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[Get Real!]

Why The Cyprob Will NEVER Be Solved

…unless a 180° turn is made away from ILLEGALITIES and international law is applied with or without force:

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

UN RESOLUTION 550 (1984)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr550.htm

Weren't all the UN solution plans which you rejected based on those resolutions?

Whatever gave you that idea?

On a different note, did you find modern day Choirokiotia on Google Earth yet? It's only a couple of hundred meters from the ancient ruins...

[shahmaran]

Talisker no one in the North is "scared" to express anything.

They never had any reason to be, because I do not know what you know about here, but the North is not Turkey and it does not work in the way Turkey does.

Shahmaran... The freedom of speech for those foreigners and brain washed GCs means supporting or accepting their views as the ultimate truth... Otherwise, either we have no freedom of speech or scare to express our views...

Victims of the one way propaganda

Did you ever take a time-out to listen to the open-ended, unchallenged gibberrish that you spout? You carry around this chip on your shoulder as if you have a final say to what goes on in Cyprus. A self-suicide would be sufficient for those who cant come to terms.

That is rubbish my friend. I would never take an ethnic side, but I would never stand for racism either.

I have no issues with myself being Cypriot and living here nor about anyone else, but for some reason others do and they even go as far as telling others who they are and where they should live.

Your nick alone promotes division, what the fuck are you on about?!

[insan]

Why The Cyprob Will NEVER Be Solved

…unless a 180° turn is made away from ILLEGALITIES and international law is applied with or without force:

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

UN RESOLUTION 550 (1984)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr550.htm

Weren't all the UN solution plans which you rejected based on those resolutions?

Whatever gave you that idea?

On a different note, did you find modern day Choirokiotia on Google Earth yet? It's only a couple of hundred meters from the ancient ruins...

I knew it before you mentioned... I've only expected you to live somewhere around the ancient ruins of Choirokoitia as you believe you were descended from the Choirokoitians...

I've never come across to any GCs claiming he or she is a descendant of Choirokoitians... Do you know some others who believe descended from the Choirokitians or Sotirians; except some of your family members?

Had you claimed you were a descendant of Sotirians; it would be more believable... you know according to archeologists and historians, all Choirokoitians disappeared on Cyprus... most probably as a consequence of a flood or a plague or an earthquake or something similar...

Now back to the topic; the leaderships of 2 communities besides the relevant UN officials have always stated that they were looking for a solution based on relevant UN resolutions...

Moreover, when i examined the negotiated UN plans; i've seen nothing contradicting or violating the UN resolutions, except some transient provisions that intended to protect the rights and freedoms of all Cypriots...

In relevant UN resolutions, political equality of 2 communities of Cyprus is an accepted principle that you GR and a large group of GCs have never accepted it... another large group of GCs supposedly accepted the political equality of TC community until the next Akritas Plan carried out... The latter group of GCs are hypocrits... they've always been... they had the same mentality when they supposedly accepted the London-Zurich agreements...

At least you are honest to tell TCs that you will never accept TC community as a politically equal state partner... and you should also stop bringing up the UN resolutions as a tool to defend GC's rights and freedoms because political equality of 2 communities was reaffirmed in most of the UN resolutions... Either you respect all UN resolutions or none of them... Respecting and bringing up only the ones that suits your interests don't make any sense and puts you in a situation that you don't know what you are talking about...

[Get Real!]

In relevant UN resolutions, political equality of 2 communities of Cyprus is an accepted principle that you GR and a large group of GCs have never accepted it...

That's not political equality! What the "TCs" are dreaming of is undemocratic favoritism thereby stepping all over the UDHR, which can never happen...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle20.htm

[insan]

In relevant UN resolutions, political equality of 2 communities of Cyprus is an accepted principle that you GR and a large group of GCs have never accepted it...

