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Postby Pan » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:34 pm

Anyway even the bible considers everyone out of Greece as barbarians.. Anyway who cares? Thought it could help explain why Greek power fell, by the Ottomans and Germanics?
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Postby erolz » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:48 pm

Pan wrote:Anyway even the bible considers everyone out of Greece as barbarians.. Anyway who cares? Thought it could help explain why Greek power fell, by the Ottomans and Germanics?


another case of the quick edit I guess

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Pan wrote:Northern Cyprus and Turkey isn't rich. Anyway even the bible considers everyone out of Greece as barbarians.. Anyway who cares? Thought it could help explain why Greek power fell, by the Ottomans and Germanics?


By the time my (seperate) 'quote this post window' opened the mesaage was as in the top quote. So as you removed the NC and T bit so quickly I won't point out how that supports the suggestion that there is some correlation between wealth of country and high crime rates vs your view that its down to ethnic differnces (though there are many many other factors and many many different types of crime) ;)

As to the 'remaining second bit'

Pan wrote:Anyway even the bible considers everyone out of Greece as barbarians..


I guess even our bibles are different then ?
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Postby Pan » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:55 pm

Someone on here said richer societies have higher crime, how do you explain Turkey and northern Cyprus crime rates?

I took that out of the disadvantage to my argument and you still have a problem.. I feel pettiness here, I'd like to stop this discussion in case anyone is insulted, but thought it might have been interesting and valid to the fall of Greeks that other peoples who were living up trees, happy as pigs in sh*it, when Greeks were arguing the configuration of the ideal 'polis' in their marble-floored agoras!
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Postby erolz » Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:14 pm

Pan wrote:Someone on here said richer societies have higher crime, how do you explain Turkey and northern Cyprus crime rates?

I took that out of the disadvantage to my argument and you still have a problem..


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Pan wrote:How come Britain and other Germanic countries have higher crime rates then Italy, Spain and Greece?


In support of the idea , as I understood it , that the reason was the ethnic differnces between 'germanic' races vs others 'non germanic' races that you claimed earlier in thread

I suggested that one possible reason might be different levels of wealth in these countries with a possible correlation betwen richer countries - more crime (whilst also pointing out that this was a very simplist and 'uintary' approach to some that is not really suitable to such an approach)

Now my faith in my 'logical abailites' have taken a bit of a recent battering but it seems to me that if your suggestion/thesis that crime rates are related to ethnicity was true and assuming you see TC and T as being ethnicaly closer to britain and germany than greece and spain and italy and assuming that you accept that T and TC are both poorer and have lower crime rates than UK or Germany - this would to me seem to support the 'richness' theory more than the 'ethnicity' theory of higher and lower crime rates. Still I could have made a logical error in my reasoning and would be happy to have it pointed out to me if I have.

Pan wrote:I feel pettiness here, I'd like to stop this discussion in case anyone is insulted,


Is anyone preventing you from doing so? Either your posts are insulting or they are not insulting or you consider them not insulting but fear others may interpret them as insulting. Whichever the choice to make your posts or not is your and yours alone.
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Postby gabaston » Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:08 pm

You've distorted what Pan said in a way were you can take a dig at Greek culture.


look no one is having a dig at greek culture, we all recognise and respect it as the first european culture. what im diggin is the assumed supperiority that present day gc's have about it.

they evolved a culture which suited them, Asian evolved cultures suiting them, as did Africans and Americans.

dont forget africans and south americans built pyramids without pythagoras's theory.

if you are not descended from the apes you are a descendant of Adam and Eve and believe we all are - which negates pans theory - how many contradictory versions of the same story do you believe?
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Postby Pan » Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:34 am

Peace and love.. I don't take myself seriously... Good to have debates.
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Postby Pan » Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:37 am

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Postby cannedmoose » Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:46 am

Pan wrote:I took that out of the disadvantage to my argument and you still have a problem.. I feel pettiness here, I'd like to stop this discussion in case anyone is insulted, but thought it might have been interesting and valid to the fall of Greeks that other peoples who were living up trees, happy as pigs in sh*it, when Greeks were arguing the configuration of the ideal 'polis' in their marble-floored agoras!


And while Greeks were scratching around in the fields wearing sackcloths in the 18th century, it could equally be said that the British, French, Spanish, Dutch and Portuguese - all 'barbarian hordes' according to your definition were off exploring and mapping the globe as well as other less palatable activities. And while Greeks were still slaves, the British were out capturing slave ships from other nations and freeing their peoples. Swings and roundabouts my friend.
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Postby 2fan » Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:11 am

Pan wrote:Someone on here said richer societies have higher crime, how do you explain Turkey and northern Cyprus crime rates?

I took that out of the disadvantage to my argument and you still have a problem.. I feel pettiness here, I'd like to stop this discussion in case anyone is insulted, but thought it might have been interesting and valid to the fall of Greeks that other peoples who were living up trees, happy as pigs in sh*it, when Greeks were arguing the configuration of the ideal 'polis' in their marble-floored agoras!


And while proto-greeks were sucking dirt and rubbing sticks together, there were highly developed civilisations in Mesopotamia and Egypt.
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Postby Pan » Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:25 am

I certainly acknowledge that and I accept and was even going to mention it. The Jewish people and Mesopotamians for instance come from a much older civilisation then the Greeks.. However Cypriots probably even beat the Jews, my mum relatives originate from Chirokitia. How long are we talking? 7’000 years ago if not longer? I'm well aware of Middle Eastern history, I find it fascinating. As it stands though, although I'll will probably end up marrying a Greek lady because of my parents but I much prefer for people to interbreed, it does man kind a whole lot of good, not only from a genetically perspective (passing on strong and varied genes) but also because it will ease racial tension between the nations of the worlds. There's only one race and that's the human race.
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