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[Get Real!]

It would be cheaper for the Greek Cypriots to just buy napalm bombs.

yeah but the GCs will also need the aircraft to deliver them.

You can drop them from any old flying machine or fire them from artillery.

There is nothing sophisticated about them.

[AWE]

It would be cheaper for the Greek Cypriots to just buy napalm bombs.

yeah but the GCs will also need the aircraft to deliver them.

You can drop them from any old flying machine or fire them from artillery.

There is nothing sophisticated about them.

a use for all the unused CA/EuroCypria planes then after Ryan Air undercuts the merged airline!

[apc2010]

It would be cheaper for the Greek Cypriots to just buy napalm bombs.

yeah but the GCs will also need the aircraft to deliver them.

You can drop them from any old flying machine or fire them from artillery.

There is nothing sophisticated about them.

a use for all the CA/EuroCypria planes then.

or buy planes from the bankrupt n/cyprus airlines...........

[Nikitas]

Has anyone studied the property proposals tabled by the two sides to the talks?

I spent most of last night sudying the proposals and I am confused. The TC side tabled a proposal for the creation of a Property Development Commission which will take over the properties of the TCs in the south and develop them. The development is supposed to take into account a whole series of factors including the Ramsar Treaty for the Protection of Wetlands (!!!!!) etc. What I do not get is if there will be a similar process in the north conerning GC properties- this is not clear.

Overall I got the impression that the effort is to limit the return of GC properties in the north while participating to a surprising (outrageous?) extent to the property development and rebuilding in the south.

"The PDC will take care of other affected areas like Maras Varosha" says the proposal.

Obviously this is a maximalist position subject to modficiation in the negotiations. However the spirit in which it is made is obvious: masters of the north, partners in the south and on occasion masters of the south too.

It takes nerve to seek a controlling hand itn the development of land in the south, especially of Famagusta which was ruined by the forced eviction of its inhabitants by the TC/Turkish side.

In view of such proposals maybe the idea is to present a position which will make the GCs opt for partition rather than the sort of suzerainty proposed by Eroglu.

[Nikitas]

I have gone through a second reading of the TC property proposals and still cannot get a handle on the details.

The role of the Property Development Commission (PDC) stumps me.

The reasoning of the proposal goes like this:

Ninetey nine per cent of TCs have handed control of their properties in the south to the TRNC government.

The GCs have set up the TC Properties Trustee, therefore the TC land in the south is under institutional control from both sides.

So, a Property Development Commission staffed by Managing Directors from both communities will be set up to develop this property and bring to equal quality with the surrounding GC owned areas.

NOTE- no such PDC is proposed for the GC land in the north. This land is to be dealt with according to a different set of rules altogether.

From the above I gather that the TC side admits that there has been NO illegal dealing with Tc property in the south and that it is still available for development, unlike GC property in the north that has been sold or donated to a variety of local and foreign parties.

The TCs are not planning to relinquish control of TC owned land in the south, but will instead claim an active role (via their Managing Directors of the PDC) in the development of these properties.

In effect the GCs are to be punished for not dealing illegally in TC owned land in the south and for not "nationalising" it as was done with GC land in the north.

The GCs will have to accept permanent loss of their property in the north since no such PDC is to be set up for properties in the north.

If anyone has read these proposal, can they give us some input and clarification? The document is long and rambling and will take a lot more analysis.

[B25]

Ninetey nine per cent of TCs have handed control of their properties in the south to the TRNC government.

Nikitas, this is totally not true, many TCs are selling their properties in the south, so how they can be under the 'trnc' control I never know.

If we wait a bit longer, maybe we could get many more sold, so they won't have any say in the south.

I am connected with people who are dealing this stuff on a regular basis and I can tell you any land the TCs may have had in the south is very quickly being got rid of.

Oh happy days.

[Nikitas]

B25,

I am repeating what the TC submitted proposal contains. Obviously any claim for anything being 99 per cent is dodgy, reminds me of those "99 per cent pure gold plated" adverts.

The confusing part is the overall philosophy of this document. When it comes to dealing with GC properties it talks of return, but highly qualified, exchange, but subject to the section of the Property Development Crap, and Compensation which will be in the form of Certficates, ie promissory notes, guaranteed by Turkey. Considering that Turkey is not a party to the talks how can its promise be proposed is another mystery.

Bizonality and Bicommunality being TC ideas, it is strange that now we have them applied painstakingly to one region, the north, but go to great lengths to diminish them for the other region, the south.

Mona zyga dika mou, seems to be the name of the game.

[B25]

Nikitas,

they just apply the very special rule to everything and it is this:

"mine is mine,yours is also mine".

Now, use that special key phrase and you will be able to drcipher all their crap.

Like I said, the faster I can help get this stuff shifted the better.

[humanist]

I think the RoC should develop the TC properties in the free areas and offer TC's to reclaim their properties. I think the Cyprus problem will then resolve itself. I am confident that most TC's will return. Who would rather live in someone else's property when one has their own home refurbished to today's standards.

[Viewpoint]

I think the RoC should develop the TC properties in the free areas and offer TC's to reclaim their properties. I think the Cyprus problem will then resolve itself. I am confident that most TC's will return. Who would rather live in someone else's property when one has their own home refurbished to today's standards.

Really depends on where that property is located if its in the current south Cyprus you will not have many takers unless they ciuld sell them right away as TCs do not want to live in the GC south.