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[vaughanwilliams]

if the t/c are willing to only give back 15%,then there constiuent state shall only be 15%.very plain and simple just tie everything together.

That doesn't follow:
If the TCs proposed to give back 100% of property, would you propose that their constituent state be 100%?

[Nikitas]

Tony said:

"Unfortunately, our leaders seem to spend all their energy negotiating the power-sharing arrangements instead of the land-sharing arranagements (and how these will be enforced) - when even a child can see that the former will collapse shortly after we give away control of the RoC while the latter will be all that is left after the dust settles.."

Absolutely accurate assessment. The policy of partition was worked out and put in place since the 1950s if not earlier. It has not changed. All, absolutely ALL interpretations of Bizonality and Bicommunality presented by ALL TC negotiators, including the leftists Talat, were and are still based on geographic and ethnic separation of Cyprus, which contradicts any interpretation of Federation. There is NO FEDERATION anywhere on earth which imposed the kind of separation envisioned by the Turks. Wake up Bananiots and realise they are talking PARTITION

[Nikitas]

Rather than looking for terminology which sugars the pill of partition it would be much better to call it for what it is and negotiate on that factual basis than on some fiction of BBF. And just to remind you who we are dealing with, or rather what, here are two quotes from the very top

Gul, then foreign minister, now president of Turkey: "Under the Annan plan we would lose the TRNC but they [GCs] would also lose their sovereignty".

Erdoghan, islamist PM of Turkey: "We got what we wanted without yielding an inch of land or removing a single soldier".

Both statements made on live TV shortly after the Birkentstok announcemend of the Annan referenda.

The loss of GC sovereignty is a VERY REAL GOAL of Turkish policy. The statehood of the GCs is vital to our survival as a community so we must question this turkish insistence for its removal.

The question is whether we can survive under an ill conceived BBF or whether the status quo or a negotiated partition are better choices. There is also the other choice, but an open forum is not the place to discuss that one.

[vaughanwilliams]

Rather than looking for terminology which sugars the pill of partition it would be much better to call it for what it is and negotiate on that factual basis than on some fiction of BBF. And just to remind you who we are dealing with, or rather what, here are two quotes from the very top

Gul, then foreign minister, now president of Turkey: "Under the Annan plan we would lose the TRNC but they [GCs] would also lose their sovereignty".

Erdoghan, islamist PM of Turkey: "We got what we wanted without yielding an inch of land or removing a single soldier".

Both statements made on live TV shortly after the Birkentstok announcemend of the Annan referenda.

The loss of GC sovereignty is a VERY REAL GOAL of Turkish policy. The statehood of the GCs is vital to our survival as a community so we must question this turkish insistence for its removal.

The question is whether we can survive under an ill conceived BBF or whether the status quo or a negotiated partition are better choices. There is also the other choice, but an open forum is not the place to discuss that one.

Oh, go on.

[Nikitas]

It would be a very boring subject for non GCs.

[TC666]

It would be a very boring subject for non GCs.

since when did cypriots ever worry about non cypriots. now that is a surprising development and a worrying one too.

[Paphitis]

It would be a very boring subject for non GCs.

since when did cypriots ever worry about non cypriots. now that is a surprising development and a worrying one too.

You are an idiot!

By your own admission, and judging by your racist posts, you don't worry about anyone other than Turks!

Get out of here you fool!

[Get Real!]

It would be a very boring subject for non GCs.

since when did cypriots ever worry about non cypriots. now that is a surprising development and a worrying one too.

Y-Fronts don't make me post some new pictures...

[boulio]

That doesn't follow:
If the TCs proposed to give back 100% of property, would you propose that their constituent state be 100%?

actually it does because if they gave back 100% it would be a unitary state and no need for quotas and constitient states.

[vaughanwilliams]

That doesn't follow:
If the TCs proposed to give back 100% of property, would you propose that their constituent state be 100%?

actually it does because if they gave back 100% it would be a unitary state and no need for quotas and constitient states.

OK. Point taken. Let's say then that they gave back 75% - would you allow them to have a constituent state that was 75% of Cyprus?

You have to see that one is not linked to the other.