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Is this another Turkish ploy?

Postby Oracle » Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:35 am

Excuse my cynicism, but if a load of Turkish Bulgarians left Bulgaria because they didn't want "westernised" names and moved to the "trnc" to be with their fellow Turks, why would they now request the building of Bulgarian schools?

I reckon it's Eroglu and his merry men finding another ruse to put an EU country, Bulgaria, into a supposed conflict to either recognise existence of an "independent trnc" by building a school, or face being accused of discrimination. :roll:

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Postby shahmaran » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:56 pm

Muslim Bulgarians spring to mind.

Of course a religious Nazi nation-state supporter, could not possibly comprehend this possibility.

So much for the so called "EU watchdog". :roll:
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Postby AWE » Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:58 pm

So O would you want to be forced to have a Turkic-Muslim name from a Communist dictatorship? Or would you leave that country and seek another life?
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Postby Oracle » Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:15 pm

I don't know the reasoning behind name changes. It seems to have been a habit carried out by various countries some decades ago ... Didn't the TCs have to please Turkey over something similar? Kikapu wrote about this:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=523609

It's strange if these illegal migrants to Cyprus yearned to hang on to their Turkishness yet, once they arrive in the Turkish occupied territories, they apparently revert back to wanting Bulgarian schools!

I suspect they don't, and it's just another exploitation by the Turk-TC leaders.
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Postby AWE » Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:41 pm

I would not read it as wanting to hang on to Turkishness but not wanting to be forced to change by a dictatorship.

If they are loyal enough to want their children educated in the traditions of their homeland, why should they not be allowed? Especially if the homeland will help in some way.

Anyway as EU nationals they can cross the green line, the school could be opened in the south, so as ploy by the nationalist TC's it looks pretty weak.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:07 pm

AWE wrote:I would not read it as wanting to hang on to Turkishness but not wanting to be forced to change by a dictatorship.


As I said, I don't know how obliged they were to adopt the name changes imposed in Bulgaria; but, they could meet the same dictatorship enforcements in name changes from Turkey which the TCs faced (see Kikapu's post).

If they are loyal enough to want their children educated in the traditions of their homeland, why should they not be allowed? Especially if the homeland will help in some way.


Why would they want to learn Bulgarian if they probably spoke Turkish and demanded Turkish traditions back in Bulgaria?

Anyway as EU nationals they can cross the green line, the school could be opened in the south, so as ploy by the nationalist TC's it looks pretty weak.


But, they are not LEGAL migrants to the RoC. School building entails a degree of residency. Other than part-time schools, such as Greek schools in the UK, or SBA's schools in Cyprus, I don't know of any countries which fully fund schools in other countries specifically for their nationals.

Basically, it boils down to the fact that these illegal migrants (and yes there are rules to be observed when moving between EU countries, such as for over 6 months) claim to have moved in order to retain their Turkishness. So, why do they now want Bulgarian (Christian Orthodox) schools?
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Postby denizaksulu » Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:26 pm

Nowhere in your article does it say that they wish to learn Bulgarian. But I am perplexed as to why they want a 'Bulgarian' school. Aren't they allowed into the schools in the north? Perhaps they are after the cash?
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Postby Oracle » Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:45 pm

denizaksulu wrote:Nowhere in your article does it say that they wish to learn Bulgarian. But I am perplexed as to why they want a 'Bulgarian' school. Aren't they allowed into the schools in the north? Perhaps they are after the cash?


Bulgarian is the official language of Bulgaria. So, it is taught in government schools. Which is what the "trnc" is asking the Bulgarian government to build for these Turkish newcomers. Strange, isn't it? I don't think it's the cash they are after -- it can't be much. More likely they are just making political waves to shout discrimination/isolation/unfairness etc
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Postby shahmaran » Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:04 pm

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Nowhere in your article does it say that they wish to learn Bulgarian. But I am perplexed as to why they want a 'Bulgarian' school. Aren't they allowed into the schools in the north? Perhaps they are after the cash?


Bulgarian is the official language of Bulgaria. So, it is taught in government schools. Which is what the "trnc" is asking the Bulgarian government to build for these Turkish newcomers. Strange, isn't it? I don't think it's the cash they are after -- it can't be much. More likely they are just making political waves to shout discrimination/isolation/unfairness etc


More than what you are prepared to give us, and we are actually from here :roll:
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