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[insan]

What is the matter Insan, have you forgotten the "Turk to Turk" slogan?

Are you implying that TCs were eager to reunite in 1971 but the bad old GCs rejected their overtures?

Give us a break!

All i meant was, in it's essential; there was no difference between the political attitudes, fears, official and hidden agendas etc... if so, why the GC administration was granted the legitimacy but TC administration not?

The answer is simple... the arts and wiles of politics and besides the international conjecture was favoring the GC position in a hope TCs,GCs, Turks and Greeks would sort out their main differences, reconcile and unite on common grounds in frame of their national interests and the interests of the west... but so far they failed...

No, it was because the GCs were the 82% majority, and it is always natural that a Government made by a an 82% majority to be considered legal and acceptable in the World we live in.

Similarly for the same reasons any self proclaimed "government" made by minorities is usually ignored, unless the majority grants them autonomy.

In addition to these reasons, what happened in 1974 makes your "administration" an entity based on theft, illegality, and human rights violations, so even those little chances you might have had to get autonomy in your own teriitories got vaporised, because the territory you now live in is nothing but stolen GC land and properties.

Hmmm... in our region and in this globalized world you too are a minority then... relativity of the merciles, wild capitalist world my friend... Fight for survival, even if you are less in numbers than the others who exert to impose something you don't like upon you...

We hadn't wished to "steal" anything from anyone... we too had everything you had before 1963... the political conditions which were imposed upon us; forced us to "steal" an area that a large part of it belonged to your community.... I and i believe most of the TCs are sorry about it... but if we didn't "steal" that area and naturally the things in it; what other options we had to choose? Accepting the Enosis and Greek-GC rule?

[shahmaran]

What is the matter Insan, have you forgotten the "Turk to Turk" slogan?

Are you implying that TCs were eager to reunite in 1971 but the bad old GCs rejected their overtures?

Give us a break!

All i meant was, in it's essential; there was no difference between the political attitudes, fears, official and hidden agendas etc... if so, why the GC administration was granted the legitimacy but TC administration not?

The answer is simple... the arts and wiles of politics and besides the international conjecture was favoring the GC position in a hope TCs,GCs, Turks and Greeks would sort out their main differences, reconcile and unite on common grounds in frame of their national interests and the interests of the west... but so far they failed...

No, it was because the GCs were the 82% majority, and it is always natural that a Government made by a an 82% majority to be considered legal and acceptable in the World we live in.

Similarly for the same reasons any self proclaimed "government" made by minorities is usually ignored, unless the majority grants them autonomy.

In addition to these reasons, what happened in 1974 makes your "administration" an entity based on theft, illegality, and human rights violations, so even those little chances you might have had to get autonomy in your own teriitories got vaporised, because the territory you now live in is nothing but stolen GC land and properties.

No its not.

I own the land I live on, not the RoC.

I have owned it long before the RoC existed, as did so many other people.

Plus a racist government that openly excludes citizens that speak Turkish, deserves to be knocked down, or pushed into its own corner, which is what happened.

You want to run it like that, then we are not a part of it, but we are not leaving either.

As the saying goes, "sovereignty is not given, but it is taken".

[Pyrpolizer]

What is the matter Insan, have you forgotten the "Turk to Turk" slogan?

Are you implying that TCs were eager to reunite in 1971 but the bad old GCs rejected their overtures?

Give us a break!

All i meant was, in it's essential; there was no difference between the political attitudes, fears, official and hidden agendas etc... if so, why the GC administration was granted the legitimacy but TC administration not?

The answer is simple... the arts and wiles of politics and besides the international conjecture was favoring the GC position in a hope TCs,GCs, Turks and Greeks would sort out their main differences, reconcile and unite on common grounds in frame of their national interests and the interests of the west... but so far they failed...

No, it was because the GCs were the 82% majority, and it is always natural that a Government made by a an 82% majority to be considered legal and acceptable in the World we live in.

Similarly for the same reasons any self proclaimed "government" made by minorities is usually ignored, unless the majority grants them autonomy.

In addition to these reasons, what happened in 1974 makes your "administration" an entity based on theft, illegality, and human rights violations, so even those little chances you might have had to get autonomy in your own teriitories got vaporised, because the territory you now live in is nothing but stolen GC land and properties.

Hmmm... in our region and in this globalized world you too are a minority then... relativity of the merciles, wild capitalist world my friend... Fight for survival, even if you are less in numbers than the others who exert to impose something you don't like upon you...

We hadn't wished to "steal" anything from anyone... we too had everything you had before 1963... the political conditions which were imposed upon us; forced us to "steal" an area that a large part of it belonged to your community.... I and i believe most of the TCs are sorry about it... but if we didn't "steal" that area and naturally the things in it; what other options we had to choose? Accepting the Enosis and Greek-GC rule?

