insan wrote:Kikapu wrote:insan wrote:Kikapu wrote:insan wrote:wyoming cowboy wrote:Mr. Eroglu neglected to mention that Gc would be restricted from doing business in the Tc state nor be able to buy land or have equal rights, A British German or Zulu could buy and have equal rights but a Gc in his own island would not be able to work in the Tc state or even start a business, let alone be able to voice his/her opinion against the Tc state. Why wouldn't Eroglu mention the violations of civil and human rights thats included in his property proposals......Why doesnt Christofias bring these points up to counter and challenge the Turk regime??
Where did you get your news, Talisker? Everyone would be able to buy or sell, do business or anything in TC constituents state
as long as TC interests not affected negatively... you are forgeting that in every democracy, where one's rights ends; the rights of other's start...
What are you saying, Insan, that the TCs do not believe in Capitalism and free market.??
Now, if the north were to become an independent sovereign country, the TCs then can run it with all the protectionism they want for themselves, as long as they are not in the EU of course, so not to deprive other EU citizens of such unfair practises, but any unification will need to follow the basic EU principles of Democracy and Human Rights don't you think.?
Kikapu, TCs; particularly the right wingers do believe in capitalism and free market but is there any country on planet earth that don't have protective laws and regualtions in the name of national interests?
For every country, the national interests is the primary value... every government legislate laws and regulations to protect or enhance it's national interests...
Of course EU has it's own laws and regulations and if TCs want to be a part of EU they have to abide by the laws and regulations of EU... You know that derogations in EU legislative measure which allows for all or part of the legal measure to be applied differently, or not at all, to individuals, groups or organisations; is a choice given to allow for greater flexibility in the application of the law, enabling Member States or social partners to take into account special circumstances...
During the negotiations of Annan Plan, then the TC leadership asked some temporary and permenant derogations from the EU in the name of TC communal interests... In my opinion, most of the temporary derogations asked by then the TC leadership were justified but can't say the same for permenant derogations... Asking for permenant derogations is neither rational nor feasible in EU...
Your answer would have been very suitable, Insan, if we were talking about "national interests" of one country over another and not the "TCs self interest" over their fellow citizens, the GCs in Cyprus as a country. Your reference of protecting TCs interest when you said
"as long as TC interests not affected negatively", surely you meant protection from their own countrymen, the GCs. That being the case, show me anywhere in the world in any country where Democracy and Human Rights are respected, that a ethnic group of that country are given economic protectionism rights over their other fellow ethnic groups, if you can.?? I'm not talking about giving minority rights and quotas to minority groups in the work places in the form of "affirmative action" over the majority, and since you do not want the TCs to be treated as a minority community, I'm sure you are not talking about "affirmative actions". Don't confuse national protectionism interest over other nations from Racist protectionism by one ethnic group over another fellow equal citizens from the same country.!!
In the case of Cyprus; it has nothing to do with racism... It is very obvious that the essential of the issue and intention is to create the required circumstances mainly for the 2 major communities of Cyprus for their peaceful coexistence based on "poltical equality" which clearly was described in UN resolutions and reaffirmed many times...
Two major communities must be given fair chance to peacefully compete with each other, otherwise superiority of one ethnic group over the other would lead the other community feel inferior and eventually end up with another inter-communal strife...
Kikapu, please don't compare other democracies with Cyprus because every situation must be evaluated and judged in their own special circumstances... otherwise it's impossible to find a commonly accepted solution to the Cyprus problem that would mainly make happy the two major communities of Cyprus, not the people of compared countries...
Insan, you are now once again changing your story for the second time from your original claim. You are now saying, unless the TCs are on the same economic status as the GCs, there will be
once again ethnic violence, which is a bunch of baloney. Before I go into your post in more detail, I want you to read this article and then tell me why there isn't any violence in the north based on TCs becoming jobless while the Turks and other foreigners have either become owners of establishments and/or have taken most of the jobs away from the TCs, which now the TCs are wanting to impose quotas as to how many of them ought to be hired in the form of "affirmative action", which is normally reserved for minority groups given to them by the majority. This article seems to suggest that the TCs are a minority in the north as well as the most unemployed, and that being the case, where is the violence between the Turks and the TCs, since the Turks and their other fellow foreigners are benefiting economically more than the TCs.???
