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[cannedmoose]

I will state a historical fact that the British or English are children of a barbaric race.. And this can been seen in the British society today.. Atheist, tattoo loving, beer drinking, animal lovers..

Long live Hellas!!! We gave the world democracy and wrote the first bible, moral foundations of the western world especially from what our philosophers taught. ALexander was the greatest general that lived. Rather then ethnically cleanse he wanted to diversify. Unlike the Germanics and Ottomans.

I won't even mention the debate about Alexander's 'Greekness' then...

As for modern contributions to culture, science, society, I don't see many Greeks on the list of nobel prize winners... whereas the current count of UK winners stands at 101. Greece may have been the birthplace of modern Western civilisation, but its importance has faded since the glory days of the first millenia BC. It's been left to the 'northern European barbarians' to carry the mantle of civilisation that you hold so dear.

[cannedmoose]

P.S. To advise you, there are 2 Greek Nobel Prize winners, both for literature.

To all sensible forum users, this is not a dig at Greek culture per se, simply pointing out to those who claim that everyone who is not Greek is a 'barbarian' that Greece is not the font of modern civilisation and has not been for a long, long time.

[gabaston]

Children of barbaric tribes?

We are all descended from the apes, or are greeks descendants of angels.

As for democracy, don’t get too carried away with that one. Animals have a democracy whereby they submit to the strongest of pack eg lions chimps etc in the knowledge that the leader is the most able to protect them from aggressors. The leader is only leader with the consent of the pack. If they had ballot boxes and pens they would still elect the strongest.

[cannedmoose]

Children of barbaric tribes?

We are all descended from the apes, or are greeks descendants of angels.

My thoughts exactly. It is probable that our common ancestor was a Rift valley ape, which evolved as a species and then began to spread out across Africa and finally reached the shores of Europe. Therefore, we all - Greek, Turk, English, Ethiopian, Arab, Jew share a heritage, whether people like it or not.

As for democracy, don’t get too carried away with that one. Animals have a democracy whereby they submit to the strongest of pack eg lions chimps etc in the knowledge that the leader is the most able to protect them from aggressors. The leader is only leader with the consent of the pack. If they had ballot boxes and pens they would still elect the strongest.

Remember that the Greek form of democracy was hardly democratic as we'd consider it today. Effectively it was a men's club, an ancient version of the Masons as it were. Therefore, although the modern democracies claim line of descent from the demokratia, the difference between the two is in scale (at most 1 in 10 Athenians for example were full citizens). Women were not free to participate, nor were the many slaves in the polis, i.e. the citizen body was a closed political elite. I wonder how many of the people who proclaim themselves descendents of the demokratia are actually descendents of the majority of disenfranchised souls that suffered under this patriarchal tyranny?

[Main_Source]

You've distorted what Pan said in a way were you can take a dig at Greek culture. He said that the English was a Barbaric race, not any race that wasnt Greek was barbaric.

Besides, the word 'barbarian' in ancient Greece and the usage of the word in modern times have two different meanings.

As for me, I didnt descend from no ape...I am not a monkey.

[2fan]

Care to share what you descended from?

[Pan]

Can't I state truth? I have no problem with English, blacks, Jews, Muslims... Animals lovers because there hunter gather instints haven't worn out yet, dogs role are to aid humans.. How come Britain and other Germanic countries have higher crime rates then Italy, Spain and Greece and Cyprus. How come Northern Cyprus has a higher crime rate then the south? Because Turks ancestry also goes back to the Mongolian huns also regarded as barbarians.

[2fan]

Can't I state truth? I have no problem with English, blacks, Jews, Muslims... Animals lovers because there hunter gather instints haven't worn out yet.. How come Britain and other Germanic countries have higher crime rates then Italy, Spain and Greece?

You're not prejuidiced. You hate everyone equally.

[erolz]

How come Britain and other Germanic countries have higher crime rates then Italy, Spain and Greece?

Because Britain and Germany are richer than Italy Spain or Greece?

(thats accepting that they do have higher crime rates, which I do not know if its the case or not and if it is what kind of crime are we talking about. Higher crime rates for all types crime or for some types of crime - some figures to back these claims we be useful)

[Pan]

I love everyone the same... In fact I would love for there to be one world nation.