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[Hatter]

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

[Get Real!]

Proti Anotera Taktiki Diokidi, Ammoxostos (behind fytorio)
Diabibasis oplon, ASM 13297

post yours if any...

We’re not convinced yet…

1. Ma ekames ena sovaro lathos me to tagma sou… sasto tsie xanagrapse mas to.

2. Inda vathmon en bou ishes?

3. Bios idan o dikitis sou?

And as a final test, tomorrow when you’re online I’ll ask you some quick, short, successive questions and you’ll be expected to respond IMMEDIATELY! No time to get help...

[Paphitis]

Conflicting results from military stats... depends who the source is.

Either way, I am confident 3.68% of GDP is accurate, was up to 14% approx 10-12 tears ago.

Can we really afford this?

Part of Greece's financial meltdown are the Hugh military expenses to confront Turkey's war appetite.

How real is an imminent war vs Greece/Turkey/Cyprus?

The link given by you is a credible one and up to date, Yorgo...

Data source: World Bank, World Development Indicators - Last updated July 26, 2010

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb- ... UX:HND:CHL

Well, according to this link, the 3.68% GDP expenditures are quite high and, in my opinion, unwarranted.

There are other countries that doubled their military budgets recently (Saudi Arabia, Algeria etc) simply based on their natural resources (oil production). Clearly, Cyprus does not have a whole lot of resources from which it could shoulder these massive expenses into it's military budget. Of course, a well armed force lifts the moral of it's citizens but at the same time drains them with taxes & levies.

There is a fine line bordering military vs social program expenditures, a balance which can not be overlooked. I C/P a quote:

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes … known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.… No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

War or preparation for war is just about the same thing. Having said that, I conclude Cyprus is wrongly investing into military means with minimal or no hopes of winning any future wars. Therefor, it makes sense to reduce the force to acceptable levels & invest the savings into other budgetary needs, especially in time of recessionary times.

Georgios100

3.68% is NOT high enough! Cyprus can't afford to not spend any money on defence, and if spending is NOT increased then the RoC might as well kiss ALL the Oil and Gas good bye!

[Paphitis]

Georgios, ma eisai telia malakas re???

We are a soveriegn nation and we can't have a defence force? are you for F real??

We are not talking about attacking anyone, but we need some defence capability for gods sake.

What about all the wealth this side of the line, banks, governments, infrastructure, who will look after them?

We have an emeny ay the door, and you want us to down arms?? God some people are so stupid.

Instead of petitioning the enemy to down arms and get off our island, you seek to suggest we should pull down our trousers and bend for this stinking turks re??

Get out of my face before I really say something I may regret.

TC666= Yfuck, go fuck yourself. You'll do better on the Crap44 forum where all your little cronies will agree with you and make you feel big.

Georgios, people like you make me ashamed to be GC, its not enough we have the turks to worry about, now we got our own.

What a STUPID thread!!!!

Don't forget, that without a Military, Cyprus will be unable to defend vital natural resources interests within its EEZ. No NAVY or Cyprus National Guard Air Wing, then no OIL and no GAS.

No MILITARY = No Country

Not only is the CNG vital for defence, claiming an EEZ, anti terrorism, and surveillance, but defence expenditure should be at least doubled, if not be between 6-10% of GDP. Get rid of some useless public servants instead.

Also, the S-300s MUST be re-deployed in Cyprus, and Cyprus should procure the more capable S-400s from Russia, purchase more Russian attack choppers [Mi-28] and Anti Ship and area Air Defence missile carrying Fast Attack Craft and also consider the acquisition of 3-4 Corvettes. In other words, there needs to be a very rapid expansion of Sea and Air elements, and more investment into Special Forces such as OYK.

Furthermore, Cyprus needs to expand on its strategic alliance with Israel, and invest in more Israeli Military technologies such as the Heron UAV and perhaps participate in some joint consortiums. Investment is also required in missile carrying UAVs such as the Predator. Israel will be by far, the nation's most important strategic ally within the next four years, and Cyprus will naturally, by extension be able to be an excellent medium or bridge between the Israelis and Palestinians.