Northern Cyprus tackles lingering unemploymentREETA PAAKKINEN
NICOSIA - Hürriyet Daily News
Sunday, September 19, 2010
Northern Cyprus is introducing quotas for local workers in the tourism sector in order to reduce the jobless rate among its citizens, according to Türkay Tokel, the minister for labor and social security. The government is also preparing alternatives to increasing the retirement age from the current 50 to 60 years
The government in Turkish Cyprus is introducing minimum quotas for local workers in the tourism sector to cut down on unemployment among its citizens, according to the minister for social security and labor, Türkay Tokel.
At present, unemployment in northern Cyprus stands at approximately 12 percent, and is highest among youths between 15 and 24 years old, of whom 31.4 percent are unemployed.
To alleviate the situation, the number of foreign workers in northern Cyprus will be managed by introducing incentives and a minimum quota for employing citizens as well as limiting the number of work permits given to non-nationals, Tokel told Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review earlier this month. At present, the share of Turkish Cypriot employees at some of the larger hotels and tourism enterprises is as low as 5 percent.
"There is a serious unemployment problem in northern Cyprus, which we are trying to tackle by introducing incentives," Tokel said. "From January on, the state has been paying the employer's share of the worker's social security premiums on behalf of any private sector employer who hires a citizen of northern Cyprus. With this scheme we have managed to employ 1,100 young people. But this alone will not be enough, so we are introducing other incentives. We have taken tourism sector as the primary focus."
Starting from next month, the ministry plans to gradually introduce a minimum quota for tourism sector enterprises in northern Cyprus. "We are starting with a minimum quota of 30 percent for employees who are citizens of northern Cyprus and may bring this up to 35 percent next year," Tokel said.
The minister also noted that with the state paying the employer's share of the social security cost, it will be up to the enterprises to set wages that would attract the local workforce. The tourism sector in northern Cyprus, and especially large Turkish-owned hotels, has often been criticized for offering low salaries, making the sector a less attractive employment option for local youths.
"We are issuing loans to tourism enterprises, providing them with facilities and will also pay the employer's share of the social security fee, so it is up to them to set wages that can attract locals. There is no point in pulling international investors anywhere unless they add something to the local economy. Having only 5 to 15 percent of staff composed of citizens of northern Cyprus is not enough," Tokel said. "In the future, a hotel that does not comply with the minimum quota will not be able to get further work permits for its non-national employees."
Upcoming pension reformAnother way Turkish Cyprus is tackling its ailing social security situation is a pension reform. The ministry of labor and social security has prepared six projections on how northern Cyprus could gradually increase its retirement age from the current 50 years to 60 years.
"If the government accepts the projections, then we will draft the law as soon as possible, after which it will be debated in Parliament and enacted into law. The details of the reform are yet to be decided on, but what I can say in a short is that after the reform, retirement at 50 will just not be possible," Tokel said.
The ultimate goal of the reform is to manage the social security funding gap in northern Cyprus, which, according to Tokel, currently widens by 10 million Turkish Liras each month. There are approximately 27,500 retired people in northern Cyprus who get a total of 40 million liras of pension payments each month. However, those in active employment contribute only 30 million liras a month. The new pensioners and unemployment is also making it difficult to make ends meet. "We are proposing a step-by-step transition to a new system, which is likely to raise less opposition than a sudden sharp increase in the retirement age. We believe we can bring a change in the system over the remaining of 2010, but this will also depend on the political landscape," Tokel said.
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insan wrote:In the case of Cyprus; it has nothing to do with racism... It is very obvious that the essential of the issue and intention is to create the required circumstances mainly for the 2 major communities of Cyprus for their peaceful coexistence based on "poltical equality" which clearly was described in UN resolutions and reaffirmed many times...
