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[Kikapu]

Mr. Eroglu neglected to mention that Gc would be restricted from doing business in the Tc state nor be able to buy land or have equal rights, A British German or Zulu could buy and have equal rights but a Gc in his own island would not be able to work in the Tc state or even start a business, let alone be able to voice his/her opinion against the Tc state. Why wouldn't Eroglu mention the violations of civil and human rights thats included in his property proposals......Why doesnt Christofias bring these points up to counter and challenge the Turk regime??

Where did you get your news, Talisker? Everyone would be able to buy or sell, do business or anything in TC constituents state as long as TC interests not affected negatively... you are forgeting that in every democracy, where one's rights ends; the rights of other's start...

What are you saying, Insan, that the TCs do not believe in Capitalism and free market.??

Now, if the north were to become an independent sovereign country, the TCs then can run it with all the protectionism they want for themselves, as long as they are not in the EU of course, so not to deprive other EU citizens of such unfair practises, but any unification will need to follow the basic EU principles of Democracy and Human Rights don't you think.?

[insan]

Mr. Eroglu neglected to mention that Gc would be restricted from doing business in the Tc state nor be able to buy land or have equal rights, A British German or Zulu could buy and have equal rights but a Gc in his own island would not be able to work in the Tc state or even start a business, let alone be able to voice his/her opinion against the Tc state. Why wouldn't Eroglu mention the violations of civil and human rights thats included in his property proposals......Why doesnt Christofias bring these points up to counter and challenge the Turk regime??

Where did you get your news, Talisker? Everyone would be able to buy or sell, do business or anything in TC constituents state as long as TC interests not affected negatively... you are forgeting that in every democracy, where one's rights ends; the rights of other's start...

What are you saying, Insan, that the TCs do not believe in Capitalism and free market.??

Now, if the north were to become an independent sovereign country, the TCs then can run it with all the protectionism they want for themselves, as long as they are not in the EU of course, so not to deprive other EU citizens of such unfair practises, but any unification will need to follow the basic EU principles of Democracy and Human Rights don't you think.?

Kikapu, TCs; particularly the right wingers do believe in capitalism and free market but is there any country on planet earth that don't have protective laws and regualtions in the name of national interests?

For every country, the national interests is the primary value... every government legislate laws and regulations to protect or enhance it's national interests...

Of course EU has it's own laws and regulations and if TCs want to be a part of EU they have to abide by the laws and regulations of EU... You know that derogations in EU legislative measure which allows for all or part of the legal measure to be applied differently, or not at all, to individuals, groups or organisations; is a choice given to allow for greater flexibility in the application of the law, enabling Member States or social partners to take into account special circumstances...

During the negotiations of Annan Plan, then the TC leadership asked some temporary and permenant derogations from the EU in the name of TC communal interests... In my opinion, most of the temporary derogations asked by then the TC leadership were justified but can't say the same for permenant derogations... Asking for permenant derogations is neither rational nor feasible in EU...

[Kikapu]

Mr. Eroglu neglected to mention that Gc would be restricted from doing business in the Tc state nor be able to buy land or have equal rights, A British German or Zulu could buy and have equal rights but a Gc in his own island would not be able to work in the Tc state or even start a business, let alone be able to voice his/her opinion against the Tc state. Why wouldn't Eroglu mention the violations of civil and human rights thats included in his property proposals......Why doesnt Christofias bring these points up to counter and challenge the Turk regime??

Where did you get your news, Talisker? Everyone would be able to buy or sell, do business or anything in TC constituents state as long as TC interests not affected negatively... you are forgeting that in every democracy, where one's rights ends; the rights of other's start...

What are you saying, Insan, that the TCs do not believe in Capitalism and free market.??

Now, if the north were to become an independent sovereign country, the TCs then can run it with all the protectionism they want for themselves, as long as they are not in the EU of course, so not to deprive other EU citizens of such unfair practises, but any unification will need to follow the basic EU principles of Democracy and Human Rights don't you think.?

Kikapu, TCs; particularly the right wingers do believe in capitalism and free market but is there any country on planet earth that don't have protective laws and regualtions in the name of national interests?

For every country, the national interests is the primary value... every government legislate laws and regulations to protect or enhance it's national interests...

Of course EU has it's own laws and regulations and if TCs want to be a part of EU they have to abide by the laws and regulations of EU... You know that derogations in EU legislative measure which allows for all or part of the legal measure to be applied differently, or not at all, to individuals, groups or organisations; is a choice given to allow for greater flexibility in the application of the law, enabling Member States or social partners to take into account special circumstances...

During the negotiations of Annan Plan, then the TC leadership asked some temporary and permenant derogations from the EU in the name of TC communal interests... In my opinion, most of the temporary derogations asked by then the TC leadership were justified but can't say the same for permenant derogations... Asking for permenant derogations is neither rational nor feasible in EU...

