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Postby Talisker » Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:33 am

Iran! Admit it, you were not expecting that........ :lol:

A Babylonian artefact sometimes described as the world's first human rights charter is to go on display in Iran after Tehran threatened to cut ties with the British Museum if it did not lend the object.

The Cyrus cylinder is a 6th century BC clay object inscribed with an account in cuneiform of the conquest of Babylon by the Persian king Cyrus the Great. It arrived in Iran today and will go on display soon at Iran's national museum for four months, state TV reported.

Iran said it was in a dispute with the British Museum for months over its request for a loan of the object and had repeatedly threatened to cut ties with the institution. At one point, a senior Iranian cultural official accused the museum of turning a cultural issue into a political issue.

The loan discussions, which began last October, took place during a time of tension between the two countries. Tehran is under pressure from the west over its nuclear programme, and it has accused Britain and other foreign governments of interfering in its domestic policies by stoking the street protests that followed the disputed presidential election in June 2009.

The British Museum said it acted in good faith throughout the negotiations and has a policy of cultural exchanges with other nations independent of political considerations.

The object's inscription describes how Cyrus conquered Babylon in 539BC and captured the last Babylonian king. It also tells of how he then freed many people held captive by the Babylonians and arranged for them to return to their homelands. It does not mention the Jews brought to Babylon as slaves by Nebuchadnezzar, but their freedom was also part of that policy.

State TV said a delegation from the British Museum accompanied the artefact and another British expert would soon arrive to arrange its display.

The Cyrus cylinder is often called the world's oldest human rights document, but it was common in Mesopotamia for kings to begin their rule with such reform declarations, according to the British Museum.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/se ... turns-iran

Good to see some flexibility from the British Museum - even if only a loan! Hope for a return of the Elgin Marbles next?
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:00 am

:shock: And here was Miltiades all these years thinking it was the Americans! :?

We must stop removing his delusions in case he goes sane! At his age it could be dangerous… :?
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Postby Talisker » Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:13 pm

Get Real! wrote::shock: And here was Miltiades all these years thinking it was the Americans! :?

We must stop removing his delusions in case he goes sane! At his age it could be dangerous… :?

But those nasty Iranians are ALL evil aren't they.......always have been and always will be? :roll:
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Postby shahmaran » Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:22 pm

Oh but I thought it was the Greeks who "laid the foundation for the West" :lol: :lol:

Another stolen idea...
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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:43 pm

shahmaran wrote:Oh but I thought it was the Greeks who "laid the foundation for the West" :lol: :lol:

Another stolen idea...


Reh Shah, it was the "West" that laid the "foundation" for the "West", by picking and choosing from the past and deciding to glorify ancient things Greek (and Roman) and to not dig deeper and further afield in to other equally rich ancient cultures.

A very blinkered view, one perhaps brought about by the wealthier middle-classes taking the opportunities (a couple of centuries ago) allowed by new found wealth and easier travel to go on their Grand Tours to places like Athens and Rome and no further than say Egypt, and bringing home very selective and self-serving impressions and influences.
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Re: The world's oldest human rights charter goes home to....

Postby denizaksulu » Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:45 pm

Talisker wrote:Iran! Admit it, you were not expecting that........ :lol:

A Babylonian artefact sometimes described as the world's first human rights charter is to go on display in Iran after Tehran threatened to cut ties with the British Museum if it did not lend the object.

The Cyrus cylinder is a 6th century BC clay object inscribed with an account in cuneiform of the conquest of Babylon by the Persian king Cyrus the Great. It arrived in Iran today and will go on display soon at Iran's national museum for four months, state TV reported.

Iran said it was in a dispute with the British Museum for months over its request for a loan of the object and had repeatedly threatened to cut ties with the institution. At one point, a senior Iranian cultural official accused the museum of turning a cultural issue into a political issue.

The loan discussions, which began last October, took place during a time of tension between the two countries. Tehran is under pressure from the west over its nuclear programme, and it has accused Britain and other foreign governments of interfering in its domestic policies by stoking the street protests that followed the disputed presidential election in June 2009.

The British Museum said it acted in good faith throughout the negotiations and has a policy of cultural exchanges with other nations independent of political considerations.

The object's inscription describes how Cyrus conquered Babylon in 539BC and captured the last Babylonian king. It also tells of how he then freed many people held captive by the Babylonians and arranged for them to return to their homelands. It does not mention the Jews brought to Babylon as slaves by Nebuchadnezzar, but their freedom was also part of that policy.

State TV said a delegation from the British Museum accompanied the artefact and another British expert would soon arrive to arrange its display.

The Cyrus cylinder is often called the world's oldest human rights document, but it was common in Mesopotamia for kings to begin their rule with such reform declarations, according to the British Museum.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/se ... turns-iran

Good to see some flexibility from the British Museum - even if only a loan! Hope for a return of the Elgin Marbles next?


Any bets on the return of the said artifact?
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Postby Talisker » Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:56 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
shahmaran wrote:Oh but I thought it was the Greeks who "laid the foundation for the West" :lol: :lol:

Another stolen idea...


Reh Shah, it was the "West" that laid the "foundation" for the "West", by picking and choosing from the past and deciding to glorify ancient things Greek (and Roman) and to not dig deeper and further afield in to other equally rich ancient cultures.

A very blinkered view, one perhaps brought about by the wealthier middle-classes taking the opportunities (a couple of centuries ago) allowed by new found wealth and easier travel to go on their Grand Tours to places like Athens and Rome and no further than say Egypt, and bringing home very selective and self-serving impressions and influences.

Paradoxically, war brings enemies closer together in terms of a need to understand each other better in order to gain any possible advantage, and good to see the Persians picked up some civilised principles from the Greeks way back when........ :lol:
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Postby shahmaran » Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:57 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
shahmaran wrote:Oh but I thought it was the Greeks who "laid the foundation for the West" :lol: :lol:

Another stolen idea...


Reh Shah, it was the "West" that laid the "foundation" for the "West", by picking and choosing from the past and deciding to glorify ancient things Greek (and Roman) and to not dig deeper and further afield in to other equally rich ancient cultures.

A very blinkered view, one perhaps brought about by the wealthier middle-classes taking the opportunities (a couple of centuries ago) allowed by new found wealth and easier travel to go on their Grand Tours to places like Athens and Rome and no further than say Egypt, and bringing home very selective and self-serving impressions and influences.


Many people know this Bill, never mind the fact that the Greeks love to promote their fabricated history as if they were responsible for the big bang. :lol:

People must understand that nothing appears out of nothing and everything is built up on the previous.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:59 pm

This is a great little piece of pottery. Well done the Persians! No wonder they went to battle with us so much -- they had a lot more to learn and live up to.

Shah, you Otto-philistine, how does this diminish the Greek contributions?

It's 6th century.

Do you know when Homer wrote the Iliad? Some 200 to 400 years earlier! :D
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Postby shahmaran » Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:00 pm

Oracle wrote:This is a great little piece of pottery. Well done the Persians! No wonder they went to battle with us so much -- they had a lot more to learn and live up to.

Shah, you Otto-philistine, how does this diminish the Greek contributions?

It's 6th century.

Do you know when Homer wrote the Iliad? Some 200 to 400 years earlier! :D


And?

No one denies the contribution, just know whats really yours and whats not.

"laying the foundations" is a little far fetched when so many other civilizations existed before Homer Simpson.
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