Far better to have alliances with Israel than rely on that bitch of a country called Greece, which has just capitulated in the Aegean.

If we start behaving like Greece, then we don't deserve a country!!!

Re Paphiti, how has Greece capitulated?

The fucking cowards went to Ankara and kissed Turkish butt! Political analysts are predicting that Greece will renounce its rights under the Law of the Sea to claim 12nms of Territorial Sovereign Waters in exchange of the lifting of the Casus Belli against Greece!

Cowards!!!

Paphitis, do you have any links? I can't find anything. It seems you are getting all worked up about something analysts are guessing about and you're condemning Greece regarding something that hasn't even happened yet! Don't get too far ahead of yourself.

Worked up over nothing you say!

Listen, the minute Greece claims its 12nms and starts boarding ships like the IDF and ADF do, then I for one will never take the stupid idiots seriously!

Do some research Simon, because Turkey has Greece on the ropes and will soon turn greece over and rape her!

[Paphitis]

Conflicting results from military stats... depends who the source is.

Either way, I am confident 3.68% of GDP is accurate, was up to 14% approx 10-12 tears ago.

Can we really afford this?

Part of Greece's financial meltdown are the Hugh military expenses to confront Turkey's war appetite.

How real is an imminent war vs Greece/Turkey/Cyprus?

The link given by you is a credible one and up to date, Yorgo...

Data source: World Bank, World Development Indicators - Last updated July 26, 2010

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb- ... UX:HND:CHL

Well, according to this link, the 3.68% GDP expenditures are quite high and, in my opinion, unwarranted.

There are other countries that doubled their military budgets recently (Saudi Arabia, Algeria etc) simply based on their natural resources (oil production). Clearly, Cyprus does not have a whole lot of resources from which it could shoulder these massive expenses into it's military budget. Of course, a well armed force lifts the moral of it's citizens but at the same time drains them with taxes & levies.

There is a fine line bordering military vs social program expenditures, a balance which can not be overlooked. I C/P a quote:

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes … known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.… No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

War or preparation for war is just about the same thing. Having said that, I conclude Cyprus is wrongly investing into military means with minimal or no hopes of winning any future wars. Therefor, it makes sense to reduce the force to acceptable levels & invest the savings into other budgetary needs, especially in time of recessionary times.

Georgios100

When your country is under occupation and under threat of annihilation, then you can also kiss any social programs Good Bye!

Common sense would dictate, that defence is the most valuable social program there is!

[Oracle]

Seems the anti-Greek, gossip machine is going full throttle again. Our enemies start the rumours, sit back and watch our own people condemn her to hemlock.

[Paphitis]

Seems the anti-Greek, gossip machine is going full throttle again. Our enemies start the rumours, sit back and watch our own people condemn her to hemlock.

No not anti Greek, At the moment, the Greeks are being Anti Greece and this will not change unless the country grows the balls to start drilling for Natural Gas within its rightful EEZ and blow any ships that are violating the Greek EEZ out of the water!

You get what you deserve, I'm afraid!

ΤΟ «ΠΙΡΙ ΡΕΪΣ» ΑΡΧΙΣΕ ΠΑΛΙ ΕΡΕΥΝΕΣ ΝΟΤΙΟΑΝΑΤΟΛΙΚΑ ΤΟΥ ΚΑΣΤΕΛΛΟΡΙΖΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ «ΤΣΕΣΜΕ» ΝΟΤΙΩΣ ΤΗΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥΠΟΛΗΣ
ΡΕΠΟΡΤΑΖ: Αριστοτελία Πελώνη
ΜΠΑΙΝΟΒΓΑΙΝΑΝ και χθες τα τουρκικά ερευνητικά σκάφη στο Αιγαίο και στην ελληνική υφαλοκρηπίδα, καθιστώντας ακόμη σαφέστερες, σύμφωνα με διπλωματικές πηγές, τις τουρκικές διεκδικήσεις στο Αιγαίο και κυρίως στην περιοχή μεταξύ της Ρόδου και της Κύπρου.

