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[Nikitas]

Whoever originated this rumour of GCs being allowed to return to Famagusta under TC control deserves the prize of the "Earnest Hemingway of bullshit". There is NO WAY the Turks will allow 45000 GCs to establish formal residence in the north.

What status would these 45000 have? As citizens of the RoC which Turkey does not recognise and therefore cannot grant formal resident status to them?

As stateless refugees?

Would they be allowed to elect their own local government? Don't forget that the issue of "separate municipalities" was one of the causes of the 1963 troubles. It would be ironic for the TCs and Turks to refuse this right which they considered the cornerstone of their "struggle".

And how exactly would these 45000 GCs vote in Euroelections and exercise their rights and obligations as EU citizens?

And if the GCs return and once there refuse to recognise the authority of the TRNC what will the Turks do, kick them out and explain their action to the media?

The whole idea is a bird brained invention. It is one of those fireworks that Turks let off to confuse the issue.

Famagusta is a monument to Turkish cynicism and the pimp mentality of the international community. Everyone agrees that the city should be returned to its rightful inhabitants but no one will do the simple things needed to accomplish this.

[shahmaran]

Reh Shah, what you on about when you say these people are allowed to come back if they want.

We saw a couple of weeks ago, the last couple who went to Varosha to visit their homes were kidnapped, hand-cuffed and thrown in to cells.

You should have gone to SpecSavers mate.

Going to the committee dedicated to claim your rights back, is hardly the same as to trespass a military zone, is it now mate?

SpecSavers used to do a buy-one-get-one-free deal, pretty neat!

The Turkish committee has so far returned how many properties to its owners?

Kickback allegations in IPC compensation

By Elias Hazou
Published on August 31, 2010

A GREEK Cypriot refugee awarded compensation by the north’s Immovable Property Commission (IPC) was manipulated into paying back 25 per cent of the amount as a sweetener.
According to Politis, the man reached a settlement with the IPC, under which he was awarded 600,000 pounds sterling. Although the award decision was issued several months ago, it was only a few days ago that the case was closed and the compensation given to the Greek Cypriot applicant.
Initially the man had an arrangement with his Turkish Cypriot lawyer for a fee of five per cent on the value of the compensation.
As time went on and the Greek Cypriot never saw the money, his lawyer advised that the process could be speeded up if the applicant agreed to pay the Turkish ‘embassy’ in the north a hefty commission in order to ‘oil the wheels’.
The man agreed and the lawyer set up the meeting with someone from the Turkish ‘embassy’. According to Politis, it was agreed that the applicant pay the ‘embassy’ 20 per cent of the compensation amount.
The Greek Cypriot wanted a record of the transaction, and at the meeting asked the ‘embassy’ representative for an invoice for the ‘commission fee’. His request was denied.
The man then asked for a day to reconsider, during which time he contacted another Turkish Cypriot lawyer, who nevertheless proposed a similar deal to the first. Pressed for time and money, the applicant threw caution to the wind and agreed to the ‘embassy’s’ terms.
A few days later, said the same report, the Greek Cypriot was notified that his compensation money was ready to collect. The man ended up paying some 150,000 pounds sterling to the various go-betweens: the lawyer and the Turkish ‘embassy’.
Citing its sources, Politis said the Turkish Cypriot lawyer had come up with alternatives for his Greek Cypriot client. One proposal, reportedly, involved the lawyer charging his client a smaller fee, in return for which the Greek Cypriot would undertake to find him two new customers wishing to apply to the IPC.
According to statistics published on the IPC website, so far there have been 175 applications for compensation filed by Greek Cypriot refugees.
Compensation monies are funded by the Turkish government. The IPC was set up in March 2005, after the European Court of Human Rights handed Turkey the task with finding a way of offering redress to Greek Cypriot Myra Xenides-Arestis, who lost her property in Varosha during the 1974 Turkish invasion.
Turkey accepted the challenge and has in turn given the Turkish Cypriot authorities – as its ‘subordinate local authority’ – the task of delivering justice on Greek Cypriot property claims.
In a different case, also reported by Politis, an elderly Greek Cypriot woman applying to the IPC decided to settle for 100,000 pounds sterling, even though the value of her property in the occupied areas was several times greater. She was advised that if she agreed to the above offer, she would not have to wait and would receive the money immediately. The woman, who needed money for surgery, went for the deal. The paper said that delay tactics and the carrot-and-stick approach are used as standard procedure to compel applicants to settle for far less.
Commenting on the Politis story yesterday, AKEL deputy Stavros Evagorou said reports of such abuse were to be expected, given applicants to the IPC had no protection.
“We at AKEL are not in favour of Greek Cypriots taking recourse to commissions controlled by Turkey or the breakaway regime,” he said.
Reports such as these were typical of the commission’s blackmail strategy, he added.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/kickb ... n/20100831

Right, so is it about getting it back, or getting back in the current economic value?