Your answer would have been very suitable, Insan, if we were talking about "national interests" of one country over another and not the "TCs self interest" over their fellow citizens, the GCs in Cyprus as a country. Your reference of protecting TCs interest when you said "as long as TC interests not affected negatively", surely you meant protection from their own countrymen, the GCs. That being the case, show me anywhere in the world in any country where Democracy and Human Rights are respected, that a ethnic group of that country are given economic protectionism rights over their other fellow ethnic groups, if you can.?? I'm not talking about giving minority rights and quotas to minority groups in the work places in the form of "affirmative action" over the majority, and since you do not want the TCs to be treated as a minority community, I'm sure you are not talking about "affirmative actions". Don't confuse national protectionism interest over other nations from Racist protectionism by one ethnic group over another fellow equal citizens from the same country.!!

[insan]

Mr. Eroglu neglected to mention that Gc would be restricted from doing business in the Tc state nor be able to buy land or have equal rights, A British German or Zulu could buy and have equal rights but a Gc in his own island would not be able to work in the Tc state or even start a business, let alone be able to voice his/her opinion against the Tc state. Why wouldn't Eroglu mention the violations of civil and human rights thats included in his property proposals......Why doesnt Christofias bring these points up to counter and challenge the Turk regime??

Where did you get your news, Talisker? Everyone would be able to buy or sell, do business or anything in TC constituents state as long as TC interests not affected negatively... you are forgeting that in every democracy, where one's rights ends; the rights of other's start...

What are you saying, Insan, that the TCs do not believe in Capitalism and free market.??

Now, if the north were to become an independent sovereign country, the TCs then can run it with all the protectionism they want for themselves, as long as they are not in the EU of course, so not to deprive other EU citizens of such unfair practises, but any unification will need to follow the basic EU principles of Democracy and Human Rights don't you think.?

Kikapu, TCs; particularly the right wingers do believe in capitalism and free market but is there any country on planet earth that don't have protective laws and regualtions in the name of national interests?

For every country, the national interests is the primary value... every government legislate laws and regulations to protect or enhance it's national interests...

Of course EU has it's own laws and regulations and if TCs want to be a part of EU they have to abide by the laws and regulations of EU... You know that derogations in EU legislative measure which allows for all or part of the legal measure to be applied differently, or not at all, to individuals, groups or organisations; is a choice given to allow for greater flexibility in the application of the law, enabling Member States or social partners to take into account special circumstances...

During the negotiations of Annan Plan, then the TC leadership asked some temporary and permenant derogations from the EU in the name of TC communal interests... In my opinion, most of the temporary derogations asked by then the TC leadership were justified but can't say the same for permenant derogations... Asking for permenant derogations is neither rational nor feasible in EU...

Your answer would have been very suitable, Insan, if we were talking about "national interests" of one country over another and not the "TCs self interest" over their fellow citizens, the GCs in Cyprus as a country. Your reference of protecting TCs interest when you said "as long as TC interests not affected negatively", surely you meant protection from their own countrymen, the GCs. That being the case, show me anywhere in the world in any country where Democracy and Human Rights are respected, that a ethnic group of that country are given economic protectionism rights over their other fellow ethnic groups, if you can.?? I'm not talking about giving minority rights and quotas to minority groups in the work places in the form of "affirmative action" over the majority, and since you do not want the TCs to be treated as a minority community, I'm sure you are not talking about "affirmative actions". Don't confuse national protectionism interest over other nations from Racist protectionism by one ethnic group over another fellow equal citizens from the same country.!!

In the case of Cyprus; it has nothing to do with racism... It is very obvious that the essential of the issue and intention is to create the required circumstances mainly for the 2 major communities of Cyprus for their peaceful coexistence based on "poltical equality" which clearly was described in UN resolutions and reaffirmed many times...

Two major communities must be given fair chance to peacefully compete with each other, otherwise superiority of one ethnic group over the other would lead the other community feel inferior and eventually end up with another inter-communal strife...

Kikapu, please don't compare other democracies with Cyprus because every situation must be evaluated and judged in their own special circumstances... otherwise it's impossible to find a commonly accepted solution to the Cyprus problem that would mainly make happy the two major communities of Cyprus, not the people of compared countries...

[Viewpoint]

Great post insan well done.

[B25]

Great post insan well done.

Yes, well, when you are in fantasy land everything is perfect.

The turks want whats theirs and they want whats ours. Thats the crux of the matter whichever way you slice it.

A few thousand TCs demand political equality with a million GCs. You are taking the piss.

Dream on boys.

[Viewpoint]

Great post insan well done.

Yes, well, when you are in fantasy land everything is perfect.

The turks want whats theirs and they want whats ours. Thats the crux of the matter whichever way you slice it.

A few thousand TCs demand political equality with a million GCs. You are taking the piss.

Dream on boys.

then why dont you piss off?

[B25]

Great post insan well done.

Yes, well, when you are in fantasy land everything is perfect.

The turks want whats theirs and they want whats ours. Thats the crux of the matter whichever way you slice it.

A few thousand TCs demand political equality with a million GCs. You are taking the piss.

Dream on boys.

then why dont you piss off?

A typical answer when you have been cornered and cannot respond. You just know I am right, right??

[Viewpoint]

You are the one who cannot respond to insans post by ignoring reality.

[Get Real!]

Two major communities must be given fair chance to peacefully compete with each other, otherwise superiority of one ethnic group over the other would lead the other community feel inferior and eventually end up with another inter-communal strife...

That’s why your “major community” must now peacefully compete with the ever growing Turkish imports!

Honestly Insan, some of your posts are like the words of a twelve year old…