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[miltiades]

Perhaps Zan can tell us why he considers that the RoC warrants inverted commas , does he perhaps consider that the true ....republic is the pseudo state which NO NATION ON EARTH recognizes ? Is he in a deep dream or more likely does he live in a fools paradise.
There is nothing about the only republic universally recognized that warrants inverted commas , but there again our Zan refers to my company as a....kafenio !!! Indicative of his logical approach to things.!!!!

[Paphitis]

Perhaps Zan can tell us why he considers that the RoC warrants inverted commas , does he perhaps consider that the true ....republic is the pseudo state which NO NATION ON EARTH recognizes ? Is he in a deep dream or more likely does he live in a fools paradise.
There is nothing about the only republic universally recognized that warrants inverted commas , but there again our Zan refers to my company as a....kafenio !!! Indicative of his logical approach to things.!!!!

Zan smokes Anatolian Wacky Backy!

Soon, he will swear black and blue, that pigs can actually fly just like he did in another thread where he was found to be legless!

[Murataga]

Perhaps Zan can tell us why he considers that the RoC warrants inverted commas , does he perhaps consider that the true ....republic is the pseudo state which NO NATION ON EARTH recognizes ? Is he in a deep dream or more likely does he live in a fools paradise.
There is nothing about the only republic universally recognized that warrants inverted commas , but there again our Zan refers to my company as a....kafenio !!! Indicative of his logical approach to things.!!!!

Let me try to help you understand...

This is RoC:

From the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus

PART I. ­ GENERAL PROVISIONS
ARTICLE 1

The State of Cyprus is an independent and sovereign Republic with a presidential regime, the President being Greek and the Vice­President being Turk elected by the Greek and the Turkish Communities of Cyprus respectively as hereinafter in this Constitution provided.

This is "RoC":

From UN Doc. S/6569, Paras. 7-11

11. During the afternoon, the Turkish Cypriot members visited the President of the House, who reiterated the substance of the points set forth in paragraph 8 above. He made it plain that, unless agreement was reached on these matters, he would not permit the Turkish Cypriot members to attend the House. Mr. Clerides also stated that the constitutional provisions concerning promulgation of the laws by the President and the Vice-President were no longer applicable. He subsequently stated that in his opinion the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House.

Never forget miltiades: A half truth is a whole lie.

[DT.]

Perhaps Zan can tell us why he considers that the RoC warrants inverted commas , does he perhaps consider that the true ....republic is the pseudo state which NO NATION ON EARTH recognizes ? Is he in a deep dream or more likely does he live in a fools paradise.
There is nothing about the only republic universally recognized that warrants inverted commas , but there again our Zan refers to my company as a....kafenio !!! Indicative of his logical approach to things.!!!!

Let me try to help you understand...

This is RoC:

From the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus

PART I. ­ GENERAL PROVISIONS
ARTICLE 1

The State of Cyprus is an independent and sovereign Republic with a presidential regime, the President being Greek and the Vice­President being Turk elected by the Greek and the Turkish Communities of Cyprus respectively as hereinafter in this Constitution provided.

This is "RoC":

From UN Doc. S/6569, Paras. 7-11

11. During the afternoon, the Turkish Cypriot members visited the President of the House, who reiterated the substance of the points set forth in paragraph 8 above. He made it plain that, unless agreement was reached on these matters, he would not permit the Turkish Cypriot members to attend the House. Mr. Clerides also stated that the constitutional provisions concerning promulgation of the laws by the President and the Vice-President were no longer applicable. He subsequently stated that in his opinion the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House.

Never forget miltiades: A half truth is a whole lie.

You didn't finish the report. Clerides asked that the TC's return permanently and not just for that meeting , he also asked that the TC's would accept that the laws enacted in the house of representatives would be applied to the whole of Cyprus as per the consitution.

Why should members of parliament be accepted into parliament when they cannot follow their own constitution?

[Oracle]

Oh yes, all around us there are still signs of the Turk-TCs' experiment; but the signs all spell out a resounding failure in achievement!

They have failed at destroying the RoC; and now they are, themselves, struggling for survival.

[EPSILON]

Perhaps Zan can tell us why he considers that the RoC warrants inverted commas , does he perhaps consider that the true ....republic is the pseudo state which NO NATION ON EARTH recognizes ? Is he in a deep dream or more likely does he live in a fools paradise.
There is nothing about the only republic universally recognized that warrants inverted commas , but there again our Zan refers to my company as a....kafenio !!! Indicative of his logical approach to things.!!!!

Let me try to help you understand...

This is RoC:

From the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus

PART I. ­ GENERAL PROVISIONS
ARTICLE 1

The State of Cyprus is an independent and sovereign Republic with a presidential regime, the President being Greek and the Vice­President being Turk elected by the Greek and the Turkish Communities of Cyprus respectively as hereinafter in this Constitution provided.

This is "RoC":

From UN Doc. S/6569, Paras. 7-11

11. During the afternoon, the Turkish Cypriot members visited the President of the House, who reiterated the substance of the points set forth in paragraph 8 above. He made it plain that, unless agreement was reached on these matters, he would not permit the Turkish Cypriot members to attend the House. Mr. Clerides also stated that the constitutional provisions concerning promulgation of the laws by the President and the Vice-President were no longer applicable. He subsequently stated that in his opinion the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House.

Never forget miltiades: A half truth is a whole lie.

You didn't finish the report. Clerides asked that the TC's return permanently and not just for that meeting , he also asked that the TC's would accept that the laws enacted in the house of representatives would be applied to the whole of Cyprus as per the consitution.

Why should members of parliament be accepted into parliament when they cannot follow their own constitution?