That's not political equality! What the "TCs" are dreaming of is undemocratic favoritism thereby stepping all over the UDHR, which can never happen...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle20.htm

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... S21183.pdf




GR, do you acknowledge the political equality of two communities as it is defined in the report, took place in many UN resolutions and reaffirmed many times?

If you don't acknowledge it, plz do not come with any of the UN resolutions to prove us anything you claim...
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[B25]

In relevant UN resolutions, political equality of 2 communities of Cyprus is an accepted principle that you GR and a large group of GCs have never accepted it...

That's not political equality! What the "TCs" are dreaming of is undemocratic favoritism thereby stepping all over the UDHR, which can never happen...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle20.htm

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... S21183.pdf




GR, do you acknowledge the political equality of two communities as it is defined in the report, took place in many UN resolutions and reaffirmed many times?

If you don't acknowledge it, plz do not come with any of the UN resolutions to prove us anything you claim...

[/quote]

Rather than ask pathetic questions to GR, do you acknowledge the tens of resolutions against turkey and why haven't obeyed them???? When you MFs acknowledga and take action perhaps we may as well. Until then STFU.

[insan]

In relevant UN resolutions, political equality of 2 communities of Cyprus is an accepted principle that you GR and a large group of GCs have never accepted it...

That's not political equality! What the "TCs" are dreaming of is undemocratic favoritism thereby stepping all over the UDHR, which can never happen...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle20.htm

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... S21183.pdf




GR, do you acknowledge the political equality of two communities as it is defined in the report, took place in many UN resolutions and reaffirmed many times?

If you don't acknowledge it, plz do not come with any of the UN resolutions to prove us anything you claim...

Rather than ask pathetic questions to GR, do you acknowledge the tens of resolutions against turkey and why haven't obeyed them???? When you MFs acknowledga and take action perhaps we may as well. Until then STFU.[/quote]

All UN resolutions call upon all concerned parties to do this or that... now go visit you psychologist and stop making galimatias...

[Talisker]

Well, apart from the ridiculous demands that the TC side is placing upon us, which that in itself should be enough to tell them where to go, we have bigger issues to deal with.

After reading a number of posts it is quite obvious to see the picture emerging. And what is this picture you might ask, well this is how I see it.

On the one side the TCs all suport each other, they never put down their own side, they are in unison with each other and display a united front. For this, I applaud them, I take off my hat to them and bid them bravo.

On the otherside, this is essentially split between the GC side and the interferring foereigners side. When I say foreigners I am mainly talking about non Cypriot/greek, but of british or other extraction. let us look at these two sides seperately.

the GCs, since we amongst ourselves cannot even agree, we insult each other in front of the enemy we do not have a united fron, we bitch and moan about everything. sure we can have differing view points, but the main thrust MUST be the same, a single voice a single OXI to the capitulation to the Turks. But alas, when you have the defeatists and others such as Banana, sometime georgios, mikki, nick, and a couple of others who escape me, you wonder how the hell you are going to pull this group together. We have the same problem in government, business and other aspects of the GC daily life. Now tell me how we can possible defeat the enemy at the door.

The foreigners, well bugger me I don't even know whey they have to stick their oars in, why don't they go to some bit or other fora and do it there. we don't need them to muddy the already troubled waters. take gasman, bsharpish, linichka (I have excluded know carpetbaggers here) for instance, they visit cyprus, or maybe live here and they try to put down their very host people to the detriment of the whole country.

So you see my fellow GC, we will NEVER solve the Cyprob, because we are not singing the same tune, we are in pieces and the turks are laughing at us and trampling all over us. Who could blame them, I would do the same in their shoes.

So, if there is ANY chance to have a solution, we first need to get our own act together, sort out our own back yard before we can go sort out others.

These are my findings reading the postings on this board.

What do others think???

