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[Nikitas]

TC666,

Considering that it is your side that wants strict Bizonality, why don't you all borrow the money and pay the rightful owners a fair price and then take the land and do with it as you like? Maybe even sell it back to the original owners and take back your money plus profit?

[Paphitis]

"Have You ever saw any winner of a war to pay copmpensations?"

Exactly why I insist that we call this motherfucking BBF what it is, PARTITION, and start looking at it with eyes open. Since it is partition the FIRST and most important thing to discuss is the territory and the demarcation line, which very soon after the agreement will become an international frontier, no matter what the naive think.

And naturally we must figure out the future of the British bases to avoid problems over that issue. The rest is all dressing, not substance.

Absolutely correct Nikitas.

Our politicians are pulling our legs. How much more of his can the Cypriot people take I wonder?

[revolver]

For as long as this corrupt and incompetent GC government partakes in these ridiculous illegalities with the internationally condemned invader/occupier of Cyprus and their so-called “Turkish Cypriot” puppets, I don’t expect to hear ANYTHING sane coming out of these farcical talks which resemble nothing less than the old Karagiozis puppet plays that entertained Cypriots in the 1920s!

The correct procedure for this government or the next, would be to IMMEDIATELY revoke Makarios’ foolhardy gesture of goodwill; under the 1977 High-Level Agreement; which was no doubt signed under duress as less than 6 months later Makarios died and which no other successive government was/is under any obligation to accept/follow although they stupidly do, and the constant pursuit of justice for Cyprus and Cypriots by exhausting ALL international avenues, including and not limited to the threat of military confrontation with Turkey and the implication of the EU and any other regional entity.

Cyprus must take a VERY aggressive and determined stance if the world is to listen, because you can NEVER find justice by collaborating with criminals! On the contrary… you incriminate yourself by tolerating such a travesty!

hahahahahaa.. don get that angry Get Real, you have to pay, then you have to pay my friend...

[TC666]

VW said:

"Different subject, new thread please."

Only the naive would consider the property issue to be different to the territory aspect, the one affects the other in inextricable ways.

TC 66 said:

"why did you not also publish the greek cypriot proposal. now that would be very funny. the whole world will laugh at that one."

The proposal tabled by the GC side is that the rights of the original owner are paramount subject to:

a)the rrights of elderly occupiers to live out their lives in the property undisturbed.

b) the tabling of a motion to return the property within two years, a motion for compensation within five years and irrevocable loss of title if no motion is tabled within those time limits.

Are you laughing now? Can you share the joke with us?

Since you mention Maratha, tell us about Afania, Palekythro, Agios Sergios and Yalousa, so we can admire the heroic deeds of the TMT, your leading man's alma mater.

I am laughing but not as loud as it could have been. since when did the greek cypriot prposal change from everyone to their homes.
any chance of defining elderly or how many is expected or is that exactly how it was proposed. That is a very funny proposal.
How about our heros on this forum would they accept the greek cypriot proposal. that would be very interesting to see what our brave greek cypriots think of the their own side's propsoal.

I may laugh even more if they are really funny. where is our resident throat slasher today.

[TC666]

TC666,

Considering that it is your side that wants strict Bizonality, why don't you all borrow the money and pay the rightful owners a fair price and then take the land and do with it as you like? Maybe even sell it back to the original owners and take back your money plus profit?

With your mentality bizonality is out of the question. it will be two states.

[EPSILON]

"Have You ever saw any winner of a war to pay copmpensations?"

Exactly why I insist that we call this motherfucking BBF what it is, PARTITION, and start looking at it with eyes open. Since it is partition the FIRST and most important thing to discuss is the territory and the demarcation line, which very soon after the agreement will become an international frontier, no matter what the naive think.

And naturally we must figure out the future of the British bases to avoid problems over that issue. The rest is all dressing, not substance.

..And worst..Has anybody to state any case where Turkey withdrawn from an occupated area after negotiations? Particularly when oil found in the area?!!!Christofias and Anastasiadis maybe dreaming about united and friendly communities in Cyprus (with them always -until death- in power of course) but we are not sleaping and therefore we can not have the same dream.!!!

