

The reason TCs don't want to live with GCs is because they are promised by foreign powers way more than their fair share on the expense of GCs. The aim of the TCs is to get as much for themselves as they can, even if that would violate the human and democratic rights of the majority of the population.

The TCs started to demand partition before any inter-communal conflict and before they even tried to live in a "GC dominated state". Therefore the sequence of events proves that such excuses do not stand.

If UK and Turkey never brought up partition plans and never supported such thing, then the TCs themselves would have never even thought about such thing.

Therefore the demands for separation and partition have everything to do with the interests of certain imperialists and their plans for Cyprus, and nothing to do with how fairly the GCs can administer a state, something the TCs didn't even give us the chance to do since they started to demand partition, segregation and racist discriminations long before the creation of such a state.

There are many other minorities in Cyprus, and they have no problem whatsoever living along a majority of GCs. I am not going to say that GCs are perfect, nobody is. But we can administer a country better than many, say the Turks in Turkey, who do not even allow basic human rights to the minorities there and yet the TCs never seemed to have a problem with this.

Most importantly, a democratically run state will not be administered just by GCs, but by Cypriots as a whole. The 18% of TCs would get their proportional share and we would have no problem to have this proportional share guaranteed in the constitution, something which is already more than any other ethnic/religious/linguistic minority gets in any other country.

The problem exists because of the interests of Turkey and UK and the way which they exploited the greediness among the TCs (a greediness which exists among most humans) and it is about time to look at the forest, the big picture of the Cyprus Problem, instead of searching among the bushes for lame excuses.

[Piratis]

"The issue is not who dominates a state. The problem is the ETHNIC CLEANSING and trying to dominate a territory by violating the basic human and democratic rights of the majority of the population"


Etnic Cleansing?
You dont know what etnic cleansing my friend. You probably not know what is going on in the north for past ten years: IT IS ASIMILATION.
Soon, within next five years, you will not find any TC's to discuss but all the settlers. I think, this is the thing you want.
So, ask us, ask and learn before lost in your highly biased, higly racist, higly pro-eoka propoganda mechanism.

The ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots from the north part of Cyprus came first, with TCs blessings. These GCs were replaced with Turkish Settlers, again with TCs blessings. Now you are blaming us because TCs are assimilated with the mainland Turks, something which was the aim of your own leadership?

What did I say that was "racist"? And where did you see any "pro-eoka propaganda" here? Are you actually reading the thread, or are you just imagining things?

[AWE]

I am all in favour of a single state with true democracy in Cyprus but I fear that it will not happen and partition is here unless something is done, this is where a BBF can be a step towards a single state not partition.

BBF, especially in the form that TCs demand it, is partition, not "a step towards a single state".

Such BBF would legalize the results of the invasion and the ethnic cleansing and would officially create a Turkish state in Cyprus. How can this be a step towards a single state? Can you give me another example in history where such thing happened? Even the Belgians are struggling to maintain their Federation (let alone creating a single state) and they share the same religion, had no major conflicts, and they have a system which is way way more uniting than the one TCs want to be imposed in Cyprus.

As TCs don't want to live with GCs, this may be due to the fact they don't feel that the GCs state will administer them fairly - we all know that in Cyprus laws are applied selectively. The only way to stop the partition is to prove to TCs that they will not be discriminated against in a GC dominated state.

Given the current situation that crossing the green line is as complicated as entering many countries a BBF would make it more akin to crossing from England in to Wales. The BBF agreement must have termination clauses so that the BBF is a step towards a single state and not partition.

The reason TCs don't want to live with GCs is because they are promised by foreign powers way more than their fair share on the expense of GCs. The aim of the TCs is to get as much for themselves as they can, even if that would violate the human and democratic rights of the majority of the population.

The TCs started to demand partition before any inter-communal conflict and before they even tried to live in a "GC dominated state". Therefore the sequence of events proves that such excuses do not stand.

If UK and Turkey never brought up partition plans and never supported such thing, then the TCs themselves would have never even thought about such thing.

Therefore the demands for separation and partition have everything to do with the interests of certain imperialists and their plans for Cyprus, and nothing to do with how fairly the GCs can administer a state, something the TCs didn't even give us the chance to do since they started to demand partition, segregation and racist discriminations long before the creation of such a state.

There are many other minorities in Cyprus, and they have no problem whatsoever living along a majority of GCs. I am not going to say that GCs are perfect, nobody is. But we can administer a country better than many, say the Turks in Turkey, who do not even allow basic human rights to the minorities there and yet the TCs never seemed to have a problem with this.

Most importantly, a democratically run state will not be administered just by GCs, but by Cypriots as a whole. The 18% of TCs would get their proportional share and we would have no problem to have this proportional share guaranteed in the constitution, something which is already more than any other ethnic/religious/linguistic minority gets in any other country.