Perhaps GC and most 'foreigner' posters are used to the concept of free speech and do not feel intimidated by voicing their personal opinions on CyProb which means that there may appear to be a disunited front against TCs and Turks. With one or two exceptions most TCs and Turks on this forum appear afraid to voice individual opinions, perhaps suggesting a fear of retribution. One might expect this from those within the illegal, militarily-dominated regime in the north, but it is truly disturbing to think that some who live in the UK or other free and democratic nations do not dissent from the Turkish 'party line', suggesting at least peer pressure or more worryingly 'deep state' pressure and fear within the community. I'd rather GCs (and 'foreigners') expressed their personal views, nurtured and encouraged within a culture of freedom of thought and expression, than felt repressed to provide a united front against 'the enemy'. Do you think suppression of free speech is a price worth paying for the united front you imply GCs require to defeat 'the enemy' and end the CyProb?

Well said, Tal.

Thanks Eric, I was told to say that......

[EricSeans]

Well, apart from the ridiculous demands that the TC side is placing upon us, which that in itself should be enough to tell them where to go, we have bigger issues to deal with.

After reading a number of posts it is quite obvious to see the picture emerging. And what is this picture you might ask, well this is how I see it.

On the one side the TCs all suport each other, they never put down their own side, they are in unison with each other and display a united front. For this, I applaud them, I take off my hat to them and bid them bravo.

On the otherside, this is essentially split between the GC side and the interferring foereigners side. When I say foreigners I am mainly talking about non Cypriot/greek, but of british or other extraction. let us look at these two sides seperately.

the GCs, since we amongst ourselves cannot even agree, we insult each other in front of the enemy we do not have a united fron, we bitch and moan about everything. sure we can have differing view points, but the main thrust MUST be the same, a single voice a single OXI to the capitulation to the Turks. But alas, when you have the defeatists and others such as Banana, sometime georgios, mikki, nick, and a couple of others who escape me, you wonder how the hell you are going to pull this group together. We have the same problem in government, business and other aspects of the GC daily life. Now tell me how we can possible defeat the enemy at the door.

The foreigners, well bugger me I don't even know whey they have to stick their oars in, why don't they go to some bit or other fora and do it there. we don't need them to muddy the already troubled waters. take gasman, bsharpish, linichka (I have excluded know carpetbaggers here) for instance, they visit cyprus, or maybe live here and they try to put down their very host people to the detriment of the whole country.

So you see my fellow GC, we will NEVER solve the Cyprob, because we are not singing the same tune, we are in pieces and the turks are laughing at us and trampling all over us. Who could blame them, I would do the same in their shoes.

So, if there is ANY chance to have a solution, we first need to get our own act together, sort out our own back yard before we can go sort out others.

These are my findings reading the postings on this board.

What do others think???

Perhaps GC and most 'foreigner' posters are used to the concept of free speech and do not feel intimidated by voicing their personal opinions on CyProb which means that there may appear to be a disunited front against TCs and Turks. With one or two exceptions most TCs and Turks on this forum appear afraid to voice individual opinions, perhaps suggesting a fear of retribution. One might expect this from those within the illegal, militarily-dominated regime in the north, but it is truly disturbing to think that some who live in the UK or other free and democratic nations do not dissent from the Turkish 'party line', suggesting at least peer pressure or more worryingly 'deep state' pressure and fear within the community. I'd rather GCs (and 'foreigners') expressed their personal views, nurtured and encouraged within a culture of freedom of thought and expression, than felt repressed to provide a united front against 'the enemy'. Do you think suppression of free speech is a price worth paying for the united front you imply GCs require to defeat 'the enemy' and end the CyProb?

Well said, Tal.

Poor foreigners... you don't even have a clue!

The problem with some folk is they start to believe their own propaganda. Going against the grain and making a noise about it - becoming troublesome, say - can have unpleasant results in the north. Granted, it's not as bad as it was but it's still there. There are few more inward-looking places. And why be so dismissive of foreigners when for so long they have controlled your destiny?

[George1234]

Appoint a new leader Archbishop.