by Paphitis » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:01 am
denizaksulu wrote:How does the military alliance of France stand within NATO. What can Cyprus expect from the frogs? Plenty talk and that's for sure and a few jets.
by SKI-preo » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:22 am
What can Cyprus expect from the frogs? Plenty talk and that's for sure and a few jets.
by Get Real! » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:41 am
SKI-preo wrote:We have some sort of military alliance with France!
We are totally effed if our military alliance is with the cheese eating surrender monkeys. No wonder. It explains a lot. Surrender and just let Turkey walk in. We bake cup cakes and serve the Turkish Army cold drinks.
by Get Real! » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:42 am
SKI-preo wrote:What can Cyprus expect from the frogs? Plenty talk and that's for sure and a few jets.
Maybe we can impress the Turkish Generals with our Cordon bleu cooking skills and rude waiters.
by denizaksulu » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:39 am
Paphitis wrote:georgios100 wrote:Paphitis wrote:georgios100 wrote:denizaksulu wrote:georgios100 wrote:Get Real! wrote:georgios100 wrote:Proti Anotera Taktiki Diokidi, Ammoxostos (behind fytorio)
Diabibasis oplon, ASM 13297
post yours if any...
We’re not convinced yet…
Sounds like KGB or CIA interrogation but I'll play along, see what is this leading to...
1. Ma ekames ena sovaro lathos me to tagma sou… sasto tsie xanagrapse mas to.
Proti Anotera Taktiki diokisi. I doubt you know where this HQ was because you are much younger than me so you probably never visited Barosi prior to 1974.
2. Inda vathmon en bou ishes?
Aplos stratiotis, odigos
3. Bios idan o dikitis sou?
Sianabas Christos, Elladitis apo Arta Ipirou.
And as a final test, tomorrow when you’re online I’ll ask you some quick, short, successive questions and you’ll be expected to respond IMMEDIATELY! No time to get help...
Eimai etoimos. esouni eisai?
If this is about my origin you will be surprised, I am more Cypriot than you... a veteran who actually took part in the 1974 war. We fought hard but when realizing the overwhealming force coming to us, we were ordered "anadiplosi" or retreat in English. All my fellow soldiers back then don't want to even hear about another war... you might have difficulty understanding this simply because you never participated in one. You are lucky you didn't so can never have a feel for it. Show respect to the Cypriots of 1974 and we will respect you in return.
Georgios100
PS. I am still waiting your CNG service record and ASM number. Please post it.
Those who fought valiantly for the defence of their own countries should be be proud of themselves. Ignore GR the keyboard warrior. He has never been in the 'sight' of an enemy gun.
I don't wish for anyone to enter into warfare hostilities... not a pleasant time by any account. It is a horrible situation... humans become animals... life means nothing. In the end, there can be only degrees of losing since friends or relatives get hurt or die from both sides. War is not a solution but a necessary evil. Post war, usually the problem still exists or becomes more bitter than before.
When observing the CNG obtaining more hardware, one can only think some sort of a preparation for future hostilities and tensions than can only lead to just more trouble, which we don't really need right now. Greece has fallen into this loophole for many years with no end in sight. I hope Cyprus can learn from that and maintain a decent & professional CNG.
It's not wrong to question the military budget of Cyprus.
Georgios100
PS Thanks for your response GR.
The CNG already has professional elements. It is important to purchase the hardware such as S300/400, UAVs, patrol boats, corvettes, Helicopter Gunships, Anti Ship SSM etc otherwise Cyprus is a sitting duck. Also, you might as well forget about any Oil and Gas, because Turkey will just come along and start drilling and there will be nothing we can do about it.
The CNG has come a long way since 1974.
So it is a case of spend big and reduce our vulnerability and also protect vital natural resources assets within the EEZ. In order to that, we need an Navy and a Coast Guard and this costs! Anti Ship Fast Attack Craft and Corvettes will give the Turkish Navy something to think about!
People laugh when I advocate close alliances with Israel, but there is an agenda and that involves Oil and Gas! If we behave the way you advocate, then Cyprus does not deserve these natural resources and the Cypriot People will be ripped of to the tune of 500 Billion to a Trillion Euros!
So Military Spending does not seem to be a big deal at all. And perhaps when Turkey stops spending on hardware and withdraws from Cyprus then we can look at cutting defence expenditure, but right now, we can't afford to do so. In fact, the defence budget should be doubled in my view. The RoC Government can do this by retrenching 5,000 useless public servants!
