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Postby miltiades » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:19 am

shahmaran wrote:Miltiades look up the meaning of "indigenous" and come back, I am sure you are clever enough to use Google.

You should read a book or 2, it really helps :lol:


Lets see who needs to read a book or two, perhaps you can point me to book that states Cyprus does not have indegenous people.

Native Cypriots have endured millennia of multiple invaders, yet retain their cultural integrity and claim to land, despite losing half their island to Turkish invaders.

The Cypriot Academy proclaims, "For the Cypriot people have endured long: through century upon century of foreign domination. It is an experience that has served to strengthen and enrich us. Invaders may have contributed to our culture, our language, our genes. But they could not supplant us. Nor could they crush our indomitable spirit."

Such long exposure to the depredations of colonialism has brought its hard-won lessons for the aboriginal people of Cyprus. That wisdom regarding the colonial experience can be seen in some of their traditional proverbs:

Ab’ apia bolla balluja, mbenni je ganenan ston golon du.



Read more at Suite101: Indigenous Cyprus: Cypriot Claim to Traditional Land, Language, Culture and Identity http://www.suite101.com/content/indigen ... z0zft1djx5
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Postby miltiades » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:23 am

Indigenous Cypriots were hunter-gatherers until 8200 BC, when ocean-going peoples introduced subsistence agriculture. Subsequent colonists included the Greeks, Mycenæans and Phoenicians. Then in 6 BC Cyprus was conquered by Egypt, and the Persians soon after that. Within three years Rome had annexed the island as well, and then four hundred years later it became part of the Byzantine Empire when the defunct Roman Empire was divided up.

Read more at Suite101: Indigenous Cyprus: Cypriot Claim to Traditional Land, Language, Culture and Identity http://www.suite101.com/content/indigen ... z0zftr6FRS


The native Cypriots have a history on Cyprus spanning over 10,000 years.
The oldest native Cypriot settlement found is older than that of anything ever found in Turkey or Greece

Shah you too can be an indegenous to Cyprus Cypriot , firstly you have to denounce your perceived motherland ie Turkey and embrace the Cypriot identity through and through , proud to be a Cypriot above all else.
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Postby MrH » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:03 am

Merhaba Halil,

My Greek/Greek Cypriot associates whom visit Turkiye regularly for business purposes have always said the following:

"The Greek food from Greece is rubbish, they do not know how to Cook. While the Greek Cypriots in Cypriots clearly follow the cooking traditions of the Turkish menu. You can tell by the change of name of the meat wrapped in Vine leaves known as "Dolma" in Turkish and "Gubebya" in Greek Cypriot. However, lately, the Greek Cypriots have once again chaged its name to "Dolmadez", again another copy of a dish on the Turkish menu. What do you expect after 400 years of Ottoman rule. It is a known fact that most of the Pardishas of the old Ottoman empire sought the companion of Greek women as their wives - What does that make us!".

My Greek friend has a valid point. In historical references of the Greek people of ancient Greece and those prior to Ottoman rule, the majority were very fair in colour; blue/green eyes, very fair hair and pale skin, while today many look like Ibrahim Tatlises - look him up!

Therefore, the point of this matter is this, there's been a large convergence of both traditional Ottoman/Turkish and traditional Greek cultures on both of our modern people, where it appears that it's primarily only Religion and Language that makes us different. There's also the issue of Thalassemia, but that's a different discussion!

Helim is traditionally "Turkish" from Turkey and NOT Cyprus in any way. You'll know this if you visit Turkey and Greece. Turkey's food menu is far more diverse, even the tourists say that when they compare the two countries.

However, UNTIL Turkey enters the EU, we will be having this pointless battle with our Greek Neighbours. What until after Turkey becomes a full EL member and then all will unfold; both culture and tradition.
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Postby MrH » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:17 am

Here's Your Answer regarding "Native Cypriots"

THEY NO LONGER EXIST!

We are talking so down the human chain that the Americans of today would say "Forget about it". Do you know what I mean?

Come guys, look at Cyprus Today. Two peoples, Two States and happily ever after.

My American relatives who read some of the comments in this forum laugh - really, they do. America is a new country, so is Australia and many, many others around the world. Politics change, so does the distribution of land. Some people win wars and other lose. The Cyprus situation today has come about through some wrong decisions make by ultra-Greek nationalist who are also the ones that say "oxi" to the Annan Plan as well. In other words, Tough! That's the way the cookie crumbles and it's all now set in stone. The native Americas will never head the USA in Washington, and never will the Greek Cypriots in Northern Cyprus. Live with it and Close this forum - Unless it will be solely based on the Relationship between the TRNC and the GC-ROC.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:54 am

MrH wrote:Here's Your Answer regarding "Native Cypriots"

THEY NO LONGER EXIST!

We are talking so down the human chain that the Americans of today would say "Forget about it". Do you know what I mean?

Come guys, look at Cyprus Today. Two peoples, Two States and happily ever after.

My American relatives who read some of the comments in this forum laugh - really, they do. America is a new country, so is Australia and many, many others around the world. Politics change, so does the distribution of land. Some people win wars and other lose. The Cyprus situation today has come about through some wrong decisions make by ultra-Greek nationalist who are also the ones that say "oxi" to the Annan Plan as well. In other words, Tough! That's the way the cookie crumbles and it's all now set in stone. The native Americas will never head the USA in Washington, and never will the Greek Cypriots in Northern Cyprus. Live with it and Close this forum - Unless it will be solely based on the Relationship between the TRNC and the GC-ROC.


How many times, and in how many ways, will your premature "triumphant" cries be muted by the steady, final whispers of justice ...

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Postby shahmaran » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:07 pm

Milti, are you giving me the post of another Cypriot as evidence to your history?

What are you stupid?

Is this the kind of places you get the shit you call "information" from? No wonder why talk so mıuch crap. :lol:

We have already established that since the oldest records of settlement on this island, the island was inhabited for almost 2000 years, so NO, the Greek Byzantine left overs on this island are not the first people here, nor the last.

So no you are not indigenous nor aboriginal you absolute idiot.

Take my initial suggestions, go get some real books. Forums have brought you to a state of delusion where you are unable to differentiate between real facts and the opinions of cyber fools. :lol:
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:11 pm

miltiades wrote:Shah you too can be an indegenous to Cyprus Cypriot , firstly you have to denounce your perceived motherland ie Turkey and embrace the Cypriot identity through and through , proud to be a Cypriot above all else.



...and I definitely do not need the suggestions of some sick US/Israhell supporter to tell me who I am and who I am supposed to be. You cannot be "indigenous" by taking up an oath, what do you think this is, Islam? :lol:

Who the hell are you to tell me what "I should do" in order to be Cypriot!?!

You don't even live here!!
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Postby TC666 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:18 pm

ofcourse cypriots exist. i am a cypriot and i exist and i have at least 10000 relatives so cypriots must exist. what is the matter with you people.
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Postby miltiades » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:46 pm

shahmaran wrote:
miltiades wrote:Shah you too can be an indegenous to Cyprus Cypriot , firstly you have to denounce your perceived motherland ie Turkey and embrace the Cypriot identity through and through , proud to be a Cypriot above all else.



...and I definitely do not need the suggestions of some sick US/Israhell supporter to tell me who I am and who I am supposed to be. You cannot be "indigenous" by taking up an oath, what do you think this is, Islam? :lol:

Who the hell are you to tell me what "I should do" in order to be Cypriot!?!

You don't even live here!!

I have a brain Sha where you appear to have yours up your arse !!
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Postby TC666 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:51 pm

what is it with all the insult. what ages are you people
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