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Postby Get Real! » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:24 pm

insan wrote:
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insan wrote:... another illegal activity of UN is to recognize the GC administration as the sole representative of the RoC in order to exploit Greece's strategic status more and more...

It's not the UN's job to chase after "Turkish Cypriots" who saw fit to abandon their posts [size=9]


Well... at that point the stupid TC leadership couldn't get aware of that according to the AKRITAS plan they would have been presented to the world as if they abandoned their posts...

Had TCs had a better team AKRITAS(masters of arts and wiles of politics); the Cyprus problem would have been history very long ago... The result would have either been a united Cyprus where TCs and GCs had political equality as 2 communities or partition where the 2 communities lived as 2 allied neighbours...

Are you denying that Turkey had ordered the TMT to ensure that “Turkish Cypriots” break away from Greek Cypriots, in government, employment, and every other mixed activity, and seek “refuge” in specially setup TC enclaves?


Ismet Inönü, then the PM of Turkey said the otherwise in his letter...

The TC reaction against the 13 amendments of Makarios that were obviously an attempt to degrade TCs into something they had never wished and struggled/fought against; was a resentment and opened the old wounds still bleeding since the late 50s...

What if TCs hadn't abandoned their posts at all costs? Politically, it would have been the right step to show the whole world that what TCs wanted was a united RoC where TCs have had the political equality as a community....

... but under then the circumstances that nationalism and illiteracy were the driving force of TC leadership; they couldn't manage to play the game according to the correct rules... On the other hand; team AKRITAS played the game better than TC leadership and succeeded to create an impression that TCs abandoned their posts out of the blue as if the intention of GC leadership was not degrading TCs into a ineffective minority status and achieve Enosis...

That's not an answer to my question but a load of baloney. Here's the answer...

In 1965 the Secretary-General of the UN summed up the official Turkish Cypriot policy with this paragraph:

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots" (S/6426).


NB: UN document S/6426 is available upon request.
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Postby insan » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:35 pm

Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:... another illegal activity of UN is to recognize the GC administration as the sole representative of the RoC in order to exploit Greece's strategic status more and more...

It's not the UN's job to chase after "Turkish Cypriots" who saw fit to abandon their posts [size=9]


Well... at that point the stupid TC leadership couldn't get aware of that according to the AKRITAS plan they would have been presented to the world as if they abandoned their posts...

Had TCs had a better team AKRITAS(masters of arts and wiles of politics); the Cyprus problem would have been history very long ago... The result would have either been a united Cyprus where TCs and GCs had political equality as 2 communities or partition where the 2 communities lived as 2 allied neighbours...

Are you denying that Turkey had ordered the TMT to ensure that “Turkish Cypriots” break away from Greek Cypriots, in government, employment, and every other mixed activity, and seek “refuge” in specially setup TC enclaves?


Ismet Inönü, then the PM of Turkey said the otherwise in his letter...

The TC reaction against the 13 amendments of Makarios that were obviously an attempt to degrade TCs into something they had never wished and struggled/fought against; was a resentment and opened the old wounds still bleeding since the late 50s...

What if TCs hadn't abandoned their posts at all costs? Politically, it would have been the right step to show the whole world that what TCs wanted was a united RoC where TCs have had the political equality as a community....

... but under then the circumstances that nationalism and illiteracy were the driving force of TC leadership; they couldn't manage to play the game according to the correct rules... On the other hand; team AKRITAS played the game better than TC leadership and succeeded to create an impression that TCs abandoned their posts out of the blue as if the intention of GC leadership was not degrading TCs into a ineffective minority status and achieve Enosis...

That's not an answer to my question but a load of baloney. Here's the answer...

In 1965 the Secretary-General of the UN summed up the official Turkish Cypriot policy with this paragraph:

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots" (S/6426).


NB: UN document S/6426 is available upon request.


REPORT SUBMITTED BY CYPRUS - RECENT POLITICAL HISTORY AND DEVELOPMENTS


What a credible source indeed! Let me select the parts from the same report that critisize GC administration and sum it up something that favours TC administration.... :lol: Poor GR! You have no legs to stand on but hug the dirty stick extended to you by the team AKRITAS!
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:23 pm

insan wrote:
REPORT SUBMITTED BY CYPRUS - RECENT POLITICAL HISTORY AND DEVELOPMENTS


What a credible source indeed! Let me select the parts from the same report that critisize GC administration and sum it up something that favours TC administration.... :lol: Poor GR! You have no legs to stand on but hug the dirty stick extended to you by the team AKRITAS!

Don't make a fool of yourself Insan, because UN document S/6426 is NOT a report submitted by Cyprus! What you're talking about is this...

http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/0/a99f ... endocument

...but this is NOT S/6426! It just makes reference to S/6426 but I've got the real thing! :wink:

That's why I said...