Το θέμα αναμένεται να θέσει σήμερα στους ευρωπαίους ομολόγους του στο Συμβούλιο Γενικών Υποθέσεων στις Βρυξέλλες ο αναπληρωτής υπουργός Εξωτερικών Δημήτρης Δρούτσας. Χθες στις 7 το πρωί το «Πίρι Ρέις» άρχισε πάλι έρευνες νοτιοανατολικά του Καστελλόριζου, επί της ελληνικής υφαλοκρηπίδας. Δίπλα στο τουρκικό σκάφος βρισκόταν περιπολικό του Λιμενικού Σώματος. Λίγες ώρες νωρίτερα, στις 3 τα ξημερώματα, το ωκεανογραφικό- υδρογραφικό σκάφος της Τουρκίας «Τσεσμέ» που έκανε έρευνες επί της ελληνικής υφαλοκρηπίδας, νοτίως της Αλεξανδρούπολης, εγκατέλειψε την περιοχή και μπήκε στα στενά των Δαρδανελλίων.

Η Αθήνα, η οποία εξακολουθεί να δηλώνει την ενόχλησή της με ρηματικές διακοινώσεις και διαβήματα προς την Αγκυρα στα οποία αναφέρονται όλες οι ελληνικές θέσεις, εκτιμά πως οι συνεχείς κινήσεις των τουρκικών σκαφών δεν αμφισβητούν μόνο ελληνικά κυριαρχικά δικαιώματα αλλά πλήττουν σοβαρά την πολιτική αξιοπιστία της γείτονος και συγκεκριμένα τις διακηρύξεις του τούρκου πρωθυπουργού Ταγίπ Ερντογάν και του υπουργού Εξωτερικών Αχμέτ Νταβούτογλου για επιθυμία εξομάλυνσης των ελληνοτουρκικών σχέσεων.

Ταυτόχρονα, ωστόσο, δείχνουν- λένε διπλωματικές πηγές- ότι η Αγκυρα παραμένει αμετακίνητη στις ακραίες θέσεις της για το Αιγαίο και στο επιχείρημα ότι τα νησιά δεν έχουν υφαλοκρηπίδα. Η περιοχή στην οποία σημειώνονται οι μετακινήσεις των τουρκικών σκαφών δείχνουν, σύμφωνα με τις ίδιες πηγές, πως η Αγκυρα επιχειρεί να δημιουργήσει τετελεσμένα, ειδικά στην περιοχή μεταξύ της Ρόδου και της Κύπρου. Σημειώνεται ότι η εν λόγω περιοχή στο μεγαλύτερο μέρος της αποτελεί εν δυνάμει ελληνική Αποκλειστική Οικονομική Ζώνη (ΑΟΖ), λόγω της θέσης του Καστελλόριζου. Σύμφωνα δε με τη Σύμβαση για το Δίκαιο της Θάλασσας, τα κατοικημένα νησιά έχουν ΑΟΖ.

Η Τουρκία ισχυρίζεται ότι τα νησιά δεν έχουν υφαλοκρηπίδα και αποφεύγει επιμελώς να μιλά για ΑΟΖ. Διπλωματικές πηγές εκτιμούν πως δεν είναι τυχαίο ότι οι σημερινές κινήσεις του «Πίρι Ρέις» συμπίπτουν με την περιοχή στην οποία κινήθηκε το νορβηγικό ερευνητικό σκάφος με τη συνοδεία τουρκικής φρεγάτας το 2008. Το 2007, το ίδιο σκάφος είχε πραγματοποιήσει έρευνες στην ΑΟΖ της Κύπρου. Η Αθήνα εκτιμά ότι η κινητικότητα αυτή σηματοδοτεί και το γεγονός ότι η Τουρκία επαναφέρει στο τραπέζι τις ίδιες θέσεις και επιχειρεί να ακυρώσει εκ των προτέρων την ανακήρυξη ελληνικής ΑΟΖ στην Ανατολική Μεσόγειο.

Simerini

I fucking can't believe people expect Cyprus to disarm itself....

