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[Oracle]

The only thing "far fetched" for you is Democracy.

Currently I live in a democracy where I do not have to fear being constantly voted off by racist GC's.

For me, this is as good as it gets.

You on the other hand, might think that throwing fellow Cypriots out of the government with threats, might be "real democracy".

I would not find it surprising, Hitler followed the same path.

To you, Hitler worked towards a "democracy" by excluding groups. To you, the Apartheid in South Africa discriminating against natives, was a "democracy".

As I said, the only thing "far fetched" for you, is Democracy!

No, Hitler eliminated all opposition in his little "democratic" world, as you did once you trashed the constitution.

Au contraire. Hitler was following the great Turkish examples of ethnic cleansing ... Started by Turks and maintained to this day on our island by Turks!

Apartheid is a bad example because no one is discriminating against the natives. We both have our democracies and everyone can choose to live wherever they want. Unless of course, you think that you are more "native" than I am. (and I know you do)

How is your democracy different to mine?

Apartheid and discrimination against the natives is exactly what you are doing as well as going one step further than the White Fascist Supremacists did in South Africa. You are totally erasing thousands of years of cultural heritage. You are stealing the properties of thousands of GCs precisely because they are NOT Turkish.

What kind of "democracy" are you setting up on land which belongs, DEMOCRATICALLY, to others?

[Viewpoint]

Reh Shah, what you on about when you say these people are allowed to come back if they want.

We saw a couple of weeks ago, the last couple who went to Varosha to visit their homes were kidnapped, hand-cuffed and thrown in to cells.

You should have gone to SpecSavers mate.

They did not go through the IPC just live we have to reside in the south for 6 months and then appeal to GC courts.

[Oracle]

That's total rubbish. You just have to provide evidence you are the rightful owners so that the RoC doesn't accidentally return it to the wrong owner.

It's called careful management. Ever heard of it?

[shahmaran]

Reh Shah, what you on about when you say these people are allowed to come back if they want.

We saw a couple of weeks ago, the last couple who went to Varosha to visit their homes were kidnapped, hand-cuffed and thrown in to cells.

You should have gone to SpecSavers mate.

Going to the committee dedicated to claim your rights back, is hardly the same as to trespass a military zone, is it now mate?

SpecSavers used to do a buy-one-get-one-free deal, pretty neat!

[shahmaran]

The only thing "far fetched" for you is Democracy.

Currently I live in a democracy where I do not have to fear being constantly voted off by racist GC's.

For me, this is as good as it gets.

You on the other hand, might think that throwing fellow Cypriots out of the government with threats, might be "real democracy".

I would not find it surprising, Hitler followed the same path.

To you, Hitler worked towards a "democracy" by excluding groups. To you, the Apartheid in South Africa discriminating against natives, was a "democracy".

As I said, the only thing "far fetched" for you, is Democracy!

No, Hitler eliminated all opposition in his little "democratic" world, as you did once you trashed the constitution.

Au contraire. Hitler was following the great Turkish examples of ethnic cleansing ... Started by Turks and maintained to this day on our island by Turks!

Apartheid is a bad example because no one is discriminating against the natives. We both have our democracies and everyone can choose to live wherever they want. Unless of course, you think that you are more "native" than I am. (and I know you do)

How is your democracy different to mine?

Apartheid and discrimination against the natives is exactly what you are doing as well as going one step further than the White Fascist Supremacists did in South Africa. You are totally erasing thousands of years of cultural heritage. You are stealing the properties of thousands of GCs precisely because they are NOT Turkish.

What kind of "democracy" are you setting up on land which belongs, DEMOCRATICALLY, to others?

Come on Oracle, don't use Chinese whispers as an argument!

Hitler was the master of manipulation, if you ask him, the theory of Evolution somehow can be interpreted as making soap out of Jews, and the right for self determination, means making the German race the rulers of the planet.

Hitler could not ever do what Atatürk did, they were not even after the same thing.

Millions waking up from the great Ottoman sleep.

Turks gave up an Empire in the hope for becoming a modern democratic state, Hitler was trying to build one!

When you say White Fascist Supremacist, are you referring to the people who kicked us out of the government in order to create their little ethnocracy?

Surely, you must be joking, maybe its getting late for you.

[Oracle]

Turks gave up an Empire in the hope for becoming a modern democratic state, Hitler was trying to build one!

"Gave up"?

Considering you hold the record for Genocides, ethnic cleansing and Expansionism, I would say you have surpassed Hitler!

[shahmaran]

Turks gave up an Empire in the hope for becoming a modern democratic state, Hitler was trying to build one!

"Gave up"?

Considering you hold the record for Genocides, ethnic cleansing and Expansionism, I would say you have surpassed Hitler!

Yes gave up.

They fought the Empire who had become British puppets.

Read some real history Oracle, obviously your racism is rooted to your ignorance.

[DT.]

Reh Shah, what you on about when you say these people are allowed to come back if they want.