I thought you REALLY wanted it back?

The truth is that none of these can compare to the dirty tricks the RoC pulls, and in reality a lot of people would probably rather take the money than wait for a solution that might never come. And when enough people take it then there wont be anything to bitch about. And then what will you do?

Thank your leaders for always pushing it hoping to wait for a better solution?!

I am sorry but the people up there deciding for the RoC are a bunch of muppets.

[Kikapu]

Reh Shah, what you on about when you say these people are allowed to come back if they want.

We saw a couple of weeks ago, the last couple who went to Varosha to visit their homes were kidnapped, hand-cuffed and thrown in to cells.

You should have gone to SpecSavers mate.

Going to the committee dedicated to claim your rights back, is hardly the same as to trespass a military zone, is it now mate?

SpecSavers used to do a buy-one-get-one-free deal, pretty neat!

The Turkish committee has so far returned how many properties to its owners?

Kickback allegations in IPC compensation

By Elias Hazou
Published on August 31, 2010

A GREEK Cypriot refugee awarded compensation by the north’s Immovable Property Commission (IPC) was manipulated into paying back 25 per cent of the amount as a sweetener.
According to Politis, the man reached a settlement with the IPC, under which he was awarded 600,000 pounds sterling. Although the award decision was issued several months ago, it was only a few days ago that the case was closed and the compensation given to the Greek Cypriot applicant.
Initially the man had an arrangement with his Turkish Cypriot lawyer for a fee of five per cent on the value of the compensation.
As time went on and the Greek Cypriot never saw the money, his lawyer advised that the process could be speeded up if the applicant agreed to pay the Turkish ‘embassy’ in the north a hefty commission in order to ‘oil the wheels’.
The man agreed and the lawyer set up the meeting with someone from the Turkish ‘embassy’. According to Politis, it was agreed that the applicant pay the ‘embassy’ 20 per cent of the compensation amount.
The Greek Cypriot wanted a record of the transaction, and at the meeting asked the ‘embassy’ representative for an invoice for the ‘commission fee’. His request was denied.
The man then asked for a day to reconsider, during which time he contacted another Turkish Cypriot lawyer, who nevertheless proposed a similar deal to the first. Pressed for time and money, the applicant threw caution to the wind and agreed to the ‘embassy’s’ terms.
A few days later, said the same report, the Greek Cypriot was notified that his compensation money was ready to collect. The man ended up paying some 150,000 pounds sterling to the various go-betweens: the lawyer and the Turkish ‘embassy’.
Citing its sources, Politis said the Turkish Cypriot lawyer had come up with alternatives for his Greek Cypriot client. One proposal, reportedly, involved the lawyer charging his client a smaller fee, in return for which the Greek Cypriot would undertake to find him two new customers wishing to apply to the IPC.
According to statistics published on the IPC website, so far there have been 175 applications for compensation filed by Greek Cypriot refugees.
Compensation monies are funded by the Turkish government. The IPC was set up in March 2005, after the European Court of Human Rights handed Turkey the task with finding a way of offering redress to Greek Cypriot Myra Xenides-Arestis, who lost her property in Varosha during the 1974 Turkish invasion.
Turkey accepted the challenge and has in turn given the Turkish Cypriot authorities – as its ‘subordinate local authority’ – the task of delivering justice on Greek Cypriot property claims.
In a different case, also reported by Politis, an elderly Greek Cypriot woman applying to the IPC decided to settle for 100,000 pounds sterling, even though the value of her property in the occupied areas was several times greater. She was advised that if she agreed to the above offer, she would not have to wait and would receive the money immediately. The woman, who needed money for surgery, went for the deal. The paper said that delay tactics and the carrot-and-stick approach are used as standard procedure to compel applicants to settle for far less.
Commenting on the Politis story yesterday, AKEL deputy Stavros Evagorou said reports of such abuse were to be expected, given applicants to the IPC had no protection.
“We at AKEL are not in favour of Greek Cypriots taking recourse to commissions controlled by Turkey or the breakaway regime,” he said.
Reports such as these were typical of the commission’s blackmail strategy, he added.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/kickb ... n/20100831

Right, so is it about getting it back, or getting back in the current economic value?

I thought you REALLY wanted it back?

The truth is that none of these can compare to the dirty tricks the RoC pulls, and in reality a lot of people would probably rather take the money than wait for a solution that might never come. And when enough people take it then there wont be anything to bitch about. And then what will you do?