And Greece still kisses their arse!

[georgios100]

Proti Anotera Taktiki Diokidi, Ammoxostos (behind fytorio)
Diabibasis oplon, ASM 13297

post yours if any...

We’re not convinced yet…

Sounds like KGB or CIA interrogation but I'll play along, see what is this leading to...

1. Ma ekames ena sovaro lathos me to tagma sou… sasto tsie xanagrapse mas to.

Proti Anotera Taktiki diokisi. I doubt you know where this HQ was because you are much younger than me so you probably never visited Barosi prior to 1974.

2. Inda vathmon en bou ishes?
Aplos stratiotis, odigos

3. Bios idan o dikitis sou?
Sianabas Christos, Elladitis apo Arta Ipirou.

And as a final test, tomorrow when you’re online I’ll ask you some quick, short, successive questions and you’ll be expected to respond IMMEDIATELY! No time to get help...

Eimai etoimos. esouni eisai?

If this is about my origin you will be surprised, I am more Cypriot than you... a veteran who actually took part in the 1974 war. We fought hard but when realizing the overwhealming force coming to us, we were ordered "anadiplosi" or retreat in English. All my fellow soldiers back then don't want to even hear about another war... you might have difficulty understanding this simply because you never participated in one. You are lucky you didn't so can never have a feel for it. Show respect to the Cypriots of 1974 and we will respect you in return.

Georgios100

PS. I am still waiting your CNG service record and ASM number. Please post it.

[Get Real!]

I doubt you know where this HQ was because you are much younger than me so you probably never visited Barosi prior to 1974.

Yes, I visited Varosi (beaches) plenty of times prior to 74.

Eimai etoimos. esouni eisai?

That'll do for me...

If this is about my origin you will be surprised, I am more Cypriot than you... a veteran who actually took part in the 1974 war. We fought hard but when realizing the overwhealming force coming to us, we were ordered "anadiplosi" or retreat in English. All my fellow soldiers back then don't want to even hear about another war... you might have difficulty understanding this simply because you never participated in one. You are lucky you didn't so can never have a feel for it. Show respect to the Cypriots of 1974 and we will respect you in return.

No doubt you are still carrying the scars of a betrayed, under equipped, and totally chaotic debacle you wish to forget. As a war kid I have my own too... but different.

PS. I am still waiting your CNG service record and ASM number. Please post it.

I don’t like the idea of posting my asimi in public and I never asked you to post yours!

But anyway, I've posted this before here of me during the March 1984, annual parade...

[denizaksulu]

Proti Anotera Taktiki Diokidi, Ammoxostos (behind fytorio)
Diabibasis oplon, ASM 13297

post yours if any...

We’re not convinced yet…

Sounds like KGB or CIA interrogation but I'll play along, see what is this leading to...

1. Ma ekames ena sovaro lathos me to tagma sou… sasto tsie xanagrapse mas to.

Proti Anotera Taktiki diokisi. I doubt you know where this HQ was because you are much younger than me so you probably never visited Barosi prior to 1974.

2. Inda vathmon en bou ishes?
Aplos stratiotis, odigos

3. Bios idan o dikitis sou?
Sianabas Christos, Elladitis apo Arta Ipirou.

And as a final test, tomorrow when you’re online I’ll ask you some quick, short, successive questions and you’ll be expected to respond IMMEDIATELY! No time to get help...

Eimai etoimos. esouni eisai?

If this is about my origin you will be surprised, I am more Cypriot than you... a veteran who actually took part in the 1974 war. We fought hard but when realizing the overwhealming force coming to us, we were ordered "anadiplosi" or retreat in English. All my fellow soldiers back then don't want to even hear about another war... you might have difficulty understanding this simply because you never participated in one. You are lucky you didn't so can never have a feel for it. Show respect to the Cypriots of 1974 and we will respect you in return.

Georgios100

PS. I am still waiting your CNG service record and ASM number. Please post it.

Those who fought valiantly for the defence of their own countries should be be proud of themselves. Ignore GR the keyboard warrior. He has never been in the 'sight' of an enemy gun.