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[shahmaran]

Is that Halloumi? Hellim?

You say 'hellim', we say 'halloumi'

TC's And GC's on this simple matter they didn't find the way to share both name of the product which belongs both community.

Greeks and Turks are not "compatible" people Halil.

They both have way too much ethnic pride.

[lola-tulip]

Cyprus is deeply influenced by the Turks, there is no doubt about that.

In which area have you noticed this "deep influence"?

You never had any real autonomy until the Ottomans arrived.

The Orthodox Church meant nothing.

Compared that with now.

That pretty much suffices the "deep influence" in my view.

I did not expect this nonsense. How does one have "autonomy" when ruled by an invader? Do you want to try again? This time, what about the deep influence from the Turks?

[shahmaran]

Cyprus is deeply influenced by the Turks, there is no doubt about that.

In which area have you noticed this "deep influence"?

You never had any real autonomy until the Ottomans arrived.

The Orthodox Church meant nothing.

Compared that with now.

That pretty much suffices the "deep influence" in my view.

I did not expect this nonsense. How does one have "autonomy" when ruled by an invader? Do you want to try again? This time, what about the deep influence from the Turks?

Nonsense is it? I take it you don't read much.

It means you are given power to rule yourself, and live the way you want, in your own religion, everything that makes you who you are. All in return for tax.

Thats how this world works, you dont get autonomy for making great hellim.

[kurupetos]

Is that Halloumi? Hellim?

You say 'hellim', we say 'halloumi'

I thought it was the opposite...

[halil]

Is that Halloumi? Hellim?

You say 'hellim', we say 'halloumi'

TC's And GC's on this simple matter they didn't find the way to share both name of the product which belongs both community.

Greeks and Turks are not "compatible" people Halil.

They both have way too much ethnic pride.

that's why everything is spoiled. Can u imagine hundreds years these people ( Ladies) were making Hellim or halloumi in their homes for their needs..... later on these home products became factorised and both communities exporting this product .... again our beloved GC's friends like other things wanted to have our common food on their to be registered. how funny ... and they think they can get away with out . Our offer was to use both name on the products. It is rejected by our friends agin.... now patent of the product also on the gates of the EU... arguments are goes on...on and on .... i bet world is laughing to us SHAH.

Look at these silly Cypriots they are fighting over Hellim or Halloumi and we are waiting from them to agree on Cyprus problem.....

[Nikitas]

"Cyprus is deeply influenced by the Turks, there is no doubt about that.

But Italy is not.

Yet you say we are similar?

What aspects are we talking about exactly?"

Exactly in that in southern Italy, the Grecophone areas of Calabria and Puglia, they speak a dialect which is incomprehensible to mainland Greeks but very close to Cypriot. They have customs and cuisine which are very similar, they eat ravioles, and lunza, sujuko, tsamarella, maxilles and cultivate pomilorka, and they cut their food with kourtelles, and they sing their version of chattista songs, the common elements are endless. The language contains as much Greek vocabulary and syntax as Cypriot dialect with a smattering of Italian words as noted above.

What we identify as Turkish influence in Cyprus, and for GCs and mainland Greeks this usually means anything which is not common to both Greece and Cyprus, is by default attributed to Turkish influence. Well, as it turns out a pocket of overseas Greeks isolated in southern Italy for 3000 years exhibits the same linguistic and cultural traits. So maybe what we perceive as Turkish, ie non mainland Greek, is not Turkish at all.

As for the reputed Venetian oppression of the Greek Cypriots and the Orthodox church, there is the question why is the main canal of Venice called the canal of the Greeks, why is there a huge Orthodox church there, Saint Demtrios, why is Venice the repository of so much Greek literature written during the Ottoman times, why is venice host to a very important Greek community to this day? A community that can trace its roots to the 15th century? Why did El Greco migrate to Venice and from there to Spain?

For an oppressive power Venice allowed a suprising amount of cultural freedom and growth for Greek speakers and followers of the Greek Orthodox faith. The feudal system was not reserved for non catholics, everyone was part of it regardless of faith, so from that point of view the Venetians did not discriminate as much as the Ottomans with their status system for believers and non believers, a system reflected in the administration and taxation system as well.

[lola-tulip]

It means you are given power to rule yourself, and live the way you want, in your own religion, everything that makes you who you are. All in return for tax.

Seriously? Did they ask to live this way? Where did the taxes go?

[kurupetos]

"Cyprus is deeply influenced by the Turks, there is no doubt about that.

But Italy is not.

Yet you say we are similar?

What aspects are we talking about exactly?"

Exactly in that in southern Italy, the Grecophone areas of Calabria and Puglia, they speak a dialect which is incomprehensible to mainland Greeks but very close to Cypriot. They have customs and cuisine which are very similar, they eat ravioles, and lunza, sujuko, tsamarella, maxilles and cultivate pomilorka, and they cut their food with kourtelles, and they sing their version of chattista songs, the common elements are endless.

What we identify as Turkish influence in Cyprus, and for GCs and mainland Greeks this usually means anything which is not common to both Greece and Cyprus, is by default attributed to Turkish influence. Well, as it turns out a pocket of overseas Greeks isolated in southern Italy for 3000 years exhibits the same linguistic and cultural traits. So maybe what we perceive as Turkish, ie non mainland Greek, is not Turkish at all.

As for the reputed Venetian oppression of the Greek Cypriots and the Orthodox church, there is the question why is the main canal of Venice called the canal of the Greeks, why is there a huge Orthodox church there, Saint Demtrios, why is Venice the repository of so much Greek literature written during the Ottoman times, why is venice host to a very important Greek community to this day? A community that can trace its roots to the 15th century? Why did El Greco migrate to Venice and from there to Spain?

For an oppressive power Venice allowed a suprising amount of cultural freedom and growth for Greek speakers and followers of the Greek Orthodox faith. The feudal system was not reserved for non catholics, everyone was part of it regardless of faith, so from that point of view the Venetians did not discriminate as much as the Ottomans with their status system for believers and non believers, a system reflected in the administration and taxation system as well.

According to Tarih (Kemal Mustafa's History) Italians, Greeks and all other European races are branches of the mighty turkish (turanic) race.

[Nikitas]

Well Kurupete, the southern Italians prove the lie of Kemal, they never had any contact with Turks but they speak Cypriot dialect. Now explain that one if you can!

[kurupetos]

Well Kurupete, the southern Italians prove the lie of Kemal, they never had any contact with Turks but they speak Cypriot dialect. Now explain that one if you can!

Turks will even "explain" how the French are Turks, not just Greeks and Italians. You will be surprised some Greek, French, English, and German scholars agree as well (for a high fee).

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