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[insan]

Conflicting results from military stats... depends who the source is.

Either way, I am confident 3.68% of GDP is accurate, was up to 14% approx 10-12 tears ago.

Can we really afford this?

Part of Greece's financial meltdown are the Hugh military expenses to confront Turkey's war appetite.

How real is an imminent war vs Greece/Turkey/Cyprus?

The link given by you is a credible one and up to date, Yorgo...

Data source: World Bank, World Development Indicators - Last updated July 26, 2010

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb- ... UX:HND:CHL

[MrH]

The GC National Guard are nothing but a form of poitnless Tax for those people living in the south. One would have thought that their non-movement and retaliation since 1974 would be more than enough evidence of their inability to do nothing more than pile up sand bags all day LOL

[georgios100]

Conflicting results from military stats... depends who the source is.

Either way, I am confident 3.68% of GDP is accurate, was up to 14% approx 10-12 tears ago.

Can we really afford this?

Part of Greece's financial meltdown are the Hugh military expenses to confront Turkey's war appetite.

How real is an imminent war vs Greece/Turkey/Cyprus?

The link given by you is a credible one and up to date, Yorgo...

Data source: World Bank, World Development Indicators - Last updated July 26, 2010

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb- ... UX:HND:CHL

Well, according to this link, the 3.68% GDP expenditures are quite high and, in my opinion, unwarranted.

There are other countries that doubled their military budgets recently (Saudi Arabia, Algeria etc) simply based on their natural resources (oil production). Clearly, Cyprus does not have a whole lot of resources from which it could shoulder these massive expenses into it's military budget. Of course, a well armed force lifts the moral of it's citizens but at the same time drains them with taxes & levies.

There is a fine line bordering military vs social program expenditures, a balance which can not be overlooked. I C/P a quote:

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes … known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.… No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

War or preparation for war is just about the same thing. Having said that, I conclude Cyprus is wrongly investing into military means with minimal or no hopes of winning any future wars. Therefor, it makes sense to reduce the force to acceptable levels & invest the savings into other budgetary needs, especially in time of recessionary times.

Georgios100

[Get Real!]

The GC National Guard are nothing but a form of poitnless Tax for those people living in the south. One would have thought that their non-movement and retaliation since 1974 would be more than enough evidence of their inability to do nothing more than pile up sand bags all day LOL

For someone who doesn't pay this tax and has no fear of this army you sure have a lot to say...

[Get Real!]

Can we really afford this?

Part of Greece's financial meltdown are the Hugh military expenses to confront Turkey's war appetite.

How real is an imminent war vs Greece/Turkey/Cyprus?

Just keep buying yourself those beers and crack in Canada and don't worry about what Cyprus can or cannot afford.

[georgios100]

Can we really afford this?

Part of Greece's financial meltdown are the Hugh military expenses to confront Turkey's war appetite.

How real is an imminent war vs Greece/Turkey/Cyprus?

Just keep buying yourself those beers and crack in Canada and don't worry about what Cyprus can or cannot afford.

Thanks for the great answer GR. But I do have 6 brothers & 2 sisters living in Cyprus that pay all these related taxes to upgrade the military... you too I guess.

FYI these new weapon orders are purely for political gain, vote grabbing for the upcoming elections. Everybody knows (except you) that buying new military hardware is popular in Cyprus, gets the votes & money at the same time. It would appear you have fallen into this trap like many others.

Instead of posting inflammatory comments why don't you get to the subject & provide your valued opinion about this issue (if you have one). If not, stay out of this thread as you are only wasting bandwidth and wearing out your fingertips on your keyboard.

[Get Real!]

Can we really afford this?

Part of Greece's financial meltdown are the Hugh military expenses to confront Turkey's war appetite.

How real is an imminent war vs Greece/Turkey/Cyprus?

Just keep buying yourself those beers and crack in Canada and don't worry about what Cyprus can or cannot afford.

Thanks for the great answer GR. But I do have 6 brothers & 2 sisters living in Cyprus that pay all these related taxes to upgrade the military... you too I guess.

FYI these new weapon orders are purely for political gain, vote grabbing for the upcoming elections. Everybody knows (except you) that buying new military hardware is popular in Cyprus, gets the votes & money at the same time. It would appear you have fallen into this trap like many others.

Instead of posting inflammatory comments why don't you get to the subject & provide your valued opinion about this issue (if you have one). If not, stay out of this thread as you are only wasting bandwidth and wearing out your fingertips on your keyboard.

Look, you are CLUELESS as to what the CNG is really purchasing because you rely on Cyprus Mail articles every so often that’ll say…

“50 more tanks ordered!”

But if you were smart you’d ask yourself….

“How come they’re only piling up tanks?”

Military consignments arriving cannot be hidden but the public doesn't see the contents, so some announcement has to be made by the Ministry of Defense and “Tanks” does the job fine!

So, what is there to talk about with you? Like I said, keep consuming those Canadian beers…

[bsharpish]

THe Purpose of both sides conscript armies is to ( in the event of conflict) -

In some cases fight bravely and die horribly
In some cases run away bravely
In the Majority of cases put up a token resistance and surrender en masse.

