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[Bananiot]

Try again this morning GR, if you are sober enough to comprehend what I wrote.

[Get Real!]

Try again this morning GR, if you are sober enough to comprehend what I wrote.

Loser!

[ttoli]

Try again this morning GR, if you are sober enough to comprehend what I wrote.

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[lola-tulip]

AWE, I like what you are saying. I wonder if you can tell me why the TCs did not allow proposals for constitutional change whilst they held disproportionate power?

A free Cyprus would have eventually entered the EU on her own steam. The reason Greece was needed was because of the unsavoury nature of the occupation.

Because they did not have the numerical advantage.

Think about it would you, a GC I assume, be willing to live in a TC dominated state without a constitution that protected your minority rights?

GCs live as minority groups in many countries with no more rights than afforded to other individuals to practice their culture. Same with TCs. Democracy is not about one group dominating another group but about individuals exerting their personal rights. It was shortsighted of the TCs, in the least, to attempt to prevent democracy in Cyprus.

[AWE]

AWE, I like what you are saying. I wonder if you can tell me why the TCs did not allow proposals for constitutional change whilst they held disproportionate power?

A free Cyprus would have eventually entered the EU on her own steam. The reason Greece was needed was because of the unsavoury nature of the occupation.

Because they did not have the numerical advantage.

Think about it would you, a GC I assume, be willing to live in a TC dominated state without a constitution that protected your minority rights?

GCs live as minority groups in many countries with no more rights than afforded to other individuals to practice their culture. Same with TCs. Democracy is not about one group dominating another group but about individuals exerting their personal rights. It was shortsighted of the TCs, in the least, to attempt to prevent democracy in Cyprus.

Yes and the TCs/GCs in the countries have not been involved in inter-communal violence, invasion, division and mistrust with the larger community they are in.

[lola-tulip]

AWE, I like what you are saying. I wonder if you can tell me why the TCs did not allow proposals for constitutional change whilst they held disproportionate power?

A free Cyprus would have eventually entered the EU on her own steam. The reason Greece was needed was because of the unsavoury nature of the occupation.

Because they did not have the numerical advantage.

Think about it would you, a GC I assume, be willing to live in a TC dominated state without a constitution that protected your minority rights?

GCs live as minority groups in many countries with no more rights than afforded to other individuals to practice their culture. Same with TCs. Democracy is not about one group dominating another group but about individuals exerting their personal rights. It was shortsighted of the TCs, in the least, to attempt to prevent democracy in Cyprus.

Yes and the TCs/GCs in the countries have not been involved in inter-communal violence, invasion, division and mistrust with the larger community they are in.

We agree then that this is is what happens in democratic countries where people are treated equally, as individuals, enabled to vote for representatives according to their policies on important matters and not whether they must survive, isolated, as beacons of an ottoman-ruling period in the history of the country.

This happy democracy which you describe above, where there is no mistrust between communities, can only come about, and would have come about, with reformation of the 1960 Constitution.

[AWE]

AWE, I like what you are saying. I wonder if you can tell me why the TCs did not allow proposals for constitutional change whilst they held disproportionate power?

A free Cyprus would have eventually entered the EU on her own steam. The reason Greece was needed was because of the unsavoury nature of the occupation.

Because they did not have the numerical advantage.

Think about it would you, a GC I assume, be willing to live in a TC dominated state without a constitution that protected your minority rights?

GCs live as minority groups in many countries with no more rights than afforded to other individuals to practice their culture. Same with TCs. Democracy is not about one group dominating another group but about individuals exerting their personal rights. It was shortsighted of the TCs, in the least, to attempt to prevent democracy in Cyprus.

Yes and the TCs/GCs in the countries have not been involved in inter-communal violence, invasion, division and mistrust with the larger community they are in.

We agree then that this is is what happens in democratic countries where people are treated equally, as individuals, enabled to vote for representatives according to their policies on important matters and not whether they must survive, isolated, as beacons of an ottoman-ruling period in the history of the country.

This happy democracy which you describe above, where there is no mistrust between communities, can only come about, and would have come about, with reformation of the 1960 Constitution.

it would have happened had the reformation of the 1960 constitution been discussed by both parties in advance and not imposed by one.

[Bananiot]

And provided Makarios did not want to use it as a stepping stone to achieve the life long ambition of Greek Cypriots (including the left, I am afraid). When will we stop hiding behind lies and face our recent history from which we can become much wiser, and perhaps begin to trust each other to a point where a new deal may be sought?

[lola-tulip]

AWE, I like what you are saying. I wonder if you can tell me why the TCs did not allow proposals for constitutional change whilst they held disproportionate power?

A free Cyprus would have eventually entered the EU on her own steam. The reason Greece was needed was because of the unsavoury nature of the occupation.

Because they did not have the numerical advantage.

Think about it would you, a GC I assume, be willing to live in a TC dominated state without a constitution that protected your minority rights?

GCs live as minority groups in many countries with no more rights than afforded to other individuals to practice their culture. Same with TCs. Democracy is not about one group dominating another group but about individuals exerting their personal rights. It was shortsighted of the TCs, in the least, to attempt to prevent democracy in Cyprus.

Yes and the TCs/GCs in the countries have not been involved in inter-communal violence, invasion, division and mistrust with the larger community they are in.

We agree then that this is is what happens in democratic countries where people are treated equally, as individuals, enabled to vote for representatives according to their policies on important matters and not whether they must survive, isolated, as beacons of an ottoman-ruling period in the history of the country.

This happy democracy which you describe above, where there is no mistrust between communities, can only come about, and would have come about, with reformation of the 1960 Constitution.

it would have happened had the reformation of the 1960 constitution been discussed by both parties in advance and not imposed by one.

Was it "imposed" before or after the TC representatives walked out? How much were the TC representatives willing to discuss towards reformation?
Was reformation not dismissed, entirely, at the outset?

[lola-tulip]

And provided Makarios did not want to use it as a stepping stone to achieve the life long ambition of Greek Cypriots (including the left, I am afraid). When will we stop hiding behind lies and face our recent history from which we can become much wiser, and perhaps begin to trust each other to a point where a new deal may be sought?

Is it the TCs who do not trust GCs?