This has nothing to do with what we are talking about. "Political Equality" is meant for everyone in the BBF, which is meant to be for both states, and not for both communities. I have not read anywhere where it says that "political equality" means that both or all communities all have equal political power, which you seem to suggest that they do. But you also go one step further and make the claim, that both the communities (and others perhaps) also need to have "economic equality", or else there will be violence. Really.?????
insan wrote:Two major communities must be given fair chance to peacefully compete with each other, otherwise superiority of one ethnic group over the other would lead the other community feel inferior and eventually end up with another inter-communal strife...
So what you are saying is, if there are 1000 millionaires in the south, there must be also be 1000 millionaires in the north post settlement. If the GDP of the south is $20 billion, the same must be in the north also. Really.??? Are you telling me all of the 27 EU member states are all "economic equals" or even those living in the western part of Germany over eastern part, or England vs. Wales, Scotland and N.Ireland.?? Do all the 50 states in the US all enjoy the same "economic equality" with each other.?? Or does all the neighbourhoods in any given city in the world all enjoy the same "economic equality".? Well, they don't and I do not see economic based violence between the neighbourhoods, between states or between countries in the EU, therefore you claim is totally baseless.
The only time a community or a state prospers economically is by having a Free Market and Capitalism. In order for the consumer to get the best possible product at the best price, is through Free Market. The north had for the last 36 years a potential 70 million Turks in Turkey to sell their products to, but were only able to export approximately $36 million dollars worth of products. In the meantime, the north imported from Turkey over $1 billion dollars worth of goods. It seems to me that the north does not have very much that anyone wants or does not produce enough to export. Surely you do not expect the south to reduce their export to $36 million dollars also and kill Free Market just so that the north gets to have "economic equality" with the south. It appears that the major industries the north has going for itself are Gambling, Prostitution, Tourism and what ever illegal activities go in the north, are the industries that are operated by the Turks. The TCs main industry was/is in dealing stolen GC properties, which not only they have morally corrupted themselves, but also committed "Sins of Haram".! Lets face it, Insan, that the TCs haven't done very much for themselves economically in the last 36 years, in their "own country", even when they have been free from those GCS who are more business oriented and are better creating economically superiority. Please don't even bring up the so called "economic isolation" of the north by the world. The truth is, the north does not produce anything that is needed by the world that Turkey doesn't already produce, which are most probably better quality and cheaper. The north has Turkey's 70 million market open to them. All they sold, was $36 million dollars worth of goods. Go figure.!
In all honesty, what the north needs in the north post settlement not more Turks, but a lot of GCs to help economically build the north. But of course, the north only wants 15% GCs of the population in the north as well as deny them all of their Democratic and Human Rights, and you expect the south to treat the north with "kid gloves" when it comes to trade . In a word, Insan, the north will become a
"road kill" if they went head to head with the south on their own, and no amount of economic protectionism is going to help the north to prosper, since they can't even prosper at the moment, even with all the money Turkey is pumping into the north, and without Free Trade, the north won't even be in the EU as part of Cyprus.!
By the way, the past inter-communal strife was not based economic differences between the community, but based on faulty 1960 constitution and desires of both sides to achieve Enosis and Taksim. Lets make sure that the future settlement is based on Democratic and Human Rights as well as Free Market and for the TCs to let go of Taksim, which they have not to date as the GCs have done so with Enosis.!
insan wrote:Kikapu, please don't compare other democracies with Cyprus because every situation must be evaluated and judged in their own special circumstances... otherwise it's impossible to find a commonly accepted solution to the Cyprus problem that would mainly make happy the two major communities of Cyprus, not the people of compared countries...
The only time you are going to have problems in Cyprus post settlement (assuming another AP type of plan is accepted by the GCs), is when one community has more rights than others by violating their Democratic Rights, Human Rights as well as keeping most of their properties, and if all that wasn't bad enough, now you also want to have "economic equality" also, whether those in the north have earned it or not.! Did I forget anything, Insan.???
