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[shahmaran]

You should at least be the original inhabitants of a place, which you are not, thats my whole point.

When referring to a group of people always use the group's identifier because "you" means nothing to readers or could mean whatever they imagine!

I am certain, anyone who needs to get the message, has got it.

But thanks anyway GR.

[Get Real!]

You should at least be the original inhabitants of a place, which you are not, thats my whole point.

When referring to a group of people always use the group's identifier because "you" means nothing to readers or could mean whatever they imagine!

I am certain, anyone who needs to get the message, has got it.

But thanks anyway GR.

I'd like you to specify it thanks, in case I want to challenge it!

[Nikitas]

"You should at least be the original inhabitants of a place, which you are not, thats my whole point."

Can you provide any examples of any nation anywhere on earth where the population can be proven to be "original inhabitants" as you imply the meaning should be?

Native Americans crossed over from Asia, African tribes moved and resettled over and over, Europeans moved in from the Middle East to where early humans migrated from Africa etc.

The context here is not one of biology but of nativeness as defined by history, ie a people forming a bond with territory through long and uninterrupted usage, which one could qualify by saying they imprint on the land. Look around you in Cyprus and you will see imprints allright.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of the status of TCs, the maniacal change of place names in the last 30 years shows a state of mind,an insecurity of their own making which Denktash summed up accurately when he said that it was necessary so as to counteract history and create their own "Turkish" imprint. People who belong do not really care if a place is called "Kouklia" (Turkish) or Ayios Vassilios (Greek), Kazaphani (Venetian), Komi Kebir (Arabic). They know what is what and are OK with it without resorting to any kind of KOY suffixes.

If any doubt is cast on TCs belonging in Cyprus or not, it is by the TCs themselves with no help from anyone else. As a community you never really decided you belong, you refer to the island in terms of ownership, hence the oft repeated "we took it from the Venetians" or "Cyprus never belonged to Greece" and other equally ridiculous assertions. How about saying for once "we want to be here" and mean it.

[shahmaran]

"You should at least be the original inhabitants of a place, which you are not, thats my whole point."

Can you provide any examples of any nation anywhere on earth where the population can be proven to be "original inhabitants" as you imply the meaning should be?

Native Americans crossed over from Asia, African tribes moved and resettled over and over, Europeans moved in from the Middle East to where early humans migrated from Africa etc.

The context here is not one of biology but of nativeness as defined by history, ie a people forming a bond with territory through long and uninterrupted usage, which one could qualify by saying they imprint on the land. Look around you in Cyprus and you will see imprints allright.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of the status of TCs, the maniacal change of place names in the last 30 years shows a state of mind,an insecurity of their own making which Denktash summed up accurately when he said that it was necessary so as to counteract history and create their own "Turkish" imprint. People who belong do not really care if a place is called "Kouklia" (Turkish) or Ayios Vassilios (Greek), Kazaphani (Venetian), Komi Kebir (Arabic). They know what is what and are OK with it without resorting to any kind of KOY suffixes.

If any doubt is cast on TCs belonging in Cyprus or not, it is by the TCs themselves with no help from anyone else. As a community you never really decided you belong, you refer to the island in terms of ownership, hence the oft repeated "we took it from the Venetians" or "Cyprus never belonged to Greece" and other equally ridiculous assertions. How about saying for once "we want to be here" and mean it.

That is the whole point!

Why should we even have to reassure anyone regarding our ties to this land?

It is ridiculous to even suggest it in the first place...

What have you done different to us that actually puts us in such a position and not you?

I was not the one who keeps waving the whole "native" rubbish around, I have been trying to counter it all along as it is pointless and further divisive.

Here is a definition of "native" it has nothing to do with what you say, that would make the Turks native to a lot of places ;

a. One born in or connected with a place by birth: a native of Scotland now living in the United States.
b. One of the original inhabitants or lifelong residents of a place.

A, works for all of us, and according to some, B only works for them, which we know is rubbish.

So you decide..

[boomerang]

majority of tcs and turks subscribe to the discredited turkish thesis for justification...to tcs and turks it's all about captured land...

they still celebrate, and here it is, the capture of constantinople, this proves to me an admittance of not being from the region...