I would love to, finally, see those oil/gas reserves/resources but, after years of talk/speculation, not even a drop is unearthed. Yeah, there is talk about Turkey drilling these waters but so far just talk... We, are also planning to drill but when?
Alliances are also very interesting and favorable. So far, the only alliance we have is with Greece (Amyndico dogma). No other country has expressed interest expect Israel... too premature to count on that one. Cyprus has very good relations with all the Arab/Muslim nations in the region but don't count on any of them to come to our aid in time of war.
Any other alliances (Russia perhaps) out there?
No matter what CNG does to boost it,s capabilities, If Turkey invades, we have little chance to defend or deter such an attack. Our best defence is within EU ranks & values. That's why we joint the EU, mostly for security reasons, even if EU is about economics rather than a military safe heaven.
That's my perception of our current situation at the moment.
Well, if you want to see the Oil and Gas flow, then we must have very strong CNG Air and maritime capabilities.
Furthermore, we have many allies. Russia, France, Greece, and China amongst the most notable.
However, all pale into insignificance when compared to Israel. Cyprus and Israel are now rich in Oil and Gas resources, and Israel will be looking to build a massive pipeline through the Cypriot and Greek EEZ to Europe, and there is no way Israel will allow Turkey to fuck around with this. In fact, I very much doubt Israel will be keen about Turkey exploiting Cypriot Oil and Gas resources and the Israelis won't fuck around. Israel is not Greece, and will be quite comfortable to send the Turks packing. This makes Israel the most important country for us, because when they will want the open the tap, they won't let anyone mess with them.
Furthermore, it literally takes years to commence drilling, build oil rigs and what not. No country in the world has the logistical resources to turn the taps on in a couple of years. Even in Australia, it can take up to 10 years before the first rig is in place. It does not matter when Cyprus is able to drill for the Oil and Gas, but it is a question of being able to do so down the tack. And in order for that, you need a Navy, Coast Guard, UAV and a Surveillance capability as well as the capability to intercept ships within the EEZ!
And as I told you before. The CNG is not just about Turkey and whether it attacks us or not. It is about protecting our Natural resources, and if Cyprus is not prepared to do so, by maintaining a capable CNG, then we all might as well pack it all in and just tell the world that we are all too stupid to have our own sovereign nation. And just like Nikitas stated above, a capable CNG is capable of defending its lines, and this alone can be considered a victory! And should the TA be forced to withdraw even only a few kilometres, then it is even more than that!
So pull your head in Giorgios and drop this defeatist crap!
by denizaksulu » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:44 am
Paphitis wrote:denizaksulu wrote:How does the military alliance of France stand within NATO. What can Cyprus expect from the frogs? Plenty talk and that's for sure and a few jets.
Don't worry about the Alfredo frogs!
You should be more concerned about Israel. They now how to deal with Turks!
Hello WWIII, Khosh amdid!!by shahmaran » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:19 pm
Nikitas wrote:"If Turkey invades, we have little chance to defend or deter such an attack. "
The purpose is not to thwart or prevent an attack. The purpose of the NG is to fight long enough to make sure everyone is aware that there is a fight. If you want to see it in terms of win or lose, the ability of the NG to stand its ground is a victory, the failure of Turkey to capture new ground would be a defeat.
As for the supposed power of the Turkish armed forces, foreign analyses of 1974 are not all that flattering to the Turkish generals and tacticians, and their failure to deal with the PKK does not corroborate the "best in NATO" claims.
by CBBB » Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:05 pm
shahmaran wrote:Nikitas wrote:"If Turkey invades, we have little chance to defend or deter such an attack. "
The purpose is not to thwart or prevent an attack. The purpose of the NG is to fight long enough to make sure everyone is aware that there is a fight. If you want to see it in terms of win or lose, the ability of the NG to stand its ground is a victory, the failure of Turkey to capture new ground would be a defeat.
As for the supposed power of the Turkish armed forces, foreign analyses of 1974 are not all that flattering to the Turkish generals and tacticians, and their failure to deal with the PKK does not corroborate the "best in NATO" claims.
74 attack was not done with a fully prepared army.
The so called PKK are people who live in Turkey, very hard to deal with, not even the Brits managed to put a lid on such attacks and had to cave in to the Irish. What can you possibly do if the people you are supposed to `protect` suddenly turn around and throw a nade in your post?
But even then, the terror attacks were minimised up until AKP came in the picture and all kicked off again.
The point is she never got divided no matter for how long people have been trying.
Can we say that about Cyprus?
Cypriots could have learned a thing or two from Turkeys fight against division.
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