Answering to the 1st parahraph, you are absolutely right, this is what happens in the world. Big fish eats small fish.

Asnwering to 2nd parahraph you spoke about administrations i answered about administrations. One based on theft has no chance. On an individual basis I accept that there are a lot of honest TCs and most probably you are one of them. But let's not fool ourselves, the majority of TCs are very happy to live and benefit from this theft, in addittion of course with 99% of the settlers.

You are asking if you had any options for the possible threat against you for Enosis and Greek+GC rule upon you. Obviously working for Taksim and what it required for that to be, was an option. Having Turkey invaded and do what it did was also an option.
Did you miss ANY of your catastrophic options?

[Kikapu]

As the saying goes, "sovereignty is not given, but it is taken".

If that's the case, Shah, can you tell us why the "trnc" does not enjoy any of the benefits afforded to a sovereign nation. Just for your information, no breakaway regime since 1945 has ever enjoyed sovereignty by just "taking it" and the "trnc" (via Turkey) is no exception. Only recently, Kosovo (via NATO) has gained very limited sovereignty as being a very special case, even though it does not enjoy the support of the UN/EU body. Don't make the mistake in thinking that "Might means Sovereignty". It doesn't.!

[Viewpoint]

As the saying goes, "sovereignty is not given, but it is taken".

If that's the case, Shah, can you tell us why the "trnc" does not enjoy any of the benefits afforded to a sovereign nation. Just for your information, no breakaway regime since 1945 has ever enjoyed sovereignty by just "taking it" and the "trnc" (via Turkey) is no exception. Only recently, Kosovo (via NATO) has gained very limited sovereignty as being a very special case, even though it does not enjoy the support of the UN/EU body. Don't make the mistake in thinking that "Might means Sovereignty". It doesn't.!

We are very patient peopleand Rome was not built in a day, with the current GC mindset and despot attitude they only make our job easier as the world will again at the rend of this year see exactly who are obstructing a solutionand the GCs are not gonna like the outcome, even you will be begging for the AP to come back.

[Kikapu]

As the saying goes, "sovereignty is not given, but it is taken".

If that's the case, Shah, can you tell us why the "trnc" does not enjoy any of the benefits afforded to a sovereign nation. Just for your information, no breakaway regime since 1945 has ever enjoyed sovereignty by just "taking it" and the "trnc" (via Turkey) is no exception. Only recently, Kosovo (via NATO) has gained very limited sovereignty as being a very special case, even though it does not enjoy the support of the UN/EU body. Don't make the mistake in thinking that "Might means Sovereignty". It doesn't.!

We are very patient peopleand Rome was not built in a day, with the current GC mindset and despot attitude they only make our job easier as the world will again at the rend of this year see exactly who are obstructing a solutionand the GCs are not gonna like the outcome, even you will be begging for the AP to come back.

Take your pick, VP.!

[B25]

As the saying goes, "sovereignty is not given, but it is taken".

If that's the case, Shah, can you tell us why the "trnc" does not enjoy any of the benefits afforded to a sovereign nation. Just for your information, no breakaway regime since 1945 has ever enjoyed sovereignty by just "taking it" and the "trnc" (via Turkey) is no exception. Only recently, Kosovo (via NATO) has gained very limited sovereignty as being a very special case, even though it does not enjoy the support of the UN/EU body. Don't make the mistake in thinking that "Might means Sovereignty". It doesn't.!

We are very patient peopleand Rome was not built in a day, with the current GC mindset and despot attitude they only make our job easier as the world will again at the rend of this year see exactly who are obstructing a solutionand the GCs are not gonna like the outcome, even you will be begging for the AP to come back.

Take your pick, VP.!

Nice one, and so appropriate too!

[Viewpoint]

As the saying goes, "sovereignty is not given, but it is taken".

If that's the case, Shah, can you tell us why the "trnc" does not enjoy any of the benefits afforded to a sovereign nation. Just for your information, no breakaway regime since 1945 has ever enjoyed sovereignty by just "taking it" and the "trnc" (via Turkey) is no exception. Only recently, Kosovo (via NATO) has gained very limited sovereignty as being a very special case, even though it does not enjoy the support of the UN/EU body. Don't make the mistake in thinking that "Might means Sovereignty". It doesn't.!

We are very patient peopleand Rome was not built in a day, with the current GC mindset and despot attitude they only make our job easier as the world will again at the rend of this year see exactly who are obstructing a solutionand the GCs are not gonna like the outcome, even you will be begging for the AP to come back.

Take your pick, VP.!

No need to share your fairy tales with us.