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[kurupetos]

GR, the poor fellow, has the illusion that it is possible to solve the Cyprus issue on the basis of "justice and international law". This kind of thinking is totally wrong, because:

a. As history and international diplomacy teach us, disputes and crisises between countries and nations are always tackled and fixed on the basis of strategic interests and the balance of power and never on the basis of the principles of justice.

b. The principles of justice are never static, constant or absolute. On the contrary, they are subject to interpretations which are constantly changing too, according to the strategic and political facts that exist at the time the effort is made at solving the problem.

Cyprus problem can only be solved with war when that becomes possible. Anybody else that thinks that Cyprus can be liberated in another way is stupid.

[Nikitas]

"it would be useful to know which bit of the pain he is willing to share."

And now I am expecting to hear from Bananiot and other "realists" on the forum to explain the above quandary of the reporter.

In reality Eroglu and his community are not expecting to share any of the pain. They are playing this bullshit "realist", "moderate" attitude while not yielding an inch on the issue of territory, properties, settlers.

[insan]

"it would be useful to know which bit of the pain he is willing to share."

And now I am expecting to hear from Bananiot and other "realists" on the forum to explain the above quandary of the reporter.

In reality Eroglu and his community are not expecting to share any of the pain. They are playing this bullshit "realist", "moderate" attitude while not yielding an inch on the issue of territory, properties, settlers.

Whatever we explained/explain to you, I'm 100% sure of that you won't agree with us as usual... so why do you ask? Keep believing your own realities Mr. Nikitas...

[SKI-preo]

Things are the way they are for a reason. Things will stay the way they are for a reason.The Embargo on the regime cannot simply be lifted even though some have tried.It is not possible to retrospectively legalize the invasion and ethnic cleansing.The only way this will happen is if Bananiot became president and just signed a treaty replacing previous positions. Errorglue must stop promising his people and the settlers things that are legally impossible.

[Bananiot]

Sotos, kouroupettos, ski-preo, how many idiots can fit into one page. The only war we should wage (greeks and turks) is against idiocy and stupidity ...

[observer]

GR, the poor fellow, has the illusion that it is possible to solve the Cyprus issue on the basis of "justice and international law". This kind of thinking is totally wrong, because:

a. As history and international diplomacy teach us, disputes and crisises between countries and nations are always tackled and fixed on the basis of strategic interests and the balance of power and never on the basis of the principles of justice.

b. The principles of justice are never static, constant or absolute. On the contrary, they are subject to interpretations which are constantly changing too, according to the strategic and political facts that exist at the time the effort is made at solving the problem.

Cyprus problem can only be solved with war when that becomes possible. Anybody that thinks that Cyprus can be liberated in another way is stupid.

Isn't that rather how the Cyprus problem started?

[kurupetos]

Sotos, kouroupettos, ski-preo, how many idiots can fit into one page. The only war we should wage (greeks and turks) is against idiocy and stupidity ...

I see only one idiot in this thread! YOU!

[Nikitas]

Insan asks "so why do you ask?"

I ask because Eroglu in the interview posted above is the one who mentioned pain and the sharing thereof. He is obviously referring to the pain of the compromise involved in a solution. And as the reporter said, it is not clear which part of the pain Eroglu is offering to share. Let me list a few things for you

Territory- Eroglu refused any adjustment which might involve "dislocation"

Properties- He refuses any deal which will upset those now in possession, additionally he proposes the PDC wto develop TC properties in the south. So to put in plainly, the TCs keep the GC properties in the north, but do not exchange them for TC properties in the south, because they want to keep hold of those and exploit them.

Settlers- none to be repatriated

Coastline, the major resource in tourist economies, he wants the set up that gives the TCs 55 per cent.

THe biggest trick of all is that any of these posistions will chage during the "give and take" phase. If we fall for that one then we deserve what we get. Nothing will change, not now, not in the give and take. We are fools to think that way.

[humanist]

NO solution is possible for long term unless all are given the right of return. At this stage we have a situation that TC's even today can access their properties provided they reside in them for at least 6 months.

This is not possible for Greek speaking Cypriots.

Democracy Cannot exist on an ethnically based system. We want equality similar to TC's

[EricSeans]

What kind of tinpot community leader gives media interviews during supposedly sensitive bicommunal talks? Why isn't Turkey putting a sock in this sock puppet's mouth?