Surely the lessons learned in recent conflicts needs some application here-

I.E. a small well armed, trained and motivated army will always beat badly trained conscripts,

Wouldnt The ROC be better served by a Well paid, well trained, well equipped and well organised professional army of reduced size rather than a bunch of boys ??

[Simon]

Georgios, ma eisai telia malakas re???

We are a soveriegn nation and we can't have a defence force? are you for F real??

We are not talking about attacking anyone, but we need some defence capability for gods sake.

What about all the wealth this side of the line, banks, governments, infrastructure, who will look after them?

We have an emeny ay the door, and you want us to down arms?? God some people are so stupid.

Instead of petitioning the enemy to down arms and get off our island, you seek to suggest we should pull down our trousers and bend for this stinking turks re??

Get out of my face before I really say something I may regret.

TC666= Yfuck, go fuck yourself. You'll do better on the Crap44 forum where all your little cronies will agree with you and make you feel big.

Georgios, people like you make me ashamed to be GC, its not enough we have the turks to worry about, now we got our own.

What a STUPID thread!!!!

Don't forget, that without a Military, Cyprus will be unable to defend vital natural resources interests within its EEZ. No NAVY or Cyprus National Guard Air Wing, then no OIL and no GAS.

No MILITARY = No Country

Not only is the CNG vital for defence, claiming an EEZ, anti terrorism, and surveillance, but defence expenditure should be at least doubled, if not be between 6-10% of GDP. Get rid of some useless public servants instead.

Also, the S-300s MUST be re-deployed in Cyprus, and Cyprus should procure the more capable S-400s from Russia, purchase more Russian attack choppers [Mi-28] and Anti Ship and area Air Defence missile carrying Fast Attack Craft and also consider the acquisition of 3-4 Corvettes. In other words, there needs to be a very rapid expansion of Sea and Air elements, and more investment into Special Forces such as OYK.

Furthermore, Cyprus needs to expand on its strategic alliance with Israel, and invest in more Israeli Military technologies such as the Heron UAV and perhaps participate in some joint consortiums. Investment is also required in missile carrying UAVs such as the Predator. Israel will be by far, the nation's most important strategic ally within the next four years, and Cyprus will naturally, by extension be able to be an excellent medium or bridge between the Israelis and Palestinians.

Far better to have alliances with Israel than rely on that bitch of a country called Greece, which has just capitulated in the Aegean.

If we start behaving like Greece, then we don't deserve a country!!!

Re Paphiti, how has Greece capitulated?

The fucking cowards went to Ankara and kissed Turkish butt! Political analysts are predicting that Greece will renounce its rights under the Law of the Sea to claim 12nms of Territorial Sovereign Waters in exchange of the lifting of the Casus Belli against Greece!

Cowards!!!

Paphitis, do you have any links? I can't find anything. It seems you are getting all worked up about something analysts are guessing about and you're condemning Greece regarding something that hasn't even happened yet! Don't get too far ahead of yourself.

[georgios100]

Can we really afford this?

Part of Greece's financial meltdown are the Hugh military expenses to confront Turkey's war appetite.

How real is an imminent war vs Greece/Turkey/Cyprus?

Just keep buying yourself those beers and crack in Canada and don't worry about what Cyprus can or cannot afford.

Thanks for the great answer GR. But I do have 6 brothers & 2 sisters living in Cyprus that pay all these related taxes to upgrade the military... you too I guess.

FYI these new weapon orders are purely for political gain, vote grabbing for the upcoming elections. Everybody knows (except you) that buying new military hardware is popular in Cyprus, gets the votes & money at the same time. It would appear you have fallen into this trap like many others.

Instead of posting inflammatory comments why don't you get to the subject & provide your valued opinion about this issue (if you have one). If not, stay out of this thread as you are only wasting bandwidth and wearing out your fingertips on your keyboard.

Look, you are CLUELESS as to what the CNG is really purchasing because you rely on Cyprus Mail articles every so often that’ll say…

“50 more tanks ordered!”

But if you were smart you’d ask yourself….

“How come they’re only piling up tanks?”

Military consignments arriving cannot be hidden but the public doesn't see the contents, so some announcement has to be made by the Ministry of Defense and “Tanks” does the job fine!

So, what is there to talk about with you? Like I said, keep consuming those Canadian beers…

Since you have all the CLUES (Mr know it all), I presume you know all about the hardware the CNG is purchasing, in this case, no matter what it is, it is still just more weapons & upgrades to the existing stock. Well, it just proves my point all along, more money spend by the ROC, money we just don't have so we have to borrow again & pile up on the deficit... what a great idea!

The question here is if this CNG size an overkill or not? Adding to the overkill is just madness. Reducing to a well organized and better efficient scheme is what I am suggesting.

Our great politicians (allegedly) can not even agree with themselves. Unity is out the window as we speak. So, who is calling the shots? CNG? If so, do these guys answers to anyone? How do they justify millions into further military expenditures? Or do they simply stop ordering only when the ROC files for bankruptcy? Perhaps, if the Cyprob solution is found, UN would put a stop to this madness, just like the IMF is calling the shots in Greece right now?

Back to the beers, cheers!

Georgios100