Thank your leaders for always pushing it hoping to wait for a better solution?!

I am sorry but the people up there deciding for the RoC are a bunch of muppets.

Yeah, in the year 4010, if the present pace is going to be any example to go by.!:lol:

Just how many of the 175 cases has been resolved, I wonder.??

According to statistics published on the IPC website, so far there have been 175 applications for compensation filed by Greek Cypriot refugees.
Compensation monies are funded by the Turkish government. The IPC was set up in March 2005

[shahmaran]

If its all about money, then enough of it would solve it eventually.

What would you rather Kikapu, realistically?

Take whatever you can get, or wait for another 35 years hoping that there MIGHT be a solution, or there might not be.

[Kikapu]

If its all about money, then enough of it would solve it eventually.

What would you rather Kikapu, realistically?

Take whatever you can get, or wait for another 35 years hoping that there MIGHT be a solution, or there might not be.

It is not all about the money though for the GCs, Shah, or else, all the GC refugees would have gone to the IPC already.!

By few GC individuals selling their properties in the north also does not mean that they are selling that part of their country to Turkey. Turkey is buying individuals property and not buying land from the RoC government where those individual properties are located, therefore, whatever land Turkey buys from the GCs individuals, does not mean Turkey owns part of the RoC. Turkey can buy out all of the land that belongs to all the thousands of GC refugees on individual basis, but it does not mean that Turkey has bought part of the RoC territory, therefore they can declare the north as a separate state. It just does not work that way. By Turkey denying to return the land back to it's rightful GC owners in the north directly or through the IPC instead of using "arm twisting" tactics to break the will of some of the GC refugees who may be needy and weak, for them to offer only what ever they can get away with, has not worked and the past 5 years attempts to do so with the IPC is the proof. It seems that the vast majority of the GC refugees are not interested in "selling their country" to Turkey, but instead leave it to their children, since the courts over and over again stated that the refugees remain as the original owners of their properties no matter what shenanigans the north and Turkey may play. Time is not a factor as the owners do not lose their ownerships no matter what, and if the north wants a settlement and Turkey wants to be in the EU way down the road, the rights off all the refugees will need to be respected one way or another, unless of course, the GCs accept another version of the Annan Plan under a different name. Somehow, I do not think they will.!

[shahmaran]

Well the IPC has not been around for that long, it will catch on.

I appreciate your optimism as always, even regarding the GC's whom you believe would not sell their country, but I believe a lot of them would be after money, just like any other human being.

When you buy a house, do you not own the land as well?

How does that work?

It is not about "another state", it is about one less bargaining chip for the GC's to shove in our faces every time, in order to try and get us to join their true little ethnocracy.

[TC666]

You Greek Cypriots are as stupid as you look. You have been offered it ten thousand times and you turned down fifty thousand times.

You are being offered it now for a straight exchange and you are refusing it but you want it for nothing at the same time.

Here's the deal. Varosha for direct trade and flights. Take it or leave it. We will have direct flights sooner or later and you will end up with nothing.

Beggar’s belief, you people have no idea.

[Get Real!]

You Greek Cypriots are as stupid as you look. You have been offered it ten thousand times and you turned down fifty thousand times.

You are being offered it now for a straight exchange and you are refusing it but you want it for nothing at the same time.

Here's the deal. Varosha for direct trade and flights. Take it or leave it. We will have direct flights sooner or later and you will end up with nothing.

Beggar’s belief, you people have no idea.

Stupid is he who is uneducated!

The ENTIRE illegally occupied territory of Cyprus belongs to Cyprus and not just this one town…

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

UN RESOLUTION 550 (1984)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr550.htm

No deals with blackmailing criminals!

[Get Real!]

We will have direct flights sooner or later and you will end up with nothing.

If that were the case you wouldn't be "offering" anything today!

Now beat it Ottoman nincompoop!

[Kikapu]

Well the IPC has not been around for that long, it will catch on.

I appreciate your optimism as always, even regarding the GC's whom you believe would not sell their country, but I believe a lot of them would be after money, just like any other human being.

When you buy a house, do you not own the land as well?

How does that work?

It is not about "another state", it is about one less bargaining chip for the GC's to shove in our faces every time, in order to try and get us to join their true little ethnocracy.

Sometimes, and sometimes you only lease it. Most of the times, you have ZERO mineral rights, even if you did own the land, just as you can't build anything you want on it without the approval of the local government. One may own a piece of land, but that ownership does not give the rights to call it another country from the one it already belongs to. Only a country itself can sell part of it's territory to another and not individuals selling their land to another buyer.!