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[lola-tulip]

The Constitutional reforms set to be adopted in Turkey, after Sunday, will give their Islamic leaders the Ottoman-style control they crave.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... forms.html

Did Ottomans' negotiate? Is it too late to expect an Islamic State to withdraw peacefully from Cyprus ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... yprus.html

[shahmaran]

It is not "set", they have to vote first.

[lola-tulip]

It is not "set", they have to vote first.

The report states:

"Turkey set to approve major reforms"

Once Turkey is an Islamic Autocracy, do you think it will leave alone what it believes is a Turkish Province; to govern itself under the auspices of 'secular' Turkish Cypriots?

Like Asil Nadir, you have admitted having Turkish nationality [since you say you can obtain a Turkish passport]. Have they asked you, or your leaders, to vote in this referendum?

[shahmaran]

It is not "set", they have to vote first.

The report states:

"Turkey set to approve major reforms"

Once Turkey is an Islamic Autocracy, do you think it will leave alone what it believes is a Turkish Province; to govern itself under the auspices of 'secular' Turkish Cypriots?

Like Asil Nadir, you have admitted having Turkish nationality [since you say you can obtain a Turkish passport]. Have they asked you, or your leaders, to vote in this referendum?

It is a temporary passport obtained for travel purposes only, does not give you the right to work etc. I never admitted to anything, I just told you the way things are. You just kept asking leading questions until you get the answer you hoped, which you never did.

Turkey will never become an Islamic autocracy because even if the AKP manages to abolish the authority of law upon them, their life expectancy there is still connected to the amount of votes they get. You clearly have no clue about the changes they want to make on the constitution. Do you really think people will let them go for something so radical?

Even then, the army will always be at watch.

So, assuming something fantastical as them "leaving us alone" when they become something which they never will, is really pushing the limits of imagination, purely to start a cheap debate here, seriously.

[lola-tulip]

It is a temporary passport obtained for travel purposes only, does not give you the right to work etc.

Travel only rights? Then, you are powerless to raise a voice against the Constitutional changes which will directly affect you as the newest Turkish province?

Turkey will never become an Islamic autocracy because even if the AKP manages to abolish the authority of law upon them, their life expectancy there is still connected to the amount of votes they get. You clearly have no clue about the changes they want to make on the constitution. Do you really think people will let them go for something so radical?

Are the AKP not the most popular, democratically elected party Turkey has ever had?

Even then, the army will always be at watch.

Then you are not aware that the core of the changes will affect the Military. A condition to sweeten it for the EU. The EU does not want a militarised Turkey. Only its cheap work-force.

[shahmaran]

It is a temporary passport obtained for travel purposes only, does not give you the right to work etc.

Travel only rights? Then, you are powerless to raise a voice against the Constitutional changes which will directly affect you as the newest Turkish province?

Turkey will never become an Islamic autocracy because even if the AKP manages to abolish the authority of law upon them, their life expectancy there is still connected to the amount of votes they get. You clearly have no clue about the changes they want to make on the constitution. Do you really think people will let them go for something so radical?

Are the AKP not the most popular, democratically elected party Turkey has ever had?

Even then, the army will always be at watch.

Then you are not aware that the core of the changes will affect the Military. A condition to sweeten it for the EU. The EU does not want a militarised Turkey. Only its cheap work-force.

Americas president will affect your life, do you have any say in it? No.

That is just the way things work, it is not a fair world, so deal with it.

I have been fed the constitutional changes for the last 6 months, I am very well aware of the changes, also having enough lawyers in my family.

There is nothing in there that says they will make us a "Turkish province".

The core of the changes that people oppose to the most are related to the way the law works, at the moment AKP cannot stick their dirty fingers in it, but if it goes through they will be able to. Even then, there is nothing to say that they wont kiss goodbye to Ankara in the next elections, which is what a lot of liberals defend, is that they are not for AKP but they are for a new civil constitution, and that they can always vote against AKP at the next elections. These are mostly leftists who lived through the awful 80s coup and want to get back at the General who murdered and tortured many, and is still happily living somewhere in Southern Turkey.

I have not been following all elections Turkey "ever had" so I am not aware that they are, however 47% is hardly "incredibly popular". If only you knew how they got all the votes...