NB: UN document S/6426 is available upon request.
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Postby insan » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:10 pm

Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
REPORT SUBMITTED BY CYPRUS - RECENT POLITICAL HISTORY AND DEVELOPMENTS


What a credible source indeed! Let me select the parts from the same report that critisize GC administration and sum it up something that favours TC administration.... :lol: Poor GR! You have no legs to stand on but hug the dirty stick extended to you by the team AKRITAS!

Don't make a fool of yourself Insan, because UN document S/6426 is NOT a report submitted by Cyprus! What you're talking about is this...

http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/0/a99f ... endocument

...but this is NOT S/6426! It just makes reference to S/6426 but I've got the real thing! :wink:

That's why I said...

NB: UN document S/6426 is available upon request.


Ok GR put the original full Galo Plaza report in front of us and let us examine it... I couldn't find an official online version of the full report... :wink:

Oddly enough, you still are not aware of that a TC community degraded into an ineffective minority status in the 60s or afterwards at least up until mid 70s would have led the abolishment of RoC and annexation of Cyprus with Greece... and today you would have been living in a Cyprus that was a Greek island just like Crete...
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:27 pm

Luckily, Erol has it online here in sections...

http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/cms_articles.php?cid=6

The relevant section is paragraph 106 to be found in part 4.
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Postby Vincehugo » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:18 pm

Get Real! wrote:Luckily, Erol has it online here in sections...

http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/cms_articles.php?cid=6

The relevant section is paragraph 106 to be found in part 4.


Did you read the bit in paragraph 115 too?

"It is, of course, difficult for UNFICYP to
determine to what extend the Turkish self-segregation policy (see
S/6228, paras. 53-57) is the result of "strong-arm" tactics by
the leadership (as contended by the Government), or of the
genuine fears of Turkish Cypriots for their safety.
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Postby Oracle » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:51 pm

Vincehugo wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Luckily, Erol has it online here in sections...

http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/cms_articles.php?cid=6

The relevant section is paragraph 106 to be found in part 4.


Did you read the bit in paragraph 115 too?

"It is, of course, difficult for UNFICYP to
determine to what extend the Turkish self-segregation policy (see
S/6228, paras. 53-57) is the result of "strong-arm" tactics by
the leadership (as contended by the Government), or of the
genuine fears of Turkish Cypriots for their safety.


That reads like the UN had serious doubts there was any evidence to warrant "genuine fears". The self-segregation policy, at least, was shown to be from the undeniable "strong arm" tactics of TC leadership.
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Postby Vincehugo » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:34 pm

Oracle wrote:
Vincehugo wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Luckily, Erol has it online here in sections...

http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/cms_articles.php?cid=6

The relevant section is paragraph 106 to be found in part 4.


Did you read the bit in paragraph 115 too?

"It is, of course, difficult for UNFICYP to
determine to what extend the Turkish self-segregation policy (see
S/6228, paras. 53-57) is the result of "strong-arm" tactics by
the leadership (as contended by the Government), or of the
genuine fears of Turkish Cypriots for their safety.


That reads like the UN had serious doubts there was any evidence to warrant "genuine fears". The self-segregation policy, at least, was shown to be from the undeniable "strong arm" tactics of TC leadership.


Oracle, you are unbelieveable. How on earth can you reach that conclusion from this paragraph?
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Postby shahmaran » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:05 pm

Vincehugo wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Vincehugo wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Luckily, Erol has it online here in sections...

http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/cms_articles.php?cid=6

The relevant section is paragraph 106 to be found in part 4.


Did you read the bit in paragraph 115 too?

"It is, of course, difficult for UNFICYP to
determine to what extend the Turkish self-segregation policy (see
S/6228, paras. 53-57) is the result of "strong-arm" tactics by
the leadership (as contended by the Government), or of the
genuine fears of Turkish Cypriots for their safety.


That reads like the UN had serious doubts there was any evidence to warrant "genuine fears". The self-segregation policy, at least, was shown to be from the undeniable "strong arm" tactics of TC leadership.


Oracle, you are unbelieveable. How on earth can you reach that conclusion from this paragraph?


Oracle has that ability, its amazing.

When you are desperate for something, you start seeing it everywhere.

Kind of like a hallucination :lol:
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Postby insan » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:17 pm

Here is an unbiased, elaborated summary of the 1965 report of Galo Plaza(official GC source) which followed it the "Acheson Plan"...

PDF version:

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.ns ... ort%20(Sum).pdf

HTML version with keywords highlighted from google cache:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... l=tr&gl=tr


it really sheds a great light on what was really going on... The original G Plaza report is 66 pages... what was posted on talkcyprus forum hardly totals to 20 pages...
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