[cymart]

It brings back to mind what happened in Eastern Poland where my fathers family originate from:In 1939 The Soviets invaded after they had signed a pact with Germany,who invaded the western half.Then a couple of years later Germany invaded the whole country en-route to the Soviet Union,until at the beginning of the defeat of Germany when the Soviets pushed the Germans out again until they reached Berlin and the war in Europe ended.Britain entered World War Two because of its treaty to defend Poland and the Polish fought bravely with the western allies against Germany-Monte Casino in Italy being a prime example where they suffered enormous casualties.In return the Polish Government in exile believed that the west would ensure eastern Poland would be returned by the Soviets when the war ended and Churchill gave them re-assurances,even though he had already secretly agreed with Stalin at the Teheran meeting in 1943 that Russia could keep eastern Poland in return for territory in Silesia which then belonged to Germany!!!
So after the war,the Polish regiment,who had been declared heroes at Monte Casino and came mostly from Lvov area in the east found that they had been duped by both Britain and the U.S. who used the excuse that they could not risk another war in Europe by confronting Stalin!
Needless to say,nobody ever even said a wimper about compensating them for the land they had lost and who wanted to return home to Poland anyway when it was a Soviet satellite state?
So the message is basically that smaller countries get used and abused by the largest ones on various pretexts and excuses,often hidden behind all sorts of diplomatic language such as the example you quoted from Tony Blair.......The Poles,the Cypriots,the Native Indians etc etc.
If the Greek-Cypriots can get any foreign compensation they should grab it with both hands,knowing others have been far less fortunate!

[CyprusNewsReport]

It brings back to mind what happened in Eastern Poland where my fathers family originate from:In 1939 The Soviets invaded after they had signed a pact with Germany,who invaded the western half.Then a couple of years later Germany invaded the whole country en-route to the Soviet Union,until at the beginning of the defeat of Germany when the Soviets pushed the Germans out again until they reached Berlin and the war in Europe ended.Britain entered World War Two because of its treaty to defend Poland and the Polish fought bravely with the western allies against Germany-Monte Casino in Italy being a prime example where they suffered enormous casualties.In return the Polish Government in exile believed that the west would ensure eastern Poland would be returned by the Soviets when the war ended and Churchill gave them re-assurances,even though he had already secretly agreed with Stalin at the Teheran meeting in 1943 that Russia could keep eastern Poland in return for territory in Silesia which then belonged to Germany!!!
So after the war,the Polish regiment,who had been declared heroes at Monte Casino and came mostly from Lvov area in the east found that they had been duped by both Britain and the U.S. who used the excuse that they could not risk another war in Europe by confronting Stalin!
Needless to say,nobody ever even said a wimper about compensating them for the land they had lost and who wanted to return home to Poland anyway when it was a Soviet satellite state?
So the message is basically that smaller countries get used and abused by the largest ones on various pretexts and excuses,often hidden behind all sorts of diplomatic language such as the example you quoted from Tony Blair.......The Poles,the Cypriots,the Native Indians etc etc.
If the Greek-Cypriots can get any foreign compensation they should grab it with both hands,knowing others have been far less fortunate!

World War II reality is completely different to 2010; because Cyprus is an EU member, refugees here can turn to a legal framework that protects human rights to property, life, & family. This system didn't exist formally, legally and on a large scale in Europe before WWII.

Illegal occupation is the status that Turkey has adopted in Cyprus. That's why there are so many successful compensation cases against it. That makes Cyprus a small state with some heavyweight human rights backing from the EU.

[boulio]

if the t/c are willing to only give back 15%,then there constiuent state shall only be 15%.very plain and simple just tie everything together.

[Nikitas]

LATEST IDEAS FROM EROGLU

The Famagustians should not be given full restitution to their properties, but only partial, so the leftover properties can be used to compensate people from Kyrenia who he considers have no chance of restitution.

The nerve of the guy has no bounds. If this turns out to be their final position there is only one "OPTION", to leave the talks. This is not the attitude of a community that wants equality with the other side. This is arrogance and mockery.

And for those that feel nostalgic abou the Annan plan. Eroglu would now be administering the implementation of that plan. Is that a nightmare or what!