There is no law or power that can stop the people who hold all the guns to turn around and change the way things are if they feel the country is losing Atatürk's track. Not EU and definitely not AKP. And Turkey's military force is probably another asset they wish to have more access to, since they have already been using it all over the place, being a Nato member and holding the biggest army they will have.

Cheap labour is what EU has always been about, this is no secret. Judging by the number of immigrants who live there, it does not take a rocket scientist to understand that the EU needs poor people, more than the poor people needs EU. That is just the way capitalism works.

Your approach seems to be awfully similar to Oracle's.

Threads aimed to start cheap debates with actually very little knowledge at hand...

[denizaksulu]

From my understanding of the BBC article, the voting will be very close. So it could go either way. I suppose BEKO's shares will show an upward peak.

[shahmaran]

From my understanding of the BBC article, the voting will be very close. So it could go either way. I suppose BEKO's shares will show an upward peak.

They are counting as we speak.

I believe it will go through.

If it does not, I will really have to re-calibrate my view of the Turkish people as I have lost all hope a long time ago when AKP got elected. Not that I had much to being with.

I will be deeply surprised if it does not go through.

[Lit]

The Constitutional reforms set to be adopted in Turkey, after Sunday, will give their Islamic leaders the Ottoman-style control they crave.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... forms.html

Did Ottomans' negotiate? Is it too late to expect an Islamic State to withdraw peacefully from Cyprus ?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD9I6G0H86

Turkey: Support strong for constitutional change

By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA (AP) – 19 minutes ago

ISTANBUL — Turks were voting in large numbers for changes to a military-era constitution that the government says are a key step in Turkey's path to full democracy, according to nearly complete returns Sunday.

With 92 percent of the vote counted in a referendum, 58.5 percent cast ballots in favor of the constitutional amendments, the state-run TRT television reported. About 41.5 percent voted "no," heeding opposition claims that the reforms would shackle the independence of the courts.

[lola-tulip]

The Constitutional reforms set to be adopted in Turkey, after Sunday, will give their Islamic leaders the Ottoman-style control they crave.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... forms.html

Did Ottomans' negotiate? Is it too late to expect an Islamic State to withdraw peacefully from Cyprus ?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD9I6G0H86

Turkey: Support strong for constitutional change

By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA (AP) – 19 minutes ago

ISTANBUL — Turks were voting in large numbers for changes to a military-era constitution that the government says are a key step in Turkey's path to full democracy, according to nearly complete returns Sunday.

With 92 percent of the vote counted in a referendum, 58.5 percent cast ballots in favor of the constitutional amendments, the state-run TRT television reported. About 41.5 percent voted "no," heeding opposition claims that the reforms would shackle the independence of the courts.

Istanbul, Turkey

Voters approved 26 amendments to Turkey's Constitution on Sunday in a bitterly contested referendum that has exposed the depth of social divisions in the country.


EDITORIAL: Referendum in Turkey raises fears of too much Islam in government

Some see Turkey's secularism at stake in Sept. 12 referendum


In the simple “yes” or “no” ballot, 58 percent voted for changes to the charter written in the aftermath of a 1982 military coup. Some 42 percent voted against the amendments, leaving a 16-point margin of victory – far larger than most polls predicted.

The referendum's biggest winner was Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who faces a general election next year with his ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).

Mr. Erdogan fought off a stiff challenge from opponents convinced the changes would compromise the judiciary and cement power by the Islam-rooted party. After all, two of the amendments give the government much greater influence over the judiciary – seen by many Turks as one of the last guarantors of the secular tradition enshrined by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk when he forged modern Turkey in 1923. But Erdogan and his supporters claim that the changes are necessary to democratize the country in line with European standards and make the military more accountable to civilian rule.

Mr. Aslan said that the changes had been prepared by “the Islamist party” and “without the input of the people."

"They are asking – in fact threatening – people to vote 'yes,' " said Aslan. "The Prime Minister said if you do not take part, you will be ‘eliminated.’ What does that mean? That you will no longer be a Turk?”

Echoing critics from nationalist parties who, during eight years of AKP rule, have been dismayed at the erosion of the military’s role in Turkish society, and the failure of the powerful judiciary to stop the AKP, Aslan said the vote was about “trust” in the government.

“If ‘yes’ is the result, then Tayyip Erdogan will be the king alone, to decide for Turkey,” says Aslan. “He’ll become the sole power.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2 ... -AKP-party



The Autocracy has unfolded!