[denizaksulu]

"You should at least be the original inhabitants of a place, which you are not, thats my whole point."

Can you provide any examples of any nation anywhere on earth where the population can be proven to be "original inhabitants" as you imply the meaning should be?

Native Americans crossed over from Asia, African tribes moved and resettled over and over, Europeans moved in from the Middle East to where early humans migrated from Africa etc.

The context here is not one of biology but of nativeness as defined by history, ie a people forming a bond with territory through long and uninterrupted usage, which one could qualify by saying they imprint on the land. Look around you in Cyprus and you will see imprints allright.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of the status of TCs, the maniacal change of place names in the last 30 years shows a state of mind,an insecurity of their own making which Denktash summed up accurately when he said that it was necessary so as to counteract history and create their own "Turkish" imprint. People who belong do not really care if a place is called "Kouklia" (Turkish) or Ayios Vassilios (Greek), Kazaphani (Venetian), Komi Kebir (Arabic). They know what is what and are OK with it without resorting to any kind of KOY suffixes.

If any doubt is cast on TCs belonging in Cyprus or not, it is by the TCs themselves with no help from anyone else. As a community you never really decided you belong, you refer to the island in terms of ownership, hence the oft repeated "we took it from the Venetians" or "Cyprus never belonged to Greece" and other equally ridiculous assertions. How about saying for once "we want to be here" and mean it.

I agree with all the above. It is sacrilege to change names of places to wipe out a countries history. Absolutely ridiculous.

[shahmaran]

majority of tcs and turks subscribe to the discredited turkish thesis for justification...to tcs and turks it's all about captured land...

they still celebrate, and here it is, the capture of constantinople, this proves to me an admittance of not being from the region...

Oh yeah the Cypriot Ozzy is the one to speak about not being from the region and captured land

So lets see, pick the odd one out, Cypriot, European, Aboriginal.

Its a tricky one I know.

The day you "go back home" so shall we.

Fair?

[boomerang]

Oh yeah the Cypriot Ozzy is the one to speak about not being from the region and captured land

well thats what i am...a cypriot...without the greek and turkish bullshit...pity that you can't seemed to see your self as such, coz if you did you would have gotten the point...you are a bloody cypriot too shah...noone is asking you to go go home, you are bloody home...

but then again the indoctrination of the turkish thesis is embedded well judging by your responce, huh?...

anyway i am tired and have been putting 18hrs a day the last 3 months so I'm off to a break from damn computers...but free and enlighten me with more of the turkish thesis...i need a laugh...

[shahmaran]

Oh yeah the Cypriot Ozzy is the one to speak about not being from the region and captured land

well thats what i am...a cypriot...without the greek and turkish bullshit...pity that you can't seemed to see your self as such, coz if you did you would have gotten the point...you are a bloody cypriot too shah...noone is asking you to go go home, you are bloody home...

but then again the indoctrination of the turkish thesis is embedded well judging by your responce, huh?...

anyway i am tired and have been putting 18hrs a day the last 3 months so I'm off to a break from damn computers...but free and enlighten me with more of the turkish thesis...i need a laugh...

Australians are the last ones to talk about stolen land mate.

If you want to laugh you can start from there..

[boomerang]

Oh yeah the Cypriot Ozzy is the one to speak about not being from the region and captured land

well thats what i am...a cypriot...without the greek and turkish bullshit...pity that you can't seemed to see your self as such, coz if you did you would have gotten the point...you are a bloody cypriot too shah...noone is asking you to go go home, you are bloody home...

but then again the indoctrination of the turkish thesis is embedded well judging by your responce, huh?...

anyway i am tired and have been putting 18hrs a day the last 3 months so I'm off to a break from damn computers...but free and enlighten me with more of the turkish thesis...i need a laugh...

Australians are the last ones to talk about stolen land mate.

If you want to laugh you can start from there..

here we go again the turks/tcs seek justification for the turkish thesis for an event that happened 200 years ago...

well lets try and use your turkish thesis on the aboriginals...they came from somewhere before they settled in australia according to the turkish thesis so like you and them I have every right to be here... ...maybe they were turks all along...