We saw a couple of weeks ago, the last couple who went to Varosha to visit their homes were kidnapped, hand-cuffed and thrown in to cells.

You should have gone to SpecSavers mate.

Going to the committee dedicated to claim your rights back, is hardly the same as to trespass a military zone, is it now mate?

SpecSavers used to do a buy-one-get-one-free deal, pretty neat!

The Turkish committee has so far returned how many properties to its owners?

[Kikapu]

Reh Shah, what you on about when you say these people are allowed to come back if they want.

We saw a couple of weeks ago, the last couple who went to Varosha to visit their homes were kidnapped, hand-cuffed and thrown in to cells.

You should have gone to SpecSavers mate.

Going to the committee dedicated to claim your rights back, is hardly the same as to trespass a military zone, is it now mate?

SpecSavers used to do a buy-one-get-one-free deal, pretty neat!

The Turkish committee has so far returned how many properties to its owners?

Kickback allegations in IPC compensation

By Elias Hazou
Published on August 31, 2010

A GREEK Cypriot refugee awarded compensation by the north’s Immovable Property Commission (IPC) was manipulated into paying back 25 per cent of the amount as a sweetener.
According to Politis, the man reached a settlement with the IPC, under which he was awarded 600,000 pounds sterling. Although the award decision was issued several months ago, it was only a few days ago that the case was closed and the compensation given to the Greek Cypriot applicant.
Initially the man had an arrangement with his Turkish Cypriot lawyer for a fee of five per cent on the value of the compensation.
As time went on and the Greek Cypriot never saw the money, his lawyer advised that the process could be speeded up if the applicant agreed to pay the Turkish ‘embassy’ in the north a hefty commission in order to ‘oil the wheels’.
The man agreed and the lawyer set up the meeting with someone from the Turkish ‘embassy’. According to Politis, it was agreed that the applicant pay the ‘embassy’ 20 per cent of the compensation amount.
The Greek Cypriot wanted a record of the transaction, and at the meeting asked the ‘embassy’ representative for an invoice for the ‘commission fee’. His request was denied.
The man then asked for a day to reconsider, during which time he contacted another Turkish Cypriot lawyer, who nevertheless proposed a similar deal to the first. Pressed for time and money, the applicant threw caution to the wind and agreed to the ‘embassy’s’ terms.
A few days later, said the same report, the Greek Cypriot was notified that his compensation money was ready to collect. The man ended up paying some 150,000 pounds sterling to the various go-betweens: the lawyer and the Turkish ‘embassy’.
Citing its sources, Politis said the Turkish Cypriot lawyer had come up with alternatives for his Greek Cypriot client. One proposal, reportedly, involved the lawyer charging his client a smaller fee, in return for which the Greek Cypriot would undertake to find him two new customers wishing to apply to the IPC.
According to statistics published on the IPC website, so far there have been 175 applications for compensation filed by Greek Cypriot refugees.
Compensation monies are funded by the Turkish government. The IPC was set up in March 2005, after the European Court of Human Rights handed Turkey the task with finding a way of offering redress to Greek Cypriot Myra Xenides-Arestis, who lost her property in Varosha during the 1974 Turkish invasion.
Turkey accepted the challenge and has in turn given the Turkish Cypriot authorities – as its ‘subordinate local authority’ – the task of delivering justice on Greek Cypriot property claims.
In a different case, also reported by Politis, an elderly Greek Cypriot woman applying to the IPC decided to settle for 100,000 pounds sterling, even though the value of her property in the occupied areas was several times greater. She was advised that if she agreed to the above offer, she would not have to wait and would receive the money immediately. The woman, who needed money for surgery, went for the deal. The paper said that delay tactics and the carrot-and-stick approach are used as standard procedure to compel applicants to settle for far less.
Commenting on the Politis story yesterday, AKEL deputy Stavros Evagorou said reports of such abuse were to be expected, given applicants to the IPC had no protection.
“We at AKEL are not in favour of Greek Cypriots taking recourse to commissions controlled by Turkey or the breakaway regime,” he said.
Reports such as these were typical of the commission’s blackmail strategy, he added.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/kickb ... n/20100831

[EPSILON]

That's total rubbish. You just have to provide evidence you are the rightful owners so that the RoC doesn't accidentally return it to the wrong owner.

It's called careful management. Ever heard of it?

They are the owners!they are the occupation force.Iaf you occupate something you do what ever you wish with it. Occupation must be ended not the ownership of Famaguasta which never changed.
Now ending occupation is something which must be achieved if we (G/Cs) want to decide about our houses and properties.Even a CB solution which includes even small pieces of power to the occupator does not solve this certain problem. Either we accept the occupation and its law or we stop negotiating anything else but the total end of its appearance in the Island. No partly solutions can give an end to trhe CB.It will be appear again very soon. Pesronally i believe that we must not accept any discussion on Famagusta unless the city will be under the full control of its citizens including legal/police/education and public affairs.Anything else is just a move to chaos.