The problem exists because of the interests of Turkey and UK and the way which they exploited the greediness among the TCs (a greediness which exists among most humans) and it is about time to look at the forest, the big picture of the Cyprus Problem, instead of searching among the bushes for lame excuses.

did you see the bit about termination clauses n the BBF agreement? this idea here is to agree to a BBF as a way of sayin to the TCS we understand you feel unsafe, but when certain points are reached and we haven't 'shot you in your beds' then the BBF can be dissolved.

now you are going to say the TCs demand this form of BBF but GCs demand a single state - at the moment neither is happing! so given the ease of crossing the green line partition is a more apt description of the status quo and a BBF has got to be better.

[kurupetos]

Our fanatical GC brothers and sisters are still holding on their long cherished dream of dominating,ruling, and punishing their hapless TC brothers and sisters for all the real and imaginary crimes of the Ottomans since 1571...The spirit of EOKA is alive and well...Just waiting for "the balance of power to change"...Then we will have the solution we all deserve......That must be obvious to you now,AWE...What say you???

Same old bullshit.

[Piratis]

I am all in favour of a single state with true democracy in Cyprus but I fear that it will not happen and partition is here unless something is done, this is where a BBF can be a step towards a single state not partition.

BBF, especially in the form that TCs demand it, is partition, not "a step towards a single state".

Such BBF would legalize the results of the invasion and the ethnic cleansing and would officially create a Turkish state in Cyprus. How can this be a step towards a single state? Can you give me another example in history where such thing happened? Even the Belgians are struggling to maintain their Federation (let alone creating a single state) and they share the same religion, had no major conflicts, and they have a system which is way way more uniting than the one TCs want to be imposed in Cyprus.

As TCs don't want to live with GCs, this may be due to the fact they don't feel that the GCs state will administer them fairly - we all know that in Cyprus laws are applied selectively. The only way to stop the partition is to prove to TCs that they will not be discriminated against in a GC dominated state.

Given the current situation that crossing the green line is as complicated as entering many countries a BBF would make it more akin to crossing from England in to Wales. The BBF agreement must have termination clauses so that the BBF is a step towards a single state and not partition.

The reason TCs don't want to live with GCs is because they are promised by foreign powers way more than their fair share on the expense of GCs. The aim of the TCs is to get as much for themselves as they can, even if that would violate the human and democratic rights of the majority of the population.

The TCs started to demand partition before any inter-communal conflict and before they even tried to live in a "GC dominated state". Therefore the sequence of events proves that such excuses do not stand.

If UK and Turkey never brought up partition plans and never supported such thing, then the TCs themselves would have never even thought about such thing.

Therefore the demands for separation and partition have everything to do with the interests of certain imperialists and their plans for Cyprus, and nothing to do with how fairly the GCs can administer a state, something the TCs didn't even give us the chance to do since they started to demand partition, segregation and racist discriminations long before the creation of such a state.

There are many other minorities in Cyprus, and they have no problem whatsoever living along a majority of GCs. I am not going to say that GCs are perfect, nobody is. But we can administer a country better than many, say the Turks in Turkey, who do not even allow basic human rights to the minorities there and yet the TCs never seemed to have a problem with this.

Most importantly, a democratically run state will not be administered just by GCs, but by Cypriots as a whole. The 18% of TCs would get their proportional share and we would have no problem to have this proportional share guaranteed in the constitution, something which is already more than any other ethnic/religious/linguistic minority gets in any other country.

The problem exists because of the interests of Turkey and UK and the way which they exploited the greediness among the TCs (a greediness which exists among most humans) and it is about time to look at the forest, the big picture of the Cyprus Problem, instead of searching among the bushes for lame excuses.

did you see the bit about termination clauses n the BBF agreement? this idea here is to agree to a BBF as a way of sayin to the TCS we understand you feel unsafe, but when certain points are reached and we haven't 'shot you in your beds' then the BBF can be dissolved.

I don't know about what termination clauses in which BBF agreement you refer to. But you are being utterly unrealistic if you believe that the TCs will ever voluntarily agree to dissolve a Turkish state in Cyprus once they manage to legalize the creation of such thing. You think that once the TCs would legally gain 50% of the power and a ton of gains on the expense of GCs they will one day come and voluntarily give all these things up for the sake of fairness? We are living on planet earth and not in Wonderland!

now you are going to say the TCs demand this form of BBF but GCs demand a single state - at the moment neither is happing! so given the ease of crossing the green line partition is a more apt description of the status quo and a BBF has got to be better.

Obviously what we have today is partition. If we are talking about BBF like Annan plan, then that would also be partition and one which is worst for GCs than the status quo. (and I explained why many times in this forum). It all depends on the content of the BBF plan. There could be a BBF kind of proposal that would be better for us than the status quo and even though it will not be an ideal solution a majority of GCs could be enticed to approve such a proposal. But from what I see from the TC proposals this is not going to happen.