New suggestion for CB solution: Only Greek Cypriots politicians to be elected in North and only Turkish Cypriots politicians in South- Populations to remain as today!!!

[Get Real!]

And don't you ever forget that Murataga...

"...the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House"

Why you may ask?

Because agreements were abandoned, illegalities declared, and bridges permanently burnt!

[Murataga]

Perhaps Zan can tell us why he considers that the RoC warrants inverted commas , does he perhaps consider that the true ....republic is the pseudo state which NO NATION ON EARTH recognizes ? Is he in a deep dream or more likely does he live in a fools paradise.
There is nothing about the only republic universally recognized that warrants inverted commas , but there again our Zan refers to my company as a....kafenio !!! Indicative of his logical approach to things.!!!!

Let me try to help you understand...

This is RoC:

From the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus

PART I. ­ GENERAL PROVISIONS
ARTICLE 1

The State of Cyprus is an independent and sovereign Republic with a presidential regime, the President being Greek and the Vice­President being Turk elected by the Greek and the Turkish Communities of Cyprus respectively as hereinafter in this Constitution provided.

This is "RoC":

From UN Doc. S/6569, Paras. 7-11

11. During the afternoon, the Turkish Cypriot members visited the President of the House, who reiterated the substance of the points set forth in paragraph 8 above. He made it plain that, unless agreement was reached on these matters, he would not permit the Turkish Cypriot members to attend the House. Mr. Clerides also stated that the constitutional provisions concerning promulgation of the laws by the President and the Vice-President were no longer applicable. He subsequently stated that in his opinion the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House.

Never forget miltiades: A half truth is a whole lie.

You didn't finish the report. Clerides asked that the TC's return permanently and not just for that meeting , he also asked that the TC's would accept that the laws enacted in the house of representatives would be applied to the whole of Cyprus as per the consitution.

Why should members of parliament be accepted into parliament when they cannot follow their own constitution?

No, not really. GCs abolished Article 78 (separate majorities) on their own and made it a pre-condition that the TC side accept it if they want to attend the House. Under the constitution, only the President and Vice-President jointly could challenge the constitutionality of a law. When the TCs brought this point forward Clerides stated that the constitutional provisions concerning promulgation of the laws by the President and the Vice-President were no longer applicable. He subsequently stated that in his opinion the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House. Here it is for your reading pleasure.

From UN Doc. S/6569, Paras. 7-11

7. The Turkish Cypriot members requested UNIFCYP to extend its good offices to enable them to receive information about time of meeting of the House, and to make arrangements for the Turkish Cypriot members to attend such meetings in safety. They specified that, if officially invited and notified about matters to be concerned, as required by the constitution, they would be prepared to attendParliament on all questions, not only the two bills now pending.

8. The special Representative conveyed this position to Mr. Clerides, the President of the House of Representatives, who stated that the Turkish Cypriot members could attend provided agreement were reached beforehand on the following points:

(a) the Turkish Cypriot members would resume permanently rather than only for the purpose of the present debate;

(b) The Turkish Cypriot members would accept that the laws enacted by the House of Representatives would be applied to the whole of Cyprus, including the Turkish areas, by the Government using the normal authorized administrative organs;

(c) While the Greek Cypriot members would regard attendance at the House by the Turkish Cypriot members as implying recognition by them of the present Cyprus Government, the Turkish Cypriot members would not be called upon to make a statement to that effect, and the Greek Cypriots would likewise refrain from making any such statements on the record of the House;

(d) It must be understood that the provision in Article article 78 of the constitution concerning separate majorities had been abolished and every member of the House would have one vote for all decisions.

9. Mr. Clerides informed UNIFCYP that he was prepared to discuss the situation during the afternoon of 22 July with a group of Turkish Cypriot members of the House. He subsequently indicated, however, that he would not receive this delegation if they came escorted by UIFCYP soldiers, though he would not object to their being brought to his office in an UNIFCYP automobile driven by an UNIFCYP employee. Finally, Mr. Clerides stated that unless the Turkish Cypriot members accepted the conditions laid down by him, he found it pointless to supply them copies of the pending bills.

10. The Special Representative transmitted the position of the President of the House to Vice-President Kuchuk and to certain Turkish Cypriot members of the House. The Turkish Cypriots considered that the conditions laid down by Mr. Clerides would eliminate the constitutional rights of the Turkish Cypriot members and of their community. They emphasized in particular that, under the constitution, only the President and Vice-President jointly challenge the constitutionality of a law (article 140). In the case of legislation designed contrary to the interests of his community, the Vice-President was entitled to institute action (article 141). However, since the government had stated that it no longer recognized Dr. Kuchuk in his capacity as Vice-President, this latter provision of the constitution was inapplicable in practice.

11. During the afternoon, the Turkish Cypriot members visited the President of the House, who reiterated the substance of the points set forth in paragraph 8 above. He made it plain that, unless agreement was reached on these matters, he would not permit the Turkish Cypriot members to attend the House. Mr. Clerides also stated that the constitutional provisions concerning promulgation of the laws by the President and the Vice-President were no longer applicable. He subsequently stated that in his opinion the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House.

[Murataga]

And don't you ever forget that Murataga...

"...the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House"

Why you may ask?

Because agreements were abandoned, illegalities declared, and bridges permanently burnt!

They had no legal standing according to you because they refused to accept what you ordered them to accept.

[EPSILON]

And don't you ever forget that Murataga...

"...the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House"

Why you may ask?

Because agreements were abandoned, illegalities declared, and bridges permanently burnt!

They had no legal standing according to you because they refused to accept what you ordered them to accept.

was what we "ordered" them voted and applied? or they just left by orders of